Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread >Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Pakistan Wants Trump to Pay for Their Wall

Zen Peach





Posts: 18884
(19350 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 04:11 PM
$532 Million Dollars


Pakistan is building a fence along its border with Afghanistan, and it wants Donald Trump to pay for it – or at least some of it.

The 1,800-mile barrier being constructed will help end “the prolonged agony” of the Afghan war and reduce terrorism inside Pakistan, said Nasir Khan Janjua, the national security adviser to Shahid Khaqan Abbasi, the prime minister.

Janjua said that Pakistan would like the US president to pay for the barrier – or at least the Afghan side – arguing that the $532m (£378m) price tag will be a lot cheaper than the $45bn annual estimated cost of the Afghan war. In a bunker at the headquarters of the army’s 7th Infantry Division, Col Wasi Uddin said 11,136 border posts and 443 forts are being installed on the Pakistani side – seven times more than on the Afghan side.

Uddin said Pakistan planned to complete the fence by 2019, apart from a section in the extreme north of the country. The border will be fitted with underground movement sensors and a network of CCTV cameras, Uddin said.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/feb/15/pakistan-asks-trump-to-help-f und-border-fence-with-afghanistan

Remarks: We should pay for Pakistan's wall against Afghanistan. Pakistan will have it's own problems with it's own people. Last week, Sayed Khan, the successor to Hakimullah Mehsud of the Pakistani Taliban was killed in a US drone strike. They have vowed a revolution. The TTP is with the Pakistani Zindabad (which they affectionately refer to the army as - part of the army loves them, the other part doesn't). Zindabad is actually Pakistani nationalism. They want their own sovereign state. They felt that Maulana Fazluzllah in Afghanistan was with the Afghan Intelligence and US forces who they feel is protecting Isis and wants to destabilize both their country and Afghanistan. The Afghan Taliban are not aligned with any of these groups. So should we build a wall for Pakistan? There are heavy tribal politics in both countries, things the US does not know nor understand.

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/13/world/asia/pakistan-taliban-commander.ht ml

The Pakistanis can build an 1800 mile long fence by 2019. It will not be as grand as our vision for the wall with Mexico, but they already have planned to do that.



[Edited on 2/17/2018 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
Replies:

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8992
(9017 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 08:33 PM
quote:
things the US does not know nor understand


Yeah, Pakistan can go get **** ed.

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3780
(3778 all sites)
Registered: 8/26/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 08:41 PM
Maybe they can get Mexico to pay for it.
 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3492
(3498 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 08:41 PM
Pakistan wants Trump to pay for their wall, and Trump says Mexico will pay for his wall. All just crazy talk. And then there was Trump relentlessly campaigning that Mexico would pay for his wall, but he wants the American taxpayers to pay for it now. Why does he no longer mention this nor does the GOP Congress? So the campaigning on that issue was for fun and grins?
 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5216
(5215 all sites)
Registered: 4/18/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 09:03 PM
quote:
Pakistan wants Trump to pay for their wall, and Trump says Mexico will pay for his wall. All just crazy talk. And then there was Trump relentlessly campaigning that Mexico would pay for his wall, but he wants the American taxpayers to pay for it now. Why does he no longer mention this nor does the GOP Congress? So the campaigning on that issue was for fun and grins?


Something along the lines of "you can keep your plan", "you can keep your doctor", etc, etc, etc---

 

____________________
All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copyrighted by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywriter.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3492
(3498 all sites)
Registered: 10/5/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 09:10 PM
quote:
quote:
Pakistan wants Trump to pay for their wall, and Trump says Mexico will pay for his wall. All just crazy talk. And then there was Trump relentlessly campaigning that Mexico would pay for his wall, but he wants the American taxpayers to pay for it now. Why does he no longer mention this nor does the GOP Congress? So the campaigning on that issue was for fun and grins?


Something along the lines of "you can keep your plan", "you can keep your doctor", etc, etc, etc---


Can you keep it current, or would you like to discuss the successes of Trump's healthcare plans / legislation?

Trump went from city to city to city bragging about Mexico paying for the wall. As a supporter of his, maybe you can explain why he rarely mentions it anymore. Do you think the American taxpayers should pay for a wall?

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5216
(5215 all sites)
Registered: 4/18/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/15/2018 at 09:19 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Pakistan wants Trump to pay for their wall, and Trump says Mexico will pay for his wall. All just crazy talk. And then there was Trump relentlessly campaigning that Mexico would pay for his wall, but he wants the American taxpayers to pay for it now. Why does he no longer mention this nor does the GOP Congress? So the campaigning on that issue was for fun and grins?


Something along the lines of "you can keep your plan", "you can keep your doctor", etc, etc, etc---


Can you keep it current, or would you like to discuss the successes of Trump's healthcare plans / legislation?

Trump went from city to city to city bragging about Mexico paying for the wall. As a supporter of his, maybe you can explain why he rarely mentions it anymore. Do you think the American taxpayers should pay for a wall?


So you don't think it follows the same pattern?

 

____________________
All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copyrighted by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywriter.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18884
(19350 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/18/2018 at 03:04 PM
quote:
Maybe they can get Mexico to pay for it.


There are a few things that get me. One is the cost of the idea that the cost of the wall would be cheaper than what we are paying annually for the Afghan war. That one is staggering money wise. $532 million a one time fee versus $45 billion annual expditure for the ongoing Afghan War.

The second thing is what that wall would do, besides stopping the crossings between Afghanistan and Pakistan of the fighters (and let's not be naïve here, the fighters from ALL the groups go back and forth even the Afghan Taliban), what the wall would do yes it would keep out fighters coming FROM Afghanistan, but it would also keep Pakistani fighters IN Pakistan.

Will that solve Pakistan's problems, having native born Pakistanis who happen to be fighters, Taliban and others stuck in their own country?

My opinion is Pakistan gets along with them. They really did not have a problem till we sent our drones there picking off Commanders from the Pakistani Taliban. Pakistan bought drones from us and said in effect, let us do it ourselves, we do not need your help. There were different times (mostly in earlier years) where if Pakistan was too aggressive with them they were told that the fighters would come to the cities and create problems. They seemed to co-exist, the fighters living in the tribal regions, the rest of the country living how they wanted in the cities.

AT THIS POINT, Pakistan does not want ISIS in their lands. The wall would accomplish this. But once they are walled off from Afghanistan, the US cannot just keep sending drone hits inside their country saying we are hunting down people who crossed the border. There are multinational corporations who want the oil from Balochistan, Pakistan (companies foreign to Pakistan). Trump has said we should take the oil from the middle east and keep it. I do not agree with that.

Would the wall stop the partitioning of Pakistani oil from happening?

We can look at Iraq and contemplate what happened when we deposed Saddam, and companies came in to help them with their oil.

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2153
(2164 all sites)
Registered: 2/3/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/25/2018 at 02:22 AM
Despite how they hated that hypocritical moderate neocon in sheep's clothing named Obama, in Pakistan they should have then asked the United States for money.

Pakistan should have asked Obama to help build their wall, since he would have gladly gave them all the money to pay for it, after he used drones on them.

He gave the Palestinians $221 million (£177 million).



[Edited on 2/25/2018 by The_Newt]

 

____________________
Language is a virus from outer space.

 
E-Mail User

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5778
(5778 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/25/2018 at 12:16 PM
Hey Mr. Taliban tally me banana.
 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2153
(2164 all sites)
Registered: 2/3/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/25/2018 at 05:10 PM
This is the opinion that the majority of Hindus living in India and around the world have about Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Indian Muslims. I did not write it, I am just cross-posting it here.

Everybody in India in actuality has a Hindu ancestry
December 13, 2014 at 8:37am
Indian Muslims are all originally Hindus
Indian Muslims are originally Hindus and follow rituals, which are originally borrowed from Hinduism.
India is a country of Hindus. Even Muslims and Christians are originally Hindus as they have inherited the Hindu culture. They too have roots in Hinduism.

Muslims sing qawwalis because they inherited the trait of singing bhajans (hymns) from their forefathers. They also worship at mausoleums of great Muslim saints by offering chadar (quilt), which is equivalent to worshipping done by Hindus in temples by giving offerings to GOD.

Muslims require mosques for offering prayers to GOD in form of namaj, which is similar to Hindus chanting prayers to GOD in temples.

This also applies to Christians having Churches built for offering prayers to 'GOD'.

We are a country of unity in diversity. We are all one despite so many languages, different religions, cultures, traditions and food habits. All Indians derive strength from the spirit of Hindutva, which is a way of life - sanatana dharma.

Indian Muslims must either proudly accept and acknowledge their Hindu ancestors and legacy or be disenfranchised. To many that feels like hateful, communal prejudice.

However, it is not hateful at all. It is first of all factually correct that Muslims of India ( have DNA wise the same DNA as us Hindus, and therefore there is nothing wrong with them acknowledging that their ancestors are Hindus. If they say Hindus are not their ancestors, then who could be their ancestors? Now after all we created Pakistan and Bangladesh for those Muslims who didn't consider themselves as ready to live with their Hindu brothers.

Therefore it would be injustice towards Hindus, if anyone says that Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists do not have Hindu ancestry.

One should not turn our backs towards true history of us Hindus !!! Everyone residing in this country, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh have a common Hindu ancestry, and this can be proved scientifically, by matching our DNAs.

Shri Chhatrapati Shivaji Maharaj, the mighty and visionary Hindu King demolished the Islamic domination in India and founded the Hindu Empire in 1674. It was this unity amongst Hindus that lead to the downfall of Muslim dominion and the rise of Hindu dominion in India. This was the era when Hindus started giving the Muslims back whatever they recieved from them, with full interest.

Hindus from India, Nepal, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Fiji, Caribbean Islands share together with great joy in the spirit of brotherhood, keeping aside their differences of caste, color and nationality.

The enthusiastic approach debunks the fallacious theories advanced by the prophets of doom that Hindus can never be brought together on one single platform.

The Muslims, Christians, Sikhs and Buddhists of India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Bangladesh should acknowledge their Hindu foundation and that their forefathers were Hindus, that they did not come from Persia. “India is only for those who swear that Bharat or Hindustan is their matru-bhoomi and karma-bhoom and no one else.

Hindus are under a state of siege in India and they do not even realize it.

The forces which want to undermine the Hindu faith and Hindu spirit in India are clandestine and deceptive. It is a matter of great regret that Hindus themselves are being used as pawns in this sinister conspiracy directed by foreigners who have no love for India. Undiluted unity of Hindus based and fostered on the fundamentals of renaissance is the need of the hour.

Listing the injustices perpetrated and sacrileges heaped on Hindus and their age-old institutions with impunity, and with the sophistication of constitutional instruments of law, we Hindus should realise, that the arrest and imprisonment of 2500 year old Kanchi Mutt Shankaracharya, patronizing of Christian evangelist Benny Hill by Karnataka Chief Minister and Central Government ministers, attack on Ram Temple in Ayodhya by foreign terrorists, taking over the Hindu-temple land by Congress governments in Andhra Pradesh, smack of a deep rooted conspiracy to hold Hindus under siege in Bharat.

We Hindus are the descendants of brave and victorious kings like Chhatrapati Shivaji and the Vijayanagaram Kings. Hence, Hindus should develop a mindset to retaliate in the face of unprovoked attacks. Our retaliation must be massive enough to deter any future attacks.

If Muslim terrorists come from the training camps in Pakistan, those training camps, no matter what the consequences, must be carpet bombed.

It is extremel,y shameful on the part of Indian leaders of one billion strong Hindus to look at the United States and complain about the cross border terrorism (from Pakistan) and cry like babies. If we look at the history of Hindus, we shall see that Hindus have the proud tradition of fighting off injustice, rather than crying in front some distant people from the USA and expect them to come and scold the Muslims and tell them not to do injustice to Hindus. (Hindus, by their own tradition,never have been to secular, non-violent and cowards. Hindus never had any history of bowing to their attackers)

The concept that “All religions are one” as propagated by Gandhi incessantly is the most destructive concept that is affecting us all. It is not only silly but dangerous fallacy to propagate the idea that all religions are one. Some of these gurus and sanyasis from India come here at the United Nations and invoke Allah, the Jewish YHWH, and Jesus Christ. In fact, what are they saying to us Hindus, who are under severe attacks every day by the same forces of Allah, Jewish YHWH, and Christ. Hinduism and other religions can’t be equated and called same because “religions” of the world have been born in the environment of hostility. Tracing the origin of Abrahamic religions, Swami Aksharananda said that when Christianity came on the scene, it had to develop an antagonistic philosophy to deal with Judaism. When Islam came on the scene, it had to develop an antagonistic philosophy in order to deal with both Christianity and Judaism. He stressed on the point that Islam it's very genesis is violent, hostile, tribalism, and antagonistic.

Hindus are the only people in the world who are being tortured, killed and murdered and nobody ever takes note of it. And the reason behind it is that Hindus, instead of fighting off injustice and terrorism, believe in conquering the world by secularism and non-violence, which, in it's true sense is nothing but sheer nonsense.

COMPILED BY
HINDUSTANI SHER-ARYAN

 

____________________
Language is a virus from outer space.

 
E-Mail User

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18884
(19350 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/25/2018 at 05:28 PM
quote:
Hey Mr. Taliban tally me banana.


Nice banana resort in Doha. And you know the Afghan Talibs have political office in Doha.

https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/25/02/2018/Banana-Island-Resort-D oha-by-Anantara-unveils-world-class-facilities

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2153
(2164 all sites)
Registered: 2/3/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/26/2018 at 05:04 AM
quote:
quote:
Hey Mr. Taliban tally me banana.


Nice banana resort in Doha. And you know the Afghan Talibs have political office in Doha.

https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/25/02/2018/Banana-Island-Resort-D oha-by-Anantara-unveils-world-class-facilities



If you like it and Islam so much, why not go there or to Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam?

 

____________________
Language is a virus from outer space.

 
E-Mail User

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5778
(5778 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/26/2018 at 12:49 PM
He wouldn't last a day in an Islamic country.
 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2153
(2164 all sites)
Registered: 2/3/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 2/26/2018 at 03:10 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Hey Mr. Taliban tally me banana.


Nice banana resort in Doha. And you know the Afghan Talibs have political office in Doha.

https://www.thepeninsulaqatar.com/article/25/02/2018/Banana-Island-Resort-D oha-by-Anantara-unveils-world-class-facilities



If you like it and Islam so much, why not go there or to Saudi Arabia and convert to Islam?

She can actually stay right here in the United States and convert to Islam if she so chooses. Our Constitution grants freedom of religion to all.

It was a joke. You are new here, and probably do not know that gina is a crazy troll.

quote:
He wouldn't last a day in an Islamic country.

I'm not sure who you are replying to, but I have been to quite a number of Islamic countries, stayed there for awhile, and traveled through them.

 

____________________
Language is a virus from outer space.

 
E-Mail User
 


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software

Privacy | Terms of Service | Report Infringement | Personal Data Management | Contact Us
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com