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  posted on 12/29/2017 at 10:52 PM
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I couldn't stand the book. Clapton's and Gregg's book did neither one of them any favors in my opinion. Both came across as insecure and not someone I'd particularly want to emulate.

Both are 2 of my all-time favorite musicians.

Just my opinion. I'm sure many will differ.

I've read other bios of rock stars that I really liked. I think both Petty & Springsteen's books were wonderful. I read both last year.


It's been my experience reading biographies about Rock musicians is to take them for what they are and don't expect much. Hopefully one will be entertained some but in the long, they're nothing to take seriously.

 

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  posted on 12/29/2017 at 11:37 PM
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I was responding to CanadianMule’s comment and I quote: “In many ways, I see that album being as much about Chuck as it was Eric.” As far as Chuck he said, (again I quote) “I did what my better judgement told me not to do. I signed the contract without that being spelled out ...” As for Clapton ... Chuck wouldn’t be the first musician that Clapton has screwed; however, unlike the others Chuck has continued to be in demand as a musician. He is basically indispensable to the Stones as their de facto musical director. Of course behind his work on Brothers And Sisters, Unplugged would be his next best recorded performance.


Curious, who else had EC screwed over?

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 12:11 AM
Perhaps “screwed” isn’t the correct term. Clapton’s modus operendi has been change although sticking to his blues based roots playing. John Mayall, Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and Dominos, various incarnations of his bands over the years. There’s a lot of musicians left in his wake whose claim to fame will forever be heretofore “played with Clapton.” Let’s pick one ... how about ... Bobby Whitlock ... actually let’s pick somebody more sympathetic ... how about George Terry, an integral part of the 461 Band and touring foil for Clapton only to fade into obscurity after being released. Think about all the rest ... I mean it is what it is and has always been that way in the music business. Clapton picks people to play with because they are useful to him. After they serve their purpose, they are let go. Some of those folks go no further.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 12:43 AM
WarEagle wrote "Warren Zanes' Tom Petty book is one of the best biographies that I have read. I'd put it up there beside Bob Mehr's book "Trouble Boys" about the Replacements as maybe my top two biographies."


Jeez, WarEagle, I will have to check it out. "Trouble Boys" is really excellent. Two signs of its excellence: it has lead me to revisit it over and over again, and it has also led me to listen to that music with much more attention and fervor.

"Trouble Boys" is so thorough, in a good way. A lot of books leave you wanting more; they feel like they skim over some eras or albums or issues. This book is patient and thoughtful. It is "warts and all" in the sense of showing band members' flaws without being a big expose of dirt. Best of all, it really does get into the music, the music, the music.

Plus, its style and intelligence make it a compelling read and re-read; it is not just a laundry list of factoids and events.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 01:02 AM
JimSheridan,

I agree with everything you said about "Trouble Boys".

Where I think "Petty" lines up with it, it is written by an outsider who remains objective on the subject despite the subject being fully aware/somewhat supportive of the venture.

Since Tom Petty, the ABB, Led Zeppelin and the Black Crowes are my favorite artists Petty's book gets a bump for being someone I am greatly interested in reading more about. However, even without that bump, I'd put it just below the "Trouble Boys" book.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 10:22 AM
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Perhaps “screwed” isn’t the correct term. Clapton’s modus operendi has been change although sticking to his blues based roots playing. John Mayall, Yardbirds, Cream, Blind Faith, Derek and Dominos, various incarnations of his bands over the years. There’s a lot of musicians left in his wake whose claim to fame will forever be heretofore “played with Clapton.” Let’s pick one ... how about ... Bobby Whitlock ... actually let’s pick somebody more sympathetic ... how about George Terry, an integral part of the 461 Band and touring foil for Clapton only to fade into obscurity after being released. Think about all the rest ... I mean it is what it is and has always been that way in the music business. Clapton picks people to play with because they are useful to him. After they serve their purpose, they are let go. Some of those folks go no further.


Gotcha. My thoughts on that are just different than yours. I don’t have a problem with him changing lineups all the time if that’s what he wants. He’s the bandleader, for lack of a better term. And I don’t think he owes these guys anything after it’s over. Frankly, guys like Whitlock and Terry wouldn’t be anywhere near as known as they are without their time with Clapton. That time was career reward enough I think.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 10:55 AM
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Gotcha. My thoughts on that are just different than yours. I don’t have a problem with him changing lineups all the time if that’s what he wants. He’s the bandleader, for lack of a better term. And I don’t think he owes these guys anything after it’s over. Frankly, guys like Whitlock and Terry wouldn’t be anywhere near as known as they are without their time with Clapton. That time was career reward enough I think.


Exactly. This argument comes up all the time regarding sidemen - integral to any album or tour, but if they can't find work after that is over, it's not the artist who hired them previously who is at fault. I know guys like Clyde Stubblefield and Butch Trucks never would have dreamed they would get sampled in hit singles decades later, but any artist is lucky to make money doing what they love to do in the moment and shouldn't expect it to be a meal ticket for their golden years.

Not every supporting actor, conceptual artist, or grip is going to get residuals from a blockbuster movie, and if they are good they will continue to find work. Should the guy who installed your toilet get a nickel every time you eat beans?

Also, you have personalities to deal with - two musicians might make beautiful music together but not really want to work together again (sound familiar?). Maybe some musicians didn't want to work with Clapton? Especially in the early 1970s when he was a smacked out or drunken mess shouting racist rhetorical onstage. I'm sure there were musicians onstage thinking "they are not paying me enough for this".

And then you have artists who let their managers make all of the decisions. Once Elvis stopped touring with Scotty Moore, he saw and played with him exactly one more time at the 1968 TV special before touring with James Burton on guitar for his final decade. Life happens, music is still a business and anyone is damned lucky to find people they can work with for decades on end.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 02:59 PM
Excellent post Porkchop and your plumber and beans analogy had me spitting soda on my screen.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 08:52 PM
Regarding my favorable impression of the Petty, Springsteen & Al Kooper bios:

I had a very elevated view of all 3 after reading the books. Much respect for them as human beings. I read the bios on G. Allman & Clapton years before and had the opposite impression.

I'm sure this may have biased my view of all 3 books.

In any event I hope those that choose to read them enjoy .....

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 11:07 PM
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And then you have artists who let their managers make all of the decisions. Once Elvis stopped touring with Scotty Moore, he saw and played with him exactly one more time at the 1968 TV special before touring with James Burton on guitar for his final decade.



That is a common misconception. Scotty (and DJ Fontana) played on Elvis' soundtrack albums and singles throughout the '60s.

 

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  posted on 12/30/2017 at 11:44 PM
Sorry I guess I mislead you guys and wasn't as clear as I thought.

I was responding to Tim' comment about his contribution. When I mentioned him being equal to Eric, I meant from a playing standpoint and to the songs. Would be a very different album without him and as Tim mentioned - his playing from start to finish is top notch.

Didn't mean to take away from Eric - just that he picked very well for that album.

 

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I agree with the sentiments about Clapton's autobiography - boring with little or no insight as to who or what influenced him. Gregg's was similar - did not enjoy either.

Costello, Springsteen and Townshend have all produced excellent autobiographies with insight and reverence to those who have influenced or played with them.

Seen Clapton 3 times and do not remember him introducing any of the supremely talented musicians (including Derek) in the band to the audience. Produces great music but a bit of an arse. So is Townshend (The Who are my all-time faves), but at least he acknowledges it and has grown more gracious as he ages.

 

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I agree with the sentiments about Clapton's autobiography - boring with little or no insight as to who or what influenced him. Gregg's was similar - did not enjoy either.

Costello, Springsteen and Townshend have all produced excellent autobiographies with insight and reverence to those who have influenced or played with them.

Seen Clapton 3 times and do not remember him introducing any of the supremely talented musicians (including Derek) in the band to the audience. Produces great music but a bit of an arse. So is Townshend (The Who are my all-time faves), but at least he acknowledges it and has grown more gracious as he ages.


I feel bad for all of Clapton's ex girlfriends/wives as he was extremely abusive to them both physically, psychologically, and sexually abused/raped Pattie Boyd.

Clapton admitted that he beat Boyd and raped her during the marriage, stating, “There were times when I took sex with my wife by force and thought that was my entitlement. I had absolutely no concern for other people.”

Pete Townshend is a pedophile/hebephile, which is disgusting. He can make up all the excuses he wants but he was visiting and downloaded illegal porn that showed people who are not legal adults. If you are really getting help for sexual abuse, or want to do actual research about the effects of it you read a book, or see a therapist or counselor you don't download illegal pictures/videos like he did.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2018 at 02:08 PM
Chuck Leavell is also great in the new David Gilmour Live at Pompeii Blu Ray. He even gets to do some of the vocal on Comfortably Numb. It's currently the best sounding concert Bluray I own.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2018 at 03:29 PM
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It’s been a while since I read EC’s autobiography, but at the time, I found it surprisingly dry, detached. For a man who has had a colorful music career and encountered so many characters and conveyed so much passion through his music, it was surprisingly flat.


I agree 100%!! I was so disappointed that his book lacked any type of emotion. For a man who sings and plays the blues so eloquently, I was surprised.

 

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  posted on 1/8/2018 at 05:57 PM
I have been wanting to read this,but maybe I will hold off.

 

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