Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2    3  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: Dickey Betts looks back

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18533
(18999 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/24/2017 at 07:11 PM
"But I feel like I did my work, and I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna top what I'm known for. So why don't you just stay home?"


Well someone has to answer that. People still want to hear ya play Dickey, that's why. You don't have to top yourself or create something so incredible people will be speechless for the rest of the night after they hear it and be talking about it for years. You proved all that already. What's left is, enjoying yourself, playing your music, playing for yourself and for the people who like to come out to hear it. Since finances are not an issue anymore, you don't have to play 5,000 seat halls. Come out to places where you have people who want to hear you and just enjoy that. Is it really less of an accomplishment to make a couple of hundred people happy than to play 5,000 seat halls? Joy is joy no matter how many people are benefitting from it.

If you want to sit home and just not play shows anymore, nobody will fault you for it, everybody is allowed to retire, but I think your band could open for Mule, or Derek & Susan, you could have other jam bands with any number of different people playing. Don't feel like it's a snub to your dignity to now be an opening act, because you have been a star with a world re-knowned band.

Once you have hit the pinnacle of your career, what comes next is just enjoying yourself without the strain of worrying over finances, or any of the other stuff that happens while you are making your way to the top (failed/ruined relationships from the rigors of touring, cheating spouses/lovers, problems with taxes, royalties, managers, egos in the bands etc. etc.). all that bull **** is done.

If you want to come out and play, people will still enjoy it.







[Edited on 11/26/2017 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Peach Bud



Karma:
Posts: 38
(38 all sites)
Registered: 6/1/2017
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/24/2017 at 10:15 PM
If there was ever one thing that Dickey Betts ALWAYS was, that would be true to himself....And after reading this article, it's easy to see he hasn't changed a bit, well into decade number seven....Genuine Since '69....And probably way before that!!


 

Peach Pro



Karma:
Posts: 439
(453 all sites)
Registered: 8/31/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/25/2017 at 06:24 AM
It's nice to see Dickey getting some love on this thread. That wasn't always the case in this forum

 

____________________
Through The Shadows To The Shadowless Land...

 

Peach Pro



Karma:
Posts: 412
(415 all sites)
Registered: 11/2/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/25/2017 at 02:12 PM
Imagine.....the print edition of Rolling Stone wasting two pages on a retired 73-year-old
backwoods guitar-playing genius when they could be telling us about Selena and the Beebs
reuniting, Chance The Rapper or what Taylor Swift had for lunch. Ridiculous! No wonder
everyone dumps on Rolling Stone.

 

Peach Master



Karma:
Posts: 725
(725 all sites)
Registered: 6/5/2011
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/27/2017 at 11:40 PM
"he figured he could draw 5000/night and make 20K a night but wound up playing bars for a quarter of that' and the shows were not that great, because the band was not that great. The first DB solo albums were fantastic

The last iteration of GS was ersatz

Yes Dickey is a musical master, and he is straightforward about not having the fire in his belly to
burn it up onstage. I'd rather remember his genius than pay to see him blow it. For that, in fact, I tip my hat. Be nice to see a DB bio before he poots.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18685
(18745 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 02:10 AM
quote:
"he figured he could draw 5000/night and make 20K a night but wound up playing bars for a quarter of that' and the shows were not that great, because the band was not that great. The first DB solo albums were fantastic


The second incarnation of Great Southern was as stated above "not that great"...I always thought the only player in that band who could really play was the keyboardist...And the first DB & GS album was really good (1977) the second, not so much....

 

____________________


 

Sublime Peach



Karma:
Posts: 7878
(7891 all sites)
Registered: 8/30/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 07:22 AM
https://youtu.be/DtWGr5Q0-vk

 

____________________
Isaiah 9:6-7
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+9%3A6-7&version=NKJV


 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1191
(1191 all sites)
Registered: 1/10/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 09:36 AM
quote:
"But I feel like I did my work, and I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna top what I'm known for. So why don't you just stay home?"


Well someone has to answer that. People still want to hear ya play Dickey, that's why. You don't have to top yourself or create something so incredible people will be speechless for the rest of the night after they hear it and be talking about it for years. You proved all that already. What's left is, enjoying yourself, playing your music, playing for yourself and for the people who like to come out to hear it. Since finances are not an issue anymore, you don't have to play 5,000 seat halls. Come out to places where you have people who want to hear you and just enjoy that. Is it really less of an accomplishment to make a couple of hundred people happy than to play 5,000 seat halls? Joy is joy no matter how many people are benefitting from it.

If you want to sit home and just not play shows anymore, nobody will fault you for it, everybody is allowed to retire, but I think your band could open for Mule, or Derek & Susan, you could have other jam bands with any number of different people playing. Don't feel like it's a snub to your dignity to now be an opening act, because you have been a star with a world re-knowned band.

Once you have hit the pinnacle of your career, what comes next is just enjoying yourself without the strain of worrying over finances, or any of the other stuff that happens while you are making your way to the top (failed/ruined relationships from the rigors of touring, cheating spouses/lovers, problems with taxes, royalties, managers, egos in the bands etc. etc.). all that bull **** is done.

If you want to come out and play, people will still enjoy it.
[Edited on 11/26/2017 by gina]


Appreciate your sentiments here, Gina, and I largely share them. I, too, wish Dickey would destroy the assumption that his playing will be under appreciated should he choose to start up again.

That said, I do admire and respect the enormously high standard of musicianship he holds himself to --- realistic at this stage of his life or not.

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 4621
(2976 all sites)
Registered: 1/8/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 11:02 AM
Met Joe Frazier when he was in his 60's. Never told him he should put the gloves on again. Didn't go on a net forum and say how he doesn't have it anymore. Didn't say anything to him I would not say to his face. At 60 plus his grip was strong and he could have decked me still. Stupid comparison, right? No. Guitar playing goes from the brain, to the nervous system, electrical impulse to muscles, and then the muscles act. It involves physicality. Muscle condition, bone condition, nerve response, and yes, that mental part. Should a musician be as good at 60 or 70 as 30? Aging says maybe it is harder. I find the people waiting on a Dickey thread to post how skills are gone displays more about their range of kindness than Dickey ability. I was good at boxing, not great. To me, one must be great to dis the greats. Otherwise you are just a critic. We know the value of that role.

 

____________________
*We Speak Analog* all else is a foreign language...

 

Peach Bud



Karma:
Posts: 38
(38 all sites)
Registered: 6/1/2017
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 01:05 PM
Haaa, good boxing analogy....In his prime Smokin' Joe had a wicked Philadelphia left hook....And he probably still had it well into his 60's!!

As far as Dickey, he "owes no one nothing" to use a double negative. If the man wants to enjoy his golden years in relative peace/quiet/anonymity he certainly has more than earned it....The hard way....And if he's smart enough to realize he wouldn't be able to deliver like he used to, then it takes a lot of guts to leave it lay.

God Bless and long live Dickey Betts!!

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3807
(3804 all sites)
Registered: 12/11/2001
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 03:38 PM
The man has earned retirement. I agree.

Selfishly, I'd love for him to set up in his hometown and do a show a month (or a couple over a weekend a few times a year). An acoustic gig where he brings in guests to play with him. You know he could attract absolutely great players. I'd absolutely make a road trip down to see that.

 

____________________
Tim L.

 

True Peach



Karma:
Posts: 13864
(13918 all sites)
Registered: 7/17/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/28/2017 at 05:17 PM
Great read. As far as the notion that Dickey should not play ABB stuff at his shows , Dickey plays (for the most part) the tunes that HE wrote. No "Whippin Post" - no "Dreams" , etc. He gave birth to that music and it will always be his to perform at his discretion.

I saw two Dickey shows in recent years. One of them was (for me) like watching a good cover band. The second show - he and the band were more rehearsed and practiced and they knocked it outta the park!

 

____________________
Music is love, and love is music, if you know what I mean.
People who believe in music are the happiest people I've ever seen.

Bill Ector, Randy Stephens, Dan Hills and a guy named BobO who I never met - Forever in my heart!

 

Peach Head



Karma:
Posts: 100
(100 all sites)
Registered: 4/11/2016
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/29/2017 at 04:22 PM
shame he didn't get the opportunity to take that last solo on Gregg's final album.

 

____________________
Dickey Betts = Genuine since 69

 

Peach Head



Karma:
Posts: 100
(100 all sites)
Registered: 4/11/2016
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/29/2017 at 04:25 PM
What you wrote is correct ... except in this day & age of youtube / twitter etc... one wrong note or forgotten lyric is reported as a trainwreck... I know he probably doesn't care much about all that but it does unfortunately happen.

quote:
"But I feel like I did my work, and I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna top what I'm known for. So why don't you just stay home?"


Well someone has to answer that. People still want to hear ya play Dickey, that's why. You don't have to top yourself or create something so incredible people will be speechless for the rest of the night after they hear it and be talking about it for years. You proved all that already. What's left is, enjoying yourself, playing your music, playing for yourself and for the people who like to come out to hear it. Since finances are not an issue anymore, you don't have to play 5,000 seat halls. Come out to places where you have people who want to hear you and just enjoy that. Is it really less of an accomplishment to make a couple of hundred people happy than to play 5,000 seat halls? Joy is joy no matter how many people are benefitting from it.

If you want to sit home and just not play shows anymore, nobody will fault you for it, everybody is allowed to retire, but I think your band could open for Mule, or Derek & Susan, you could have other jam bands with any number of different people playing. Don't feel like it's a snub to your dignity to now be an opening act, because you have been a star with a world re-knowned band.

Once you have hit the pinnacle of your career, what comes next is just enjoying yourself without the strain of worrying over finances, or any of the other stuff that happens while you are making your way to the top (failed/ruined relationships from the rigors of touring, cheating spouses/lovers, problems with taxes, royalties, managers, egos in the bands etc. etc.). all that bull **** is done.

If you want to come out and play, people will still enjoy it.







[Edited on 11/26/2017 by gina]

 

____________________
Dickey Betts = Genuine since 69

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5503
(5510 all sites)
Registered: 2/2/2008
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/29/2017 at 05:52 PM
quote:
What you wrote is correct ... except in this day & age of youtube / twitter etc... one wrong note or forgotten lyric is reported as a trainwreck... I know he probably doesn't care much about all that but it does unfortunately happen.

quote:
"But I feel like I did my work, and I'm not gonna do anything that's gonna top what I'm known for. So why don't you just stay home?"


Well someone has to answer that. People still want to hear ya play Dickey, that's why. You don't have to top yourself or create something so incredible people will be speechless for the rest of the night after they hear it and be talking about it for years. You proved all that already. What's left is, enjoying yourself, playing your music, playing for yourself and for the people who like to come out to hear it. Since finances are not an issue anymore, you don't have to play 5,000 seat halls. Come out to places where you have people who want to hear you and just enjoy that. Is it really less of an accomplishment to make a couple of hundred people happy than to play 5,000 seat halls? Joy is joy no matter how many people are benefitting from it.

If you want to sit home and just not play shows anymore, nobody will fault you for it, everybody is allowed to retire, but I think your band could open for Mule, or Derek & Susan, you could have other jam bands with any number of different people playing. Don't feel like it's a snub to your dignity to now be an opening act, because you have been a star with a world re-knowned band.

Once you have hit the pinnacle of your career, what comes next is just enjoying yourself without the strain of worrying over finances, or any of the other stuff that happens while you are making your way to the top (failed/ruined relationships from the rigors of touring, cheating spouses/lovers, problems with taxes, royalties, managers, egos in the bands etc. etc.). all that bull **** is done.

If you want to come out and play, people will still enjoy it.







[Edited on 11/26/2017 by gina]



Old man time has never (to follow the boxing thread above) lost a match. The musicians all age. Paul McCartney does almost three straight hrs - he's a medical marvel - but every year his voice ages and cracks more.

I saw Willie Mays hit a home his first game at Shea as a met in 1973. It sort of just went out with a touch of angel's breath behind . I deluded myself. When he tripped and fell in the outfield in the World Series later that season as one sportswriter put it "an entire generation got old today."

So the call is up to Dickey. My concert expectations are not what they used to be. I was on line to see John McLaughlin & Jimmy Herring last month (great show by the way) and an old time fan next to me said how excited he was for 6 months prior to the show Hell; if I buy tickets 6 mos before a show and both myself and the artist are alive for showtime I consider that a good concert

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18533
(18999 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/29/2017 at 08:24 PM
I also think Gregg's passing hasn't really been accepted yet in most of us yet. We know it happened, we experienced it in our own individual ways, but it is still a shock, and for musicians like Dickey, that is a big thing to really comprehend and incorporate into your psyche. After that to think, where do I go from here? The safe answer is, just retire, because there is no way to get the former band back together, Butch and Gregg are gone. But the others are still here, and even more who love and would do justice to and with the music if he chooses to just try and see where it takes him. Devon is determined that the music will go on, and he is doing his part. So are others. Dickey can take all the time he needs, if and when he comes out to play some more, people will enjoy that.

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

Peach Pro



Karma:
Posts: 317
(318 all sites)
Registered: 5/16/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/1/2017 at 09:16 AM
One of the more satisfying of all post Brother shows played by Dickey was at the Iridium in NYC with Kris Jenson and David Stoltz on a Les Paul Monday night . That type of setting and band would be something that could work for Dickey. Add Jaimoe and Junior Mack to that band and you would really have something special .
 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2098
(2109 all sites)
Registered: 2/3/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/4/2017 at 03:21 PM
Richard/Dickey can do whatever he wants. He's earned his retirement and deserves it.

I feel bad for the people who never got to see him play live with the brothers, or any of his side bands like great southern.

 

____________________
Language is a virus from outer space.

 
E-Mail User

Peach Head



Karma:
Posts: 39
(122 all sites)
Registered: 6/25/2017
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/4/2017 at 05:52 PM
Found four shows from 1990 on YouTube and two things stuck out to me that I didn't recall from the 5 or 6 shows I witnessed in 1990.

One was how out of sync Johnny Neal's piano solos often are. Often he would go up on top and play a barrel roll honky tonk type piano solo that was never in the groove and context of the song including Statesboro Blues. If this was typical of Johnny then I understand why he was dropped after the 1990 tour. The band said Gregg objected to Johnny being dropped but the other original members voted to return to the original band configuration of one keyboard player, twin guitars and drums and bass.

The second was how much more powerful Dickey's playing was than Warren's playing. I remember Jaimoe being interviewed about the band in 1990 and specifically was asked about Warren's playing and Jaimoe was very positive. But he added that Warren is still developing and finding his voice and that he ain't no Betts. Jaimoe said Dickey is a M***** F*****." Just listen to his tone and his licks".

By the mid 90s things had changed. Warren kept getting better and better and Dickey was hit and miss. You hoped Dickey would have a good night because it seemed the way it went for Dickey, the way it went for the entire band.

But when Dickey is playing like he often did in 1989 and the early 90s, in the context of the way the Allman Brothers sound, Warren and Derek we're not his match. You have to play the original band with Duane Allman on your CD player to do that.

 

____________________
b. lackey

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18685
(18745 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/4/2017 at 10:28 PM
quote:
One was how out of sync Johnny Neal's piano solos often are. Often he would go up on top and play a barrel roll honky tonk type piano solo that was never in the groove and context of the song including Statesboro Blues.


Thank you. I could never figure out why JN was in the band. Out of synch, key, call it what you like, not a good fit.

 

____________________


 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3581
(1896 all sites)
Registered: 1/22/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/5/2017 at 08:37 AM
gpm and I listened to Pattern Disruptive on the way back from Mc?aughlin/Herring in New Orleans.

Still a great sounding recording.

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1651
(1654 all sites)
Registered: 10/8/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/5/2017 at 01:20 PM
quote:
Jaimoe said Dickey is a M***** F*****." Just listen to his tone and his licks".


Truer words have never been spoken.

 

____________________
Giggidy Giggidy

 

Extreme Peach



Karma:
Posts: 1651
(1654 all sites)
Registered: 10/8/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/5/2017 at 03:54 PM
Some interesting news from Dickey's management today.....might not make any official works come to light, but I'd stay tuned.

 

____________________
Giggidy Giggidy

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3978
(3995 all sites)
Registered: 11/9/2004
Status: Online

  posted on 12/5/2017 at 04:22 PM
quote:
Some interesting news from Dickey's management today.....might not make any official works come to light, but I'd stay tuned.


Rather than be cryptic and keep everyone in suspense, I'll elaborate for y'all.

David Spero, Dickey's manager, wrote on Facebook today:

"this is a huge what if....but what if Dickey Betts decided to place 10 cities.....what should they be?"

[Edited on 12/5/2017 by porkchopbob]

 

____________________
http://www.porkchopbob.com/ | http://www.brettbob.com/

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 4621
(2976 all sites)
Registered: 1/8/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 12/5/2017 at 07:46 PM
fell off me chair...........

 

____________________
*We Speak Analog* all else is a foreign language...

 
<<  1    2    3  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software


Privacy | Terms of Service
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com