Don't click or your IP will be banned


Hittin' The Web with the Allman Brothers Band Forum
You are not logged in

< Last Thread   Next Thread ><<  1    2    3    4    5  >>Ascending sortDescending sorting  
Author: Subject: 26 people killed in shooting at Texas church

Maximum Peach



Karma:
Posts: 8517
(8542 all sites)
Registered: 4/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/8/2017 at 10:34 PM
It is so sad that these event do become the new normal. I don't know if we get hardened to it or what it is.
 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5173
(5173 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/8/2017 at 11:08 PM
quote:
It is so sad that these event do become the new normal. I don't know if we get hardened to it or what it is.


That's exactly what is happening.

 

____________________

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3707
(3702 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 08:57 AM
quote:
Why would you propose that? Are you crazy?


All I know is that there are a bunch of mentally ill, irresponsible millenials out there with social disorders who canít use a broom let alone a firearm, but they are Americans first. And if one of these types wants an AR-15, then by golly, they deserve one just as much as a you or I. Just because the cops and our military conduct extensive training for use of these weapons, doesnít mean Tyler who just graduated from high school canít have one too. 2nd amendment is the 2nd amendment. Sounds like you are suggesting we should strip away the god given rights of Tyler.

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2459
(2459 all sites)
Registered: 11/5/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 04:14 PM
quote:
quote:
Why would you propose that? Are you crazy?


All I know is that there are a bunch of mentally ill, irresponsible millenials out there with social disorders who canít use a broom let alone a firearm, but they are Americans first. And if one of these types wants an AR-15, then by golly, they deserve one just as much as a you or I. Just because the cops and our military conduct extensive training for use of these weapons, doesnít mean Tyler who just graduated from high school canít have one too. 2nd amendment is the 2nd amendment. Sounds like you are suggesting we should strip away the god given rights of Tyler.
Who in the heck is Tyler? Doesn't matter. Much More Important I really never thought you and I would agree on ANYTHING. But... perhaps we could. No Guns for millennials? I could get get on board with that!

Not to embarrass you or anything but you spelled millennials wrong. Don't feel bad I had to look it up. I know you and others are fond of pointing these things out to some of us under achieving right wingers.

 

____________________
"With the help of God and true friends I've come to realize,
I still have two strong legs and even wings to fly"

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4964
(4973 all sites)
Registered: 6/1/2009
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 04:23 PM
quote:
Ok, mule how about an opinion and solution idea from you? You demanded that from me, I posted some ideas you thought were dumb, but I offered an opinion and solution without bashing anyone.

Your turn.




Enforcing the laws already on the books would dramatically reduce gun violence.

Just imaging how many black people would be alive today in Chicago if the Democrats who run that city and are responsible for public safety actually enforced the law.
Look deeply into it. You will see that the straw purchase of guns is rarely prosecuted there.



 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5138
(5137 all sites)
Registered: 4/18/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 04:49 PM



People who can't take care of their own affairs have no business carrying firearms. People receiving social security for mental health issues have no business owning firearms. People on the terrorist watchlist should not be able to purchase firearms. These are common sense. I have no idea why gun rights activists can't get behind these common sense restrictions. Obviously you haven't had anyone close to you murdered or I can't imagine you supporting this insanity.


To receive Social Security for mental health issues, you have to be ADJUDGED MENTALLY INCOMPETENT.
Those who have are prohibited from purchasing or even having firearms present.

What is your definition of "can't take care of their own affairs"?

Don't just keep repeating the same thing you are told to, learn what is real.

Yes, I have had family members murdered, one for as little as a pack of cigarettes. One of my cousins was shot in the head in the mid 60's and carried a 38 slug in his head until he died in 2001.

The real insanity here is that YOU BELIEVE THAT PEOPLE SHOULD BE DENIED THEIR RIGHTS WITHOUT DUE PROCESS.

 

____________________
All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copyrighted by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywriter.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3920
(3931 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 04:52 PM
quote:
quote:
Ok, mule how about an opinion and solution idea from you? You demanded that from me, I posted some ideas you thought were dumb, but I offered an opinion and solution without bashing anyone.

Your turn.




Enforcing the laws already on the books would dramatically reduce gun violence.

Just imaging how many black people would be alive today in Chicago if the Democrats who run that city and are responsible for public safety actually enforced the law.
Look deeply into it. You will see that the straw purchase of guns is rarely prosecuted there.



f

Just imagine how many people in that Texas church might be alive if the Republican governor had any laws at all about guns. He whined that California had passed Texas in gun sales.

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2459
(2459 all sites)
Registered: 11/5/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 04:55 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
Ok, mule how about an opinion and solution idea from you? You demanded that from me, I posted some ideas you thought were dumb, but I offered an opinion and solution without bashing anyone.

Your turn.




Enforcing the laws already on the books would dramatically reduce gun violence.

Just imaging how many black people would be alive today in Chicago if the Democrats who run that city and are responsible for public safety actually enforced the law.
Look deeply into it. You will see that the straw purchase of guns is rarely prosecuted there.



f

Just imagine how many people in that Texas church might be alive if the Republican governor had any laws at all about guns. He whined that California had passed Texas in gun sales.
Just imagine if the laws on the books had been enforced in the first place. He would have never gotten a gun. That is the point. Enforcing current laws makes all the difference in the world. What good are more laws if they are not being enforced. You should probably read that twice.

 

____________________
"With the help of God and true friends I've come to realize,
I still have two strong legs and even wings to fly"

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5173
(5173 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 05:17 PM
Truth. If enough people ignore a law it becomes useless if enforcement can't keep after it. It is tacit revolution. The traffic thread got me thinking on this: Speeding is a crime. A dangerous crime with dire consequences. We all do it. It costs us more in taxpayer money from ER to cops and cleanup and so on than mass murder, but we all accept it and do it anyway. For some strange reason we all collude to be criminals in certain areas. Sometimes it is positive, as in the victory over marijuana oppression out west. That took decades of lawbreaking to achieve.

Law isn't going to fix this. This is about alienation, a society of isolated individuals that don't pay attention to each other, lack of community. The best place to start is with dialogue like this, people need to pay attention in their own circles and fix the loose cannons before they blow.

 

____________________

 

A Peach Supreme



Karma:
Posts: 2459
(2459 all sites)
Registered: 11/5/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/9/2017 at 06:05 PM
quote:
Truth. If enough people ignore a law it becomes useless if enforcement can't keep after it. It is tacit revolution. The traffic thread got me thinking on this: Speeding is a crime. A dangerous crime with dire consequences. We all do it. It costs us more in taxpayer money from ER to cops and cleanup and so on than mass murder, but we all accept it and do it anyway. For some strange reason we all collude to be criminals in certain areas. Sometimes it is positive, as in the victory over marijuana oppression out west. That took decades of lawbreaking to achieve.

Law isn't going to fix this. This is about alienation, a society of isolated individuals that don't pay attention to each other, lack of community. The best place to start is with dialogue like this, people need to pay attention in their own circles and fix the loose cannons before they blow.
There is just no way in the world I can disagree with any of that.

MAGA

 

____________________
"With the help of God and true friends I've come to realize,
I still have two strong legs and even wings to fly"

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3707
(3702 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/10/2017 at 07:53 AM
quote:
Not to embarrass you or anything


LOL!

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18695
(18755 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/10/2017 at 10:56 AM


quote:
Law isn't going to fix this. This is about alienation, a society of isolated individuals that don't pay attention to each other, lack of community. The best place to start is with dialogue like this, people need to pay attention in their own circles and fix the loose cannons before they blow.


Truth

 

____________________


 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18541
(19007 all sites)
Registered: 1/19/2002
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 04:11 PM
quote:
1 - There is no reason in the world for any civilian to own an automatic weapon. Period; case closed.

2 - It is a mental health and a gun issue. Did someone who was court-martialed and imprisoned for battery against his wife and child obtain weapons legally?

3 - From both a gun and an immigration standpoint: Yes, this guy was eventually dishonorably discharged. But if the US military can't vette someone how can we trust our government to vette either of the above?



Regarding:

1) Yes there is a reason. Home invasion, protection of life, property because sometimes it is not just one thug that breaks into someone's home. If there are two or more a shotgun and rifle are more cumbersome to manage taking them out, if it is just one person, shoot him in the gut with your shotgun and you are safe. He will die. If there are two or three, you can only incapacitate one at a time, and you may not have the time to delay the others unless you have a handgun.

2) Mental health/gun issues: agreed anyone arrested regardless of conviction for drunk driving, or other offenses where they may plead guilty to lesser charges should not get a gun. Domestic violence is a crime committed by someone who is a bully, wants to dominate someone else. Bullies should not have guns. Anyone convicted of a crime should not get a gun. If they are convicted it means they had faulty judgment and/or little or no regard for the rights of others. That is a big flaw, and a person like that cannot have a weapon.

Former military - If they are dishonorably discharged or have PTSD they should not have a weapon.
Developmentally disabled people - no weapon. The military have their own rules that they follow in vetting people. There needs to be perhaps another database that coordinates all military personnel and lists any conditions they have when they are being released and that needs to be accessible to the gun stores and law enforcement. Maybe we need a GUN department in the govt. and they go thru all these agencies, and get the information and then the gun stores get a yea or nay from them. If they can simply the tax code they should be able to simply this.

It is not all that difficult, if someone is a eff-up, they should not have a weapon.

Alcoholics, no weapon,

ptsd vets, no weapon,

developmentally disabled, no weapon or access to one, it is not cute, it is not a family sharing experience to see how well junior can shoot, junior should not have access to mommy or daddy's weapons. They do not have the mental capacity to comprehend when or who to shoot, or probably the skill to do it without hurting others who are not the intended targets. They get angry, confused, well angry/confused people cannot be using weapons.

Convicts, no weapon upon release from jail, domestic violence abusers, no weapon.

Visa Waiver people in this country to study - no weapon.

If they are not a US citizen - no weapon.

Would that solve some of the problems?




[Edited on 11/16/2017 by gina]

[Edited on 11/16/2017 by gina]

 

____________________
"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5173
(5173 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 08:26 PM
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.

 

____________________

 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4964
(4973 all sites)
Registered: 6/1/2009
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 08:53 PM
quote:
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.



So how do you make sure the law the abiding citizens can have the weapons that they are entitled to under the Constitution to protect themselves and their families and prevent angry/confused people from getting a weapon?


 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5173
(5173 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 08:59 PM

lol - good deadpan. Thought you were serious for a sec.

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 26361
(26372 all sites)
Registered: 8/12/2007
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 09:03 PM
I just want to know why the right to own a gun is more important than the lives of those killed by gun violence. Where are the pro-lifers on this issue or does that only matter during pregnancy?
 

Peach Extraordinaire



Karma:
Posts: 4964
(4973 all sites)
Registered: 6/1/2009
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 09:09 PM
quote:
I just want to know why the right to own a gun is more important than the lives of those killed by gun violence. Where are the pro-lifers on this issue or does that only matter during pregnancy?




Typical far-left misrepresentation and convoluting of two separate issues.

Americans have a Constitutional right to own and use weapons to protect themselves.
No one has a right to kill a baby.


I did not say "he make these issues more complicated and difficult to follow".
Those are your words.

My post pointed out that the gun issue has nothing to do with the killing babies issue.
That is only difficult to follow if your political agenda so controls you that you cannot analyze two separate matters.


[Edited on 11/17/2017 by Muleman1994]

 

World Class Peach



Karma:
Posts: 5173
(5173 all sites)
Registered: 7/18/2010
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 09:22 PM
Convoluting of two separate issues? How did he make these issues more complicated and difficult to follow?

 

____________________

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18695
(18755 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 11:28 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.



So how do you make sure the law the abiding citizens can have the weapons that they are entitled to under the Constitution to protect themselves and their families and prevent angry/confused people from getting a weapon?


Simple, the left has one answer and only one for this issue, more laws.

 

____________________


 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3920
(3931 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/16/2017 at 11:57 PM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.



So how do you make sure the law the abiding citizens can have the weapons that they are entitled to under the Constitution to protect themselves and their families and prevent angry/confused people from getting a weapon?


Simple, the left has one answer and only one for this issue, more laws.


He didnít ask for one of your pointless generalizations, he asked what you would do. Try again.

 

Zen Peach



Karma:
Posts: 18695
(18755 all sites)
Registered: 2/9/2006
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/17/2017 at 02:11 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.



So how do you make sure the law the abiding citizens can have the weapons that they are entitled to under the Constitution to protect themselves and their families and prevent angry/confused people from getting a weapon?


Simple, the left has one answer and only one for this issue, more laws.


He didnít ask for one of your pointless generalizations, he asked what you would do. Try again.


You are just so entertaining

 

____________________


 

Peach Head



Karma:
Posts: 96
(96 all sites)
Registered: 6/20/2017
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/17/2017 at 06:49 AM
quote:
1 - There is no reason in the world for any civilian to own an automatic weapon. Period; case closed.

2 - It is a mental health and a gun issue. Did someone who was court-martialed and imprisoned for battery against his wife and child obtain weapons legally?

3 - From both a gun and an immigration standpoint: Yes, this guy was eventually dishonorably discharged. But if the US military can't vette someone how can we trust our government to vette either of the above?


No automatic weapons have been used in any of the incidents being discussed. The National Firearms Act of 1984 prohibited the sale of automatic weapons to civilians for guns made after the date the Act was enacted. So only guns made prior to 1984 can be held by civilians. The number of these guns is small which makes them prohibitively expensive for most people. Also, an application for purchase on one of these weapons has to go through the BATFE and you will be thoroughly investigated prior to it being approved which takes a minimum of six months usually much longer. Also, you are then subject to no notice inspections at your residence by BATFE agents or local law enforcement to ensure you are following the restrictions on the storage of such weapons.

If you want to have a national discussion on the topic then please, at the very least, educate yourself on the topic. Too many of the laws passed deal with aesthetics of the guns and not with anything that contribute to their lethality.

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3707
(3702 all sites)
Registered: 12/27/2003
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/17/2017 at 07:05 AM
quote:
If you want to have a national discussion on the topic then please, at the very least, educate yourself on the topic.


Macho macho man! BirdsAway's got to be...a macho man. At the very least, you should know this isn't about the semantics of automatic v semi-automatic.

[Edited on 11/17/2017 by BoytonBrother]

 

Ultimate Peach



Karma:
Posts: 3920
(3931 all sites)
Registered: 12/18/2004
Status: Offline

  posted on 11/17/2017 at 10:27 AM
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
angry/confused people cannot be using weapons


That pretty much rules out most folks.



So how do you make sure the law the abiding citizens can have the weapons that they are entitled to under the Constitution to protect themselves and their families and prevent angry/confused people from getting a weapon?


Simple, the left has one answer and only one for this issue, more laws.


He didnít ask for one of your pointless generalizations, he asked what you would do. Try again.


You are just so entertaining




And you can't answer questions you wish others to answer.

 
<<  1    2    3    4    5  >>  


Powered by XForum 1.81.1 by Trollix Software


Privacy | Terms of Service
The ALLMAN BROTHERS BAND name, The ALLMAN BROTHERS name, likenesses, logos, mushroom design and peach truck are all registered trademarks of THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. whose rights are specifically reserved. Any artwork, visual, or audio representations used on this web site CONTAINING ANY REGISTERED TRADEMARKS are under license from The ABB MERCHANDISING CO., INC. A REVOCABLE, GRATIS LICENSE IS GRANTED TO ALL REGISTERED PEACH CORP MEMBERS FOR The DOWNLOADING OF ONE COPY FOR PERSONAL USE ONLY. ANY DISTRIBUTION OR REPRODUCTION OF THE TRADEMARKS CONTAINED HEREIN ARE PROHIBITED AND ARE SPECIFICALLY RESERVED BY THE ABB MERCHANDISING CO.,INC.
site by Hittin' the Web Group with www.experiencewasabi3d.com