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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 03:15 PM
Funny how 40 years flies by in what seems like the blink of an eye.
3rd row center in 1974 at NYC's Academy of Music after Charlie Daniels opened.
The raw power was so intense I had hearing loss in both ears that lasted for 3 days.
I remember Ronnie saying "We're gonna do it just like Duane Allman and Berry Oakley used to do it here in NYC".
The place went crazy.
That's how I like to remember it.
http://www.rollingstone.com/music/features/remembering-lynyrd-skynyrds-plan e-crash-ronnie-van-zant-w509500

 
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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 05:46 PM
Devastating loss of a stellar band.
 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 06:08 PM
I was working Gate 4 at Rickenbacker AFB when I heard the news on local radio. I'll always remember that moment.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 06:54 PM
about 11 days until the Detroit which was rescheduled from the summer......was really jacked to see them...still have the tix mounted on the wall.....one of the few bands I didn't get to see RIP gentlemen
 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 07:05 PM
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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 08:06 PM
So it was Odom who went into the cockpit and told the pilots if they live through this he was going to beat them. In 1977 some write ups on the crash imputed that to Ronnie Van Zant.

Many people claim LS was the best southern rock band that graced a stage. They did become the most popular. LS has sold more records than ABB. But it's not true Sweet Home Alabama was the biggest selling southern rock single.

I saw LS several times and really enjoyed the music, fun and energy. And at the Atlanta baseball stadium in 1974 they blew the ABB off the stage. Gregg blamed the butt kicking on the ABB getting hooked up with bad drugs. Lamar Williams couldn't play at all. Can anybody remember who played bass. I can't. I wanna say Tommy Talton but I doubt it. Dickey tried to play some decent solos but he was often reduced to standing next to his amp with a wet towel over his head. Gregg was a mess. Chuck and the drummers seemed to be okay but sadly the music suffered with messed up lyrics, missed cues and wrong notes and tempo with Chuck trying to hold it together. I recall Jessica got going pretty well.

But with all due respect to LS, the ABB was a better band. Even after Duane and Berry. LS may have had an edge on the ABB in the guitar department with the 3 guitar attack. But neither of the 3 could equal Dickey when Dickey came to play. Same with bass and drums and piano. And I would argue Ronnie, who reminded me of Gregg when he sang, wasn't Gregg's equal. And ABB material often was more challenging for a musician. But LS was good and by 1975 had more energy that the ABB and didn't have the jaded and uninspired performances I saw a few times with the ABB in 1974 and 75. The Chuck and Lamar lineup was hot and something to behold in 1973 but that began to slip in 1974. 1973 was almost as good as the original band in 1971.

But don't get me wrong. I loved LS in the 1970s and the plane crash made me cry. I loved that band. And in 1977 they probably improved themselves with Steve Gaines replacing Ed King. Ed King was pretty darn hot with Allen Collins when I saw them in 1974. Caught several shows that summer. Remember one where Ronnie walked out and finished off a bottle of wine then tossed it to the crowd then counted off the first song. And Ronnie always mentioned Duane and Berry and a couple of times Otis Redding at Free Bird Time.

 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 08:25 PM
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Devastating loss of a stellar band.


To put it mildly....Growing up in the Bay Area (Burlingame) S.F. and its wonderful music scene (Winterland, The Cow Palace, Fillmore West etc) was just N on the 101 (Bayshore).... Lucky enough to catch the original band as both a "Warm-up" and a Headliner a number of times before the crash....MTB, ABB & CDB were usually on the same bill and the tix were no more than 5-7$....Two Skynyrd shows in particular come to mind...1) Billy Powell was absent for one (Badly cut finger, which Gary Rossington recalled when he signed my Gretsch) and 2) The opening song was "I ain't the one" with RVZ twirling the mic while a Giant Confederate battle flag unfurled behind the band...These guys absolutely tore it up every time I saw 'em and man, I was heartbroken when the plane went down....Took 'em for a "test drive" in S.D. in '91 and was entertained. but nothing like the original band with Ed King out front....

 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 10:17 PM
Great to hear some of the experiences with the original line-up. I never saw them pre-crash unfortunately. I still consider them one of my all time favorites and would have loved to have seen them back then. Since the 90ís have gone a few times and it is enjoyable, but clearly it is a different band you are seeing. I had a toast to them at the bar tonight and said a little thank you for the music that is still very alive and loved.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2017 at 02:02 PM
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Great to hear some of the experiences with the original line-up.


It was a great period for music in S.F. Bill Graham loved the city and threw a lot of support into the bands from the South. It was not uncommon to open the "Pink" section of the Sunday morning SF. Chronicle and see Skynyrd with the MTB opening for $5, Two nights later, The CDB would open for the MTB >>ABB for $7. Winterland was awesome. An old ice skating rink that had been converted into a Concert Venue, you'd arrive early, stake out your place on the floor and sit in a circle and get high. "Staking out" usually meant finding a spot close to the stage, spreading out your (disposable) blanket and getting to work. There was no "security" to speak of once inside and the groups around you were soon rendered almost invisible because of the smoke. After a while, the lights would go down, the crowd would excitedly rise, gathering their things while kicking the blanket to the side as the crowd pushed everything toward the stage. Bill Graham would emerge, bathed in a spotlight as he approached the mic at center stage.."Good Evening"...

My other vivid Skynyrd memory is during one of many performances of "Free Bird"....The show had ended with the band having walked off the stage after the set-list had been completed, only to return because of all of the foot-stompin' and yellin'.....Half the audience was holding up either a lit match or lighter of some sort as the band made its way back to their instruments. I can recall Ronnie talkin' to the crowd and FF to the guitars soaring at the end; half the girls on the floor up on the shoulders of some guy all while rock and roll Hell was busting loose.....

 

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  posted on 10/22/2017 at 03:09 PM
Slept out two nights at the old New Haven Coliseum, CT for tix with my college buddy.
We were #1 and 2 in line. I managed to pool enough cash to get the whole front row, 14 seats.
My buddy had the second row. We were so happy and rejoicing, then went back to campus to celebrate. Later that night there was a knock at the door. The guy down the hall said...."the Skynyrd plane crashed". We thought he was just bustin' us because of the great seats we got.
So I turn on the radio and hear "more on the Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash after this message". I couldn't f'in believe it........still have the ticket Row 1 Seat 1 $7.50
Did get to see them the summer before JFK stadium in Philly, but that was nothing like the front row would have been.
Rock n roll bummer of my life.
RIP Skynyrd Band




[Edited on 10/22/2017 by MuleMe]

 

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  posted on 10/22/2017 at 03:55 PM
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Slept out two nights at the old New Haven Coliseum, CT for tix with my college buddy.
We were #1 and 2 in line. I managed to pool enough cash to get the whole front row, 14 seats.
My buddy had the second row. We were so happy and rejoicing, then went back to campus to celebrate. Later that night there was a knock at the door. The guy down the hall said...."the Skynyrd plane crashed". We thought he was just bustin' us because of the great seats we got.
So I turn on the radio and hear "more on the Lynyrd Skynyrd plane crash after this message". I couldn't f'in believe it........still have the ticket Row 1 Seat 1 $7.50
Did get to see them the summer before JFK stadium in Philly, but that was nothing like the front row would have been.
Rock n roll bummer of my life.
RIP Skynyrd Band




[Edited on 10/22/2017 by MuleMe]
That was well before ticketbastard and scalping, I had tix to that also, Johnny Winter was the opener.

 

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  posted on 10/22/2017 at 04:08 PM
1977.....Ticketron
 

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  posted on 10/22/2017 at 09:20 PM
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1977.....Ticketron
Yes, back then I beleve Cutlers records had a ticketron in New Haven, and new haven colleseum printed its own tickets for their own box office.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2017 at 02:08 PM
I was only 8 years old but growing up in Atlanta and having 3 older brothers into rock music and Skynyrd, this was a big deal to this little lad. The band was on absolute fire with Steve Gaines in 1976-1977, exemplified on One More From the Road and Street Survivors.

They were such a big deal in Atlanta that I remember the Rosssington Collins Band coming to the Omni a couple years later and the local news channels reported live from the show.

I did see the 1987 Tribute tour two nights in a row at the Omni when I was 18. Gary, Artimus, Ed, Leon and Billy sounded great (and Johnny was a better singer back then). It was possibly the most electric crowd I've ever heard at a concert. As good as that was, I get that it wasn't the same as having seen the original band with Ed King or later Steve Gaines. What a loss.

 

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  posted on 10/23/2017 at 07:38 PM
I was 11 when this happened, at the time it didn't resonate like it does now. I know some of the musicians don't like the classification, but Southern Rock was and is still my favorite and go to style of music.

Ironic that some bands like Skynyrd and Steely Dan, albeit not southern rock, you only want to hear the songs the way they were played in the studio, deviation would be bad, something about how those songs were originally formed, it would be disapointing to hear any other way.

On the other hand, bands like the Allmans, Marshall Tucker, Charlie Daniels Band made their name on improvising.

I love all of these bands, but to hear the power of Skynyrd live was something to behold. A loss for all of us for sure.

 

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  posted on 11/5/2017 at 05:40 PM
Lynyrd Skynyrd - Uncut 1977 Documentary - Need All My Friends - Rare Survivor Interviews
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haknCvo6ric

 

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  posted on 11/5/2017 at 09:28 PM
Fun to read this. I never saw the original LS.

By a country mile the ABB were my favorite band. That said and most of or possibly, all of you will disagree, but I think Ronnie & Toy Caldwell were the best songwriters out of all the southern bands from that era.

Since Toy wrote the music & lyrics an argument could be made that he was the best. Both were more prolific than Gregg, Dickey etc ...

That's my opinion and I'm sticking to it.

LS was a great band.

 
 


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