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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 11:42 AM
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Would you express your opinion on this to her or Dickey in person?

I don't know if this is intended to read like one of those "Oh yeah? Would you say it to his face??" posts, and forgive my misinterpretation if it's not, but... can we be honest about this? We all know Dickey has been charged at least twice with domestic violence against her. It's been hanging over this whole discussion and I didn't want to bring it up either, but there comes a point where it's just ignoring reality. For that matter he ALSO reportedly threatened some rowers with guns - he just had the sense not to point the gun at anyone like she did. Not to mention the knife incident in "One Way Out."

It would probably be a very bad idea to bring this up with either of them for exactly that reason, but that doesn't make it any less true. And the point of the above is not gossip or judgment; hopefully he's gotten help, and if that's so and they've chosen to stay together, it's their business. But we ought to be honest about what we're talking about, both in talking about him and in talking about what she was just sentenced to jail for.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 12:04 PM
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it's their business


exactly.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 12:13 PM
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exactly.

Since you didn't quote even a full sentence, I'm not sure you're interpreting that line the way it was written.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 12:15 PM
Moved on . Honestly couldn't care less . Hope the Betts are doing ok. nuf said. Peace.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 06:09 PM

5 years probation, mandatory pop quiz drug tests, community service, and 30 days in the clink as well. The sentence sounds fair to me regarding the real issue was triggered by drug or alcohol related reasons.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 06:36 PM
Goob, the real issue is not having the coping and decision making skills that the situation required. Ten people may be faced with the same situation, yet the choices and decisions each makes in regard to the situation can be very different. Her actions at the time of the incident indicate she just did not know what else to do to make them stop. The aggravation went on for a long time, till it led up to a Clint Eastwood type moment (Grand Torino - 'get off my lawn'). I saw some of the videos of the rowers, and I don't know how anyone could deal with that constantly in their back yard, it wasn't just a few kids and their teacher. The situation reached the point that there was no harmony anymore; so what are the options? The most rational one is if that group is not going to change how often they hold classes, how many people there are there, or do something about the noise from the weddings, then the question becomes, do you want to keep living near people who are totally disrupting peace in your lives and if the answer is No, then you got to move on.

Can't get hung up on 'it shouldn't be that way' or 'why do they have to keep doing this sht', it don't matter why, the reality is they will continue as long as they have the property there to do it, and the student base. Do you want that in your life? Things change, when a place becomes unbearable, you got to move on to someplace else. That is the best thing to do to have peace in your life and peace is priceless. Your peace and your health are the most important things. Money comes and goes, but your peace and your health you can take someplace else and be happy.

You just got to take the change, make the choice.

I hope they find find peace, trying to block out the crap by drinking is only just putting a band aid on the wound, it doesn't fix the problem. They love where they live, but they have no peace there, if peace cannot be re-established there, then they have no choice, they got to move on or watch their lives go to hell.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 07:20 PM
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5 years probation, mandatory pop quiz drug tests, community service, and 30 days in the clink as well. The sentence sounds fair to me regarding the real issue was triggered by drug or alcohol related reasons.
Lots of people are doing long stints in prison triggered by drug and alcohol fueled reasons.

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 08:52 PM
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According to Ron Eckerman Ronnie Van Zant knocked Dickey out in a bar in 1977. The pilot story posted above never happened.
What the late Ron Eckerman actually claimed was: Ronnie knocked Dickey out of his chair backstage at an L.S. show [I have my doubts it actually happened]. I agree on the pilot story, by all accounts Ronnie was asleep when the plane crash occurred.

[Edited on 10/15/2017 by pops42]


I thought it was in a hotel bar after a show. Anyway from memory RVZ, one punch Dickey was out. Later Eckermans GF was staying in the room where Ronnie had stayed earlier, and got a knock on the door from a big black guy who kept saying Dickey sent me. Dickey is mentioned several times in that book, including a peace offering to Ronnie via a vial of coke. Dickey told Eckerman to give it to RVZ to do a bump, RVZ did the entire thing and had Eckerman hand it back empty and to tell him thanks. Maybe I'm mixing these stories together?? Either way...

 

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  posted on 10/16/2017 at 11:19 PM
No one was threatening her. Only point a gun when you aim to use it. (pun intended). She got off lucky.
If she had been black she'd be doing 30 years.

And on that note, (cues Humble Pie)
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  posted on 10/17/2017 at 07:08 AM
So the thread is about Donna and her jail time and some people feel the need to bash at Dickey once again. Bringing up decades old domestic dispute charges as if they have any bearing on the topic at all.

Those charges have been "hanging over the whole discussion"? For who? How are 30 year old domestic dispute issues between a couple relevant at all? Enlighten us.

Dickey is not charged with anything and his actions of the past are to blame? They seem to have been married for a very long time but I'm sure that you know more about Dickey and Donna's relationship than anyone. Seems like they have a pretty solid relationship to me. Perhaps rocky at times but that is hardly rare.

We could praise Gregg for his 20th wife and some kids that he tried with all of his might to exclude from his life and literature about him. Read the last few pages and think of what is missing. Sad and pathetic but it's all good, right? Just curious if that topic has been "hanging over this discussion"?

Neither Dickey's nor Gregg's past actions have a thing to do with Donna's jail sentence so using your logic they both must be vital to the discussion.

Just another Dickey bash. I guess you should get them in while you can. Not sure what he ever did to some of you for such hatred.

Shame as he is a great guy and it has always seemed like anyone here who knows him says the same. All the "experts" obviously know more.

Class act as always.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2017 at 08:11 AM
LOL- so the cowardly troll with a different user name reappears. We were almost troll free for a bit.

So you were there on the nights of those incidents and know exactly what happened such as "beating the crap" out of her? Thought so.

Dickey's actions have no bearing on any of this but don't let that stop you from further illogical bashing. Oh I forget you are a Dickey lover from his forum. How could we have missed that?

I never claimed any high road so I am always clear. Just thought if Marley and alter ego users like yourself would like to create imaginary accounts about what may have happen LONG ago in Dickey's life, well we may as well also throw out ACTUAL facts about Gregg.

Just as relevant. Meaning not at all.

So how many other user names do you hide behind? F'N Computer cowards - is there anything more pathetic?



 

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  posted on 10/17/2017 at 09:05 AM
I have a house in Florida so I am a little familiar with the gun laws. Florida has strict gun laws when it comes to pointing a gun at someone. She got off light as she could have gone to jail for a much longer period of time. Pretty fair to say she had an excellent lawyer and the legal bills probably ran in the high five figures. Had she not had the money for that type of lawyer, she would have had to serve a much longer sentence.

 

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  posted on 10/17/2017 at 07:07 PM
CanadianMule, if you can't see a "pattern of behavior" with the Betts as it relates to this incident, then you are just being bullheaded. OF COURSE the fact that Dickey and Donna have a volatile and violent past is "relevant" to this story.

Come on now, man. This isn't "Why is everybody being so mean to Dickey and Donna?" If your last name is Betts and you get arrested for pulling a gun on somebody, this what you are going to get. Don't like it? I got an idea. How about not pulling guns on people?

I'm a Falcons fan. When they blew a lead against the Dolphins last week, and people brought up the Superbowl, I wasn't all outraged about "Why are they bringing that up?" OF COURSE they were going to bring it up, because it naturally made people think "Oh, remember when this same kind of thing happened to these same people?"

In may be lazy analysis in both cases, but don't pretend that it's totally out of left field and has no place in the conversation.

 
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  posted on 10/17/2017 at 08:26 PM
Bessie didn't like her 30 days

https://youtu.be/Ds18uj-3sKc

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Lotta people handle difficult situations without pointing guns at
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  posted on 10/18/2017 at 12:58 AM
Rob

I don't contend that the obvious history of alcohol related Dickey stories will be brought up. Without the Dickey connection, neither us nor the media would be discussing this as Donna would not draw our attention.

But a domestic dispute in 93 is hardly relevant.

Besides I guess we should all just disregard the fact that Dickey didn't do it, or was he charged and he isn't going to jail.

Thank God I don't get judged on every stupid thing that I did 40 years ago. You guys?

 

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  posted on 10/18/2017 at 01:15 AM
I don't feel sorry for her or excuse her actions. Guns are never a solution in a civil world.

But we have owned property in Florida for 50 years now and I have seen many far more deserving of that jail cell.

But as I originally said - she took the risk with her stupid actions.

The circumstances are far beyond what any here have likely ever dealt with. You might not pull a gun in a drunken moment. Or maybe you would? I hope not. Easy to judge.

I don't see that taking joy or wishing ill upon her or especially Dickey accomplishes much besides negativity.

As for the situation at home, I feel for both Dickey and Donna. How many here have had a day camp with hundreds of kids move next door? Wedding bashes on weekends? This happens to you at the dream retirement property you invested in and now stand to lose millions?

I don't think many here have gone through that. I sure haven't and I guarantee that I did something stupid in 1993.

Hell I did in 2017 when I posted on this thread.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2017 at 05:35 AM
Maybe she will find sobriety in her 30 days and maybe a new lease on life.


The twelve steps (by Russell Brand)

1. Are you **** ed?

2. Could you not be **** ed?

3. Are you, on your own, going to "unfuck" yourself?

4. Write down all the things that are **** ing you up or have ever **** ed you up and donít lie, or leave anything out.

5. Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how **** ed you are.

6. Well thatís revealed a lot of **** ed up patterns. Do you want to stop it? Seriously?

7. Are you willing to live in a new way thatís not all about you and your previous, **** ed up stuff? You have to.

8. Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your being so **** ed up.

9. Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.

10. Watch out for **** ed up thinking and behaviour and be honest when it happens.

11. Stay connected to your new perspective.

12. Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if you can.

 

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  posted on 10/18/2017 at 06:16 PM
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Maybe she will find sobriety in her 30 days and maybe a new lease on life.


The twelve steps (by Russell Brand)

1. Are you **** ed?

2. Could you not be **** ed?

3. Are you, on your own, going to "unfuck" yourself?

4. Write down all the things that are **** ing you up or have ever **** ed you up and donít lie, or leave anything out.

5. Honestly tell someone trustworthy about how **** ed you are.

6. Well thatís revealed a lot of **** ed up patterns. Do you want to stop it? Seriously?

7. Are you willing to live in a new way thatís not all about you and your previous, **** ed up stuff? You have to.

8. Prepare to apologize to everyone for everything affected by your being so **** ed up.

9. Now apologize. Unless that would make things worse.

10. Watch out for **** ed up thinking and behaviour and be honest when it happens.

11. Stay connected to your new perspective.

12. Look at life less selfishly, be nice to everyone, help people if you can.


For anyone who wants to fix their lives and or distorted reactions to stuff, Albert Ellis, Rational Emotive Thinking can help those people do it. It can help you see where your thinking/beliefs are distorted, once you fix those, life gets easier, less stressful. Become self-actualized, and if you don't now what that means, find out and improve your life.

 

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For anyone who wants to fix their lives and or distorted reactions to stuff, Albert Ellis, Rational Emotive Thinking can help those people do it. It can help you see where your thinking/beliefs are distorted, once you fix those, life gets easier, less stressful.


Interesting, strange that a person like yourself, who is obsessed with God and religion, would recommend Ellis who is a stone rationalist atheist, a cornerstone of his philosophy being that religion is comparable to mental disorder.

The opening sentence of his essay "THE CASE AGAINST RELIGIOSITY" pretty much sums up his view:

"This article will try to make a succinct and cogent case for the proposition that unbelief, skepticism, and thoroughgoing Atheism not only abet but are practically synonymous with mental health; and that devout belief, dogmatism, and religiousity distinctly contribute to and in some ways are equal to mental or emotional disturbance."

You are a very conflicted personality.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2017 at 05:08 AM
I guess I don't understand why people have to be put into a "box". You can take away what you want and leave the rest. Just because you may not entirely believe everything someone says doesn't mean that you can't agree with them on other things.

Really, we should all be looking for common ground, not our differences. It shows maturity when you can do that.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2017 at 08:17 AM
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I guess I don't understand why people have to be put into a "box". You can take away what you want and leave the rest. Just because you may not entirely believe everything someone says doesn't mean that you can't agree with them on other things.

Really, we should all be looking for common ground, not our differences. It shows maturity when you can do that.


I applaud this post.

Nail on head. Head on nail,

A problem is people buying into pre-laid out schools of thought. Valid ideas exist in both Liberal and Conservative philosophies. Buying into company line politics eliminates one from free thinking. This is one of the reasons I don't discuss politics typically. I am such a mix of conservative, middle of the road, and liberal opinions that no preset ideologist ever agrees with me, or me them. Once people put labels on themselves, they are doomed IMO. Think for oneself, it works.

As for thread topic, I hope regardless of perceived severity, she sees this as a later in life teaching and the future holds more sane choices. Yes, she is lucky, and one should spin luck wisely.

 

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  posted on 10/19/2017 at 07:14 PM
Just talkin bout Shaft . . .

 

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  posted on 10/20/2017 at 04:57 AM
More Gun laws! More tests! More screenings!

LOL.....

Ask yourself this question..."would I ever threaten anyone with a gun"?

How did you get this gun? Were you moments away from actually pulling the trigger? Isn't this type of behavior the core of the problem? I guess we should reward her for her "willpower"....lol. If we went after this kind of crime like we pursue drug users, jails would be full with people showing this type of propensity towards gun violence.

30 days is getting off easy.

 

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