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  posted on 10/5/2017 at 06:06 PM
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Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.


Case in point. Perfect example of someone who should forfeit all firearms upon psychiatric medication prescription.

 

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  posted on 10/5/2017 at 08:11 PM
Nobody is going to take ALL your guns away. Nobody has ever suggested that. We already had what YOU CALL the worst and most liberal president ever (also the only black one), and you still have your guns.

Obama had Democratic control of congress and used that time to, as you say, "shove healthcare down our throats".

Why did he not use those two years to confiscate all your guns and then feed your women and children to the United Nations?

People against reasonable regulation of tools of mass murder are pathetic humans. Try buying a Trans-Am or Camaro if you need to feel tough. It works for a lot of losers.



On a separate note, if the antichrist shows up, don't bet on a machine gun to save you, I am not sure it works like that.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 01:52 PM
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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 02:05 PM
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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 03:25 PM
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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.


If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)

So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 04:12 PM
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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.


Ya know, the only place I can find that graph is at evertown.org, a vary anti-gun website.
Can't find it anywhere on the link you posted.


Ya know, it makes sense that you can find this on an anti-gun site but not on a pro-gun site. To ignore it because of where it came from is lazy.

Answer this question. If guns make us safer, why do we have the most guns in the world and one of the highest murder rates? It seems that guns do not make us safer.


If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)

So you see, we actually have one of the LOWEST homicide per 100,00 rates, not the highest.


We have, by a big margin, the highest death by guns of any country in the world. So, your frequent attempt at semantics aside, why aren’t we safer with th3 most guns of any country in the world? You know, since guns make us safer.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 04:52 PM
"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 05:15 PM
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"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.



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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 05:34 PM
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"If you go the website Goldtop posted you will see that we do not have the highest murder rates, not anywhere close. Bolivia has 47 per 100,000. Most of the Soviet Bloc provinces have a 7+ per 100,000 rate. Many of the Mexican provinces have a 30+ per 100,000 rate. And, there are some with higher rates than that.
(Figures from website provided by Goldtop)"

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Wow! You're argument is that we are safer here than in Bolivia (a third-world country) or the former Soviet Bloc (which is controlled by organized crime, basically) or Mexico (which has drug cartels at war with each other and the government), so we should just accept the fact that people here commit mass-shootings all of the time?

Those are pretty low standards for the most properous nation on the planet.


You are safer in any of those other places because the culture is different. The Latino culture and Spanish also is different than the one most of us see here in America. The people are more normal, they just want to live, have a wife and family and be happy. For the most part competition, vengeance are not part of their lives. Even our curse words, they have no translation in Spanish and no meaning in their culture. There are many other things also but suffice it to say, Spanish culture does not breed psychos and sociopaths. They're good peoples so you have less crime in those places. The drug cartels is another matter, but the average person is not involved with that.

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 05:37 PM
Other things that came out in articles today included that the shooter in this case bought illuminated bullets (tracer rounds) that make it easier to hit targets in the dark. He bought 1,000 rounds of those bullets. He also bought tickets to a concert in Chicago that was to be held in the park and wanted his hotel room to have a view of Grant Park. The guy wanted to go and do mass shootings at concerts in different places.

This is not a random act, he planned, he spent months buying ammo and weapons. This is very disturbing.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/vegas-gunmans-vehicle-may-have-been-prime d-to-explode/ar-AAsZQ8o?li=BBnb7Kz



[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]

 

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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 06:58 PM
To be honest, I believed as everyone else has that the shooting was just as we were told it was, Now, there are questions that need answers.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/04/five-more-things-that-dont-add -up-about-the-las-vegas-massacre-where-is-all-the-expended-brass/

From Mike Adams of Natural News.

1. Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.

So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place. Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired. Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)


2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?
Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above). Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.

Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?

Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:



3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why? I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.

4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…

So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19: s it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.


5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles. Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org.

On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.

Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired? In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow

In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room. This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever.

Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his careven though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas.

There's another something, how did he manage to get 200 pound crates of ammo to his room all by himself and hide it from the maids for several days? That's another question that was asked.


REMARKS: Evil exists in the world, lies, sabotage, subterfuge exist, and there are those that regard human lives as nothing and are willing to use them to advance political agendas. We've been lied to before, we must not get fooled again. Yes all those people are dead, but if it is not possible for ONE man to have done all that, we need to start looking in other directions and blame the other complicitly guilty people. Was Mr. Paddock crazy? Controlled? Grief must not obscure the rruth.


[Edited on 10/7/2017 by gina]

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 07:23 PM
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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 07:31 PM
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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


The receipt in that picture is dated 9/27. Paddock checked in ion 9/28.

http://www.newsweek.com/stephen-paddock-las-vegas-shooting-mandalay-bay-676 259

How many times will you post wrong info from that site before you learn?

 

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  posted on 10/6/2017 at 08:01 PM
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To be honest, I believed as everyone else has that the shooting was just as we were told it was, Now, there are questions that need answers.

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2017/10/04/five-more-things-that-dont-add -up-about-the-las-vegas-massacre-where-is-all-the-expended-brass/

From Mike Adams of Natural News.

1. Now, maybe I’m just a moron who thinks automatic rifles discharge expended brass or something, because the last time I shot my rifle — which was yesterday — hot brass kept blasting out the right side port with every round. Very annoying. I wish I knew how to turn that off.

So, given that Stephen Paddock was firing full-auto rifles in a sustained 10-minute assault, at roughly the rate of six rounds per second, we should probably see massive piles of expended brass all over the place. Let’s see: 6 rounds per second, times 60 seconds in a minute, times 10 minutes of sustained fire… that comes to 3600 rounds of ammunition. If you figure there were pauses in the automatic fire, you could discount that to maybe 3000 rounds actually fired. Again, maybe I’m just stupid or something, but if Paddock fired 3000 rounds, there should be 3000 brass casings all over the floor of the hotel suite. (I know, I’m invoking logic and reason, both of which are banned in modern society and the mainstream media, but bear with me for a moment for the sake of appeasing a really stupid person…)


2) Where are all the carpet burns from hot brass and hot gun barrels?
Now, at 400 C, most of your rifle grease smokes off, making it hard to breathe. After just a few hundred rounds, the air in that hotel room would have been unbearably polluted. It might have even caused global warming, which is exactly why we have to ban automatic weapons (plus full-auto hammers, see above). Given that Stephen Paddock was smoking through thousands of rounds of ammunition, he was generating not only very hot rifles but also extremely hot brass that would have left burn marks in any synthetic carpet.

Where are all the burn marks in the carpet?

Wouldn’t you know it, but the carpet in this room just happened to look like a pattern of burn marks, thereby obscuring the absence of additional burn marks from brass or rifle barrels:



3) When seconds count, the police are only 72 minutes away… but why? I’m not trying to diss the cops here. As you know, I’m an advocate of honest, local police, and it’s clear that the beat cops did a fantastic job helping people seek cover on the ground below. But I do have an issue with the 72-minute response time during a full-auto machine gun spree in a city where there are dozens of cops within a one-mile radius.

4) Um, excuse me but I have another really stupid question…

So you know that rifle with the bipod they found innocently standing in front of the mini-bar? Yeah, I’m talking about this one, labeled #19: s it just me, or does this look exactly the same as the rifle shown in the photo with the dead guy, above? Same flared mag well, same bump fire stock, same bipod and even the same optics, it seems. If only we could see the serial numbers, we might know for sure, but of course they never release photos with that degree of resolution.


5) I swear this is my last really stupid question, but please…This whole scene is being called a “sniper’s nest” by the entire fake news media, but I’ve looked and looked and I still don’t see a sniper rifle anywhere. What I see are a bunch of AR-15s that fire .223 rounds (or 5.56 mm for you metric heads). Sniper rifles are bolt-action rifles, not auto-loading semi-auto rifles. Now, I’ve only fired about 100,000 of these rounds myself, so I’m still a newbie, but the last time I checked, these rounds are usually about 55 grains in mass, and they lose about 75% of their kinetic energy by the time they reach a 400-yard target (the distance from the Mandalay Bay hotel to the concert lot is about 400 yards). You can see the dope yourself at Gundata.org.

On top of that, the bullet drop is 32 inches, which is of course almost three feet of bullet drop. Now, given the elevated angle of the shooter, that bullet drop wouldn’t be quite as dramatic, as the coefficient of a 20 degree declination angle is, of course, 0.94. But the energy of this round at 400 yards makes it only marginally effective. It’s just at the outside boundary of the effective range of a .223 cartridge, as any good Marine will tell you.

Conclusion? All these casualties couldn’t possibly be caused by .223 rounds. Most likely, they were actually heavier rounds fired from something like a belt-fed AK system (7.62 x 39mm rounds), or perhaps even a belt-fed .308 automatic weapon. So where is all the brass, anyway? Did Stephen Paddock possess magical brass that can disappear after being fired? In summary, “mission impossible” could have only been carried out by a miracle Leprechaun who eats brass and makes bullets more effective than the laws of physics allow

In summary of all this, we’re told that a flabby 64-year-old senior citizen accountant with a gambling problem managed to expertly lay down highly effective fields of fire, killing 58 and wounding 500+ people by firing off thousands of .223 rounds well outside their effective range, all while producing merely dozens of pieces of expended brass that were magically cooled before they hit the carpet of his hotel room. This was accomplished, we’re told, by one man firing 10 rifles… wait, no, 27 rifles all by himself, without any military training whatsoever.

Oh, and one more thing: This same guy who meticulously planned the hotel room, the rifles hidden in the luggage, the huge collection of 100-round magazines, the window hammer smashing routine, the concert calendar dates, the monotonous lugging of ammunition to his room and even the guarding of the mini-bar when another assault rifle just happened to mindlessly leave a bag of ammonium nitrate fertilizer in his careven though it has no practical use in this scenario unless you’re growing Azaleas.

There's another something, how did he manage to get 200 pound crates of ammo to his room all by himself and hide it from the maids for several days? That's another question that was asked.


REMARKS: Evil exists in the world, lies, sabotage, subterfuge exist, and there are those that regard human lives as nothing and are willing to use them to advance political agendas. We've been lied to before, we must not get fooled again. Yes all those people are dead, but if it is not possible for ONE man to have done all that, we need to start looking in other directions and blame the other complicitly guilty people. Was Mr. Paddock crazy? Controlled? Grief must not obscure the rruth.


[Edited on 10/7/2017 by gina]


Gina, I'm sorry, I don't like to pick on you or your posts, but this guy is really off the reservation with his "facts".

No "full-auto" rifles were used, and no assault rifles were used.
Brass cools quickly as it goes through the air to where it's not that hot when it hits the floor. I've fired full auto M-16s. As that I'm left handed, the brass sometimes goes down the front of my fatigue jacket (note: the shirt is called a field jacket while the jacket is called a coat)
The brass wasn't hot enough to burn skin, but it did leave a red spot. It would not be hot enough to burn the carpet.
The effective range of the 5.56 round is about 500 yards with the 55 grain bullet, heavier bullets give a longer effective range. But, he wasn't targeting anyone, just putting rounds downrange since the SlideFire isn't about accuracy, it's about upping the rate of fire. Hearing the rate of fire on the videos, he had been doing some practice with the SlideFire.
The type of pattern he laid down is called enfilade fire with a beaten zone. With this type you don't have to aim at individuals, just into a general area.
The majority of rounds went into this zone, and if he used the heavier bullets they would have had plenty of energy to cause casualties.
During his stay he could have loaded up a gym bag each time he left the room and left a Do Not Disturb sign on the door. Lots of ammo could be carried up, and the maids would have stayed out of the room.

 

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Not to get off subject, but there are a million conspiracies everywhere some people look. However, a conspiracy that is being investigated by both houses of congress and the former FBI Director is fake news. Makes a lot of sense, doesn't it?
 

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Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.

 

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Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.


This is the first time I've opened this thread (didn't see a need to) although I have checked repeatedly on the two related ones that I started.

I am SO sorry Ray about your cousin.

This tragedy deeply affected Eric Church who performed at Highway 91 two days before the tragedy occurred. I'm going to find the video of him doing an emotional tribute to the victims and performing the song he wrote just this week about it. May it in some SMALL way help ease your pain...............

http://www.whiskeyriff.com/2017/10/05/an-emotional-eric-church-debuts-new-s ong-why-not-me-he-wrote-for-route-91-harvest-victims/



[Edited on 10/7/2017 by robslob]

 

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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


This is a serious topic. Don't eff it up by bringing infowars into it.


They have a copy of the room service receipt showing that DAYS before the OFFICIAL story says the shooter was at the hotel, he WAS actually at the hotel and ordered food for his room.

The room service receipt shows there were TWO people registered for the room, although I will admit perhaps that is just the computer default because most hotels assume double occupancy.

NEXT, one of the days BEFORE the shooting he had an ADJONING room added to his bill, so THERE was more than just HIM there, and his wife/girlfriend was ALREADY in the PHILLIPINES, so don't tell me these things are NOT important.

 

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Back on page one, I posted that my cousin was killed in this shooting and only one person here offered any condolences to me and my family. Instead your merely argued over one another's political view like always. Seems if your not driving "that" car or riding in it, you have nothing coming from "that" crowd. I thought I was harsh telling those that want to politicize this tragedy to go F themselves. My point was proven as to the mindset of too many people who post here. It's sad that people become so jaded over their own damn opinion, which in the end matters no less or no more than any other one. I just returned from Vegas and my cousins funeral. I return here to see that it's business as usual. The same people doing the same thing they've done for years, and the end result is the same. That is the proverbial definition for insanity. Most of you need to sign up for daycare, cause you react to life like children. Grown ups respond to situations in a pro-active/pro-social manner. Around here "that" car pulls up and the occupants dog pile on anyone who opposes their ever so valued opinions, beliefs, and/or affiliations. If this board is a reflection of where our society is at or headed than it appears we are all F'ed.


People are sorry for everyone's loss including yours. What makes it worse is that there seems to be more here than meets the eye in terms of how these people died; that it wasn't just one person who was in a homicidal state of mind; in addition to that the fact that he planned it well in advance of the attack is more worrisome. Now with Nick Adam's questions, ie. where are the 3,000 shell casings, why were there no burn holes in the carpet, how does a 64 year old out of shape man get crates of ammo that weigh 200 lbs. each up to his room by himself, how does one person fire 27 rifles BEFORE the Swat team arrives, and why does it take the police 72 minutes to respond to an active shooter situation when they were one mile away from the site where all this was going on. The whole thing does not make sense as to what the official story says.

People want to believe it was just one lone crazed gunman, but the facts just do not bear that out.

Some people have said it was a well orchestrated attack because certain governmental forces want to ultimately disarm the public, and the only way to do that is to create enough of an uproar that millions of people will scream we need gun control and gun confiscation. The only way to create that uproar is to kill large amounts of people in a few well planned and orchestrated events, or just keep killing off 50 or 100 in multiple events. The things going on in this country by the evil group who want world control and one world government are beyond the pale.

I know that does not help you with your grief, you need to feel safe that they got the guy who did it, but the facts suggest he was not alone and that there is a big coverup going on and for that we should all be outraged that the 'they' who were involved are getting away with it.

 

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Allright We really need to know. The shooter had another guest with him 4 days before the shooting. . When he ordered food, the waiter noted it on the receipt. So who was there and what was going on, and where is that other person now? Are they still at large, part of a bigger plan for more mass murder?

https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows-paddock-had-another-guest-in-his-roo m-before-shooting/

The receipt shows an employee named Antonio served two guests an “IRD_MB,” which means “In Room Dining, Mandalay Bay.”

The table number is “32135” – which equates to Paddock’s room number (135) on the 32nd floor.

The date on the receipt also says September 27, whereas authorities assert that Paddock checked in the day after on September 28.

Paddock’s guest could not have been his girlfriend Marilou Danley because she was in the Philippines at the time.

The individual who posted the receipt appears to have deleted it from his Facebook page, although the page still shows that he works at Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino.

Another source told Laura Loomer that the gunman actually checked in on September 25, three days before authorities said he did


REMARKS: WHY is there a discrepancy as to the date Mr. Paddock (the shooter) checked into the hotel? He ordered and ate food on the 27th, but authorities say he did not check in until the 28th? He was with another person on the 27th and they ordered food sent to his room. What is going on here?

[Edited on 10/6/2017 by gina]


This is a serious topic. Don't eff it up by bringing infowars into it.


They have a copy of the room service receipt showing that DAYS before the OFFICIAL story says the shooter was at the hotel, he WAS actually at the hotel and ordered food for his room.

The room service receipt shows there were TWO people registered for the room, although I will admit perhaps that is just the computer default because most hotels assume double occupancy.

NEXT, one of the days BEFORE the shooting he had an ADJONING room added to his bill, so THERE was more than just HIM there, and his wife/girlfriend was ALREADY in the PHILLIPINES, so don't tell me these things are NOT important.



As I showed you earlier, although you obviously either ignored or didn't read, that receipt is from 9/27 and he checked in on 9/28. And he didn't have an adjoining room, he had a large suite.

 

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That's right the receipt is from 9/27 meaning he was there before the OFFICIAL report says he was, or someone else was there using his room. Either way, whether he had a friend using the room, who was it, where is that person, or the official story is not true about when he arrived. Other stories have said he arrived several days before the shooting because he had to bring all that equipment up there (weapons, ammo), you can't exactly fit a cache like that on a standard luggage rack can you?

 

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That's right the receipt is from 9/27 meaning he was there before the OFFICIAL report says he was, or someone else was there using his room. Either way, whether he had a friend using the room, who was it, where is that person, or the official story is not true about when he arrived. Other stories have said he arrived several days before the shooting because he had to bring all that equipment up there (weapons, ammo), you can't exactly fit a cache like that on a standard luggage rack can you?


He checked in on 9/28. The room was occupied by someone else on 9/27. What is so hard about that? And he did check in early. The shooting was on 10/2, 3 days afte4 he checked. Are you saying that you know more that the Las Vegas police?

 

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I'm tired of your prosecutorial stance on anything. I pointed out anomalies. The stuff was ordered by HIM in his room as far as the articles suggest. There are more articles about things related to the event, but the bottom line is, those who were involved got away with it once again.

 

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I'm tired of your prosecutorial stance on anything. I pointed out anomalies. The stuff was ordered by HIM in his room as far as the articles suggest. There are more articles about things related to the event, but the bottom line is, those who were involved got away with it once again.



Too bad. The police stated the facts. Are you calling them liars? They have been holding press conferences almost daily dealing with the timeline of events. They are easily found online. It amazes me that someone who is miles away knows more than the people dealing with it. Maybe you should research rather than posting lies that fit your agenda. It usually takes about 3 minutes of research to prove you wrong. And I am far from the only person that calls out your BS.

[Edited on 10/12/2017 by jkeller]

 
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