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  posted on 10/3/2017 at 03:07 PM
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Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.


Actions speak louder than words. Our Legislators actions say we love our gun more than we love our children or the innocent lives taken.

All US lives take in War 1.3 million US lives lost to gun violence since 1968 1.5 million

 

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There is so much good in the world and in our country, so many people that care and do for eachother...yet there is this persistent evil that shows it's ugly head and inflicts pain and suffering and death. It's not new, one of the first things I thought of was Charles Whitman shooting from a tall building 50 years ago. But is there more of it now, or do we have more defective people?

I go to a park, concert, sporting event or to a restaurant and I see people enjoying life, with their friends, family or even alone. Then I think, how many of these people fantasize about mass killing? Does the person at the cash register go home and envision their plan for violence against innocent people? Is that person on the bus two rows in front of me thinking about killing all of us?


This should be our next tourism marketing campaign for the US! Come to America, where its own citizens wonder daily about being slaughtered like sheep by their own and do nothing about it!

 

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This should be our next tourism marketing campaign for the US! Come to America, where its own citizens wonder daily about being slaughtered like sheep by their own and do nothing about it!


Believe me that conversation is being had around the world, at least it is down here in OZ.

 

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Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.



When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.

No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.

Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!


Gimmie a damn break lib boy!You missed the point
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's.It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.

 

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It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.


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.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's. It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.


Wow, this post was written by someone who clearly doesn't understand how to use the possessive apostrophe! Luke, tell us, what is your excuse for a grown-a$$ white American man, with every privilege and resource at his fingertips, to not know how to write or speak English?

 

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Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.



When the heart can fling 1000's of rocks 500 yards and kill many then we can discuss rock control...your argument is senseless. I don't think he could sneak in a catapult into his hotel room.

No one needs an assault weapon. No one needs dozens of them...also no one wants to take your freeking hunting rifle away.

Military grade weapons have no place in a civil public society. They need to be military only!!


Gimmie a damn break lib boy!You missed the point
.I wasn't actually referring to slinging rocks vrs shooting bullet's.It is the state of mind/thinking, mankind has sunk to.I didn't see any shooting's etc in protest to Hillary,Obama.And i ain't talkin bout a punch thrown at a rally.Even though the punk had it coming.I am talkin bout when at a baseball game fund raiser practice when Scaleise was shot.And why? Because they were republican's.And at this country concert there were thousand's of Trump supporter's.What about Antifa,liberal college's that riot when a conservative is gonna speak.And all the while preaching free speech.Gimmie a damn break Mr Gold Top.
Yeah man.Ban Ar-15's,10's etc,30 round and up magazine's etc.Let's see where that all wind's up.It is not about the gun's!!!!!It is about the heart.



Oh Luke....Bless your heart!!!...seems to me you're the one who missed the point....see we all know people do the killing...that's obvious and an old argument....we need to limit access to military weapons so when their heart goes wrong they don't have weapons of mass destruction....

 

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  posted on 10/4/2017 at 11:42 AM
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Cain killed Abel with a rock.


There is no mention in Genesis of Cain using a rock to kill Abel.

 

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.

 

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




+1...It seems to those who own guns there is no middle ground. That man could not have done what he did with a shotgun or a pistol...Nobody wants to take away your hunting rifle but on one needs military grade weapons or drums, magazines and belts of ammo unless they are in the military... Those are for war

Our legislators have spoken loudly. Guns are more important than innocent lives or our children

20+ children were slaughtered and not 1 thing changed....Actions always speak louder than words or this case no action speaks

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  posted on 10/4/2017 at 02:40 PM
Here's every gun control debate in a nutshell:

But it won't stop someone hell bent on causing harm.

Yeah, and?

Therefore we shouldn't add more laws because it's a waste.

How do you know for sure it won't prevent one or more, or decrease the amount of lives lost?

I don't. But you don't know that it will help.

True. So we both don't know for sure, but shouldn't we err on the side of caution?

No because that would take away some of my rights and freedoms.

So what do you propose we do?

Pray for the victims. Hold the shooter accountable.

How will that prevent future mass shootings? And the shooters normally off themselves.

It won't, and I know.

Well shouldn't we ban the public from buying WMD's?

No.

Well shouldn't we prevent terrorists and the deranged from buying WMD's?

No.

Really?

Really.

Why would you allow terrorists and the mentally ill to buy WMD's?

Because to stop them would take away some of my rights, and they can use other methods to kill.

So you would rather them legally buy WMD's from a store rather than seek them out illegally on the black market, so that you don't have to prove yourself capable and responsible?

Yes, that's exactly what I'm saying.

 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries



 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.

 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge

 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


These stats are hardly new. Anyone who questions them at this point is either clueless or doesn't want to face reality.

 

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Cain killed Abel with a rock.
It's about the heart,not gun's.
The mentality,morality,common sense,disrespect factor etc in this country has gone to hell.
But by all means,,,take all the gun's away.I am quite sure that will make everything just peachy again.




You know darn well the guns are just a tool. People need to look at the reasons, not the methodology.

 

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Chalking it up to "evil" leaves us in the dark and helpless, cowering in fear of the unexplained. People used to think disease was "evil". Dark age mentality. Things happen for a reason. When people go off the rails it isn't due to "persistent evil". This shooter was a millionaire, supposedly normal though antisocial guy, problem gambler, probably alcoholic, worth looking at the toxicology for SSRI, which seems to be a common trigger for psychotic fugues, keeps showing up in these "senseless" events, done by people who nobody would dream would do such a thing.


I wanted to say maybe he just hated country music, and was tired and the noise bothered him, but he had an arsenal of weapons and ammo, so there was some other reason.

 

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.

 

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.




When was the last time you said, "Wow, people are dropping I.E.D.s out of cargo planes and blowing up fertilizer-laden trucks every time I turn on the news,"?

Guns make it easy and convenient. Period. Guns are the problem we have right now, not trucks or airplanes. Why is it so hard to say that they are causing a problem that needs a solution?

 

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If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. We can't even have a conversation about gun control solutions without people sh1tting their pants because the NRA has put it in heads that the government will take away ALL guns, which is something no one ever proposed ever (Of course, deflecting the conversation to minority 20 year-olds with hand guns in Chicago and away from Angry White Man after Angry White Man only exposes latent racism, since it's not the same issue).

The Vegas shooter had several semi-automatic guns. Automatic guns are strictly regulated and rare, but he legally bought a device that converted his semi-automatic weapons into automatic weapons. Why is this device legal? It clearly circumnavigates a protective regulation. It's apparent there is a hole in our regulations that endangers us all.

But as long as these mass murderers are viewed as great customers as opposed to monsters, and so many obtuse people refuse to even discuss solutions, more people in this country will be needlessly murdered.




If he didn't have a gun, he could have had a cargo plane and thrown some ied's out into a crowd anyplace, whatever the ied's didn't kill, the stampedes would. How can you be safe? Avoid big crowds so you have room to run and take cover anywhere? Just stay home as much as possible?

Look at Oklahoma City, a fertilizer laden bomb truck killed people at the federal bldg. Should we ban trucks? Fertilizer?

You need to look at why people are angry and want to kill large amounts of other people. Find out all the reasons because these people do have reasons. The media can say it is a senseless tragedy. There are reasons, they just do not know why so they do not know what else to say.

There are people with no regard for anyone else's rights or lives, we need to look at WHY they think that way because when they think that way, they may ACT that way.




Oh brother...(Shaking my head).....Yep he could have flown over with boxes of letter openers and rig the boxes to open and people would be impaled by letter openers as they feel on them.....Or he could have had a stash of boulder and dropped them from the sky....he could have hired zombies to march on the crowd with screwdriver stabbing people in the ear

To use a cargo plane you must register your flight with the FAA and fly in the fly zone or they will come after you with military planes...but I guess you're unaware of that

 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.

 

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https://www.unodc.org/gsh/

United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.

Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.

Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....

 

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There is plenty of data that shows how many more are killed here by gun violence then other free but gun controlled countries






Where do those statistics come from? Links please.


United nations database of gun violence by country.....Can't accept it...sad....bury your head in the sand and be blind to facts...

We are all tired of the NRA rhetoric...they're a phucking club and should have the same say as the moose lodge


Can't accept something that doesn't have any background to it. I could post graphs with all kinds of stuff on it, but without any background it don't mean crap.
Sad that you would want me to accept something you won't even try to provide a link to, or give a source.


You make unsubstantiated claims quite often. Perhaps from here on, you should provide links as well.

 

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United Nations database on crimes...do the research yourself and take your head out of the sand.

Obviously your right to own a gun is more important to you then public safety.

Again....no one wants your pistol to protect your home or your shotgun or deer rifle....We don't need military grade weapons except in the military...wanna play with one join the military other than that I'll play my thumb violins for your want to unload 500 rounds in a second for the thrill of it....



For the most part nobody needs an assault rifle, however, what happens when the anti-Christ and his minions launch their plan to rule the world and enslave every free person? At that point revolution will come to our shores, as well as every other country on the earth. What then? People should just bow down to the demonic elite and be enslaved?

What happens when they want everyone to take the mark of the beast, and if you refuse they drag you out with their SWAT team because you are a troublemaker?

Do a free people have a right to defend themselves against such dictatorial tyranny or should they politely give up their weapons now so they can be enslaved later on?

Those who want to do these mass shootings for their own unknown reasons are just outliers aside from the regular person who wants to live free and not be enslaved by a dictatorial regime led by evil, demonic people.





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