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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 09:54 AM
Let me preface this by saying that, although budgetary constraints prevented me from heading over to the Beacon this year, I can only imagine how good the band sounds. The new covers and the old standars probably sound as wonderful as I imagine.

Regardless, I'm a little dissapointed at the lack of new ABB original material. Gregg said two years ago that the band had enough original material left over AFTER "HTM" to record a new record.

Two years later, we have yet to hear even one of those songs. I'd be lying if I said that didn't dissapoint me. For a band with 4 solid writers, to not come up with even one new song since 2002 is very disheartening. At this rate, we'd be lucky to get a new record by 2007, if the HTN process is any indication. Songs were debuted in 2001 and then 2002, but we didn't see a record until 2003. If the band debuts stuff this summer, 2006/07 would be the earliest we should expect anything new.

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:09 AM
I see where you are coming from. One thing I have noticed is that since Dickey left the band, they don't play any of the songs that he used to sing. This has limited what they have been playing over the past few years. There isn't as much differentiation (I think this is a word) between shows as there used to be. The band has made this choice. Certainly for those of us who loved the Dickey songs, this has been somewhat of a disappointment. However, I think the guys have taken the band in a great direction. "Hittin the Note" is their best studio album, top to bottom, since "Eat a Peach". If you remember, they started playing songs from the album at least one year before its release. I think covering songs like "Layla", "Key to the Highway" and others is a great idea. Brothers fans are music fans first and foremost and they have a great appreciation for other songs. I was at the Beacon last year when Butch introduced "Layla" and the roof almost came off. While I look forward to new material, I am really satisfied with how the band is approaching their live shows. I would have never expected the band to play this well when Dickey left. It is a real blessing and I truly appreciate it. Have fun at the Beacon, Peachheads.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:11 AM
not me, but only because i was not overly familair with their old stuff to begin with, so i am digging getting all i can out of that.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:14 AM
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If the band debuts stuff this summer, 2006/07 would be the earliest we should expect anything new.
Anyone share my sentiments?


As a latecomer to this scene, I don't share those sentiments...I have a lot to catch up on and a lot to look forward to...It's a great thought that they will be around for a while and that I will have plenty of time to see them. Cool! 2007!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:20 AM
They have already played 52 different songs in only 5 shows! Thats a really good number and we still have 4 to go! Do you realize in 1994 they played only 35 different songs for the whole year! Dickey and Great Southern play literally the same material night after night! But if the fans aren't complaing then...so be it. They are still there to see Dickey play guitar.

The ABB are mixing it up really nicely...and I would consider "Gilded Splinters" and "Afro Blue" etc new songs anyway...cause they are interpreted in their own way which makes them now ABB songs. They have to create brand-new jams which equates to new music. The shows have been off the charts, there is no need to be overly picky here...

I'm sure at some point this year Warren and Gregg will be writing again...
and we all know thats good news!

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:29 AM
i'm really really looking forward to a new DB&GS cd...the new tunes they are working in sound great!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:30 AM
Me too Linnie.
 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:30 AM
Not in the least to me. Thursday's show at the Beacon was the best Allman Brothers Band show I ever seen, including the times with the original lineup. Friday's show was even better. If they would have walked off the stage after Whipping Post and said no encore, that's all we got, I'd believe it. Then they did a scorching Southbound. If they'd encored with Layla I'd still be there in my chair. Saturday's show was also killer, tempered a bit for me because there were some repeats. But for anyone who got there and Saturday's show was their first, fuggitaboutit!! Unreal!!
The setlists from the original ABB were no where as exstensive as now and the music is absolutley exhillarating. I'll never forget the feeling I had when WP wrapped up Friday night. Whew!!!! So, new or old, it truly is all good!!!

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:33 AM
Can't say it bugs me at all. Friday night's show was fantastic and Saturday night's topped that. I think this is the best form I have seen them in ever. They are simply incredible. The Bros could go out there an play Hawaiian music and it would sound great.
 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:35 AM
I will say that you have a valid opinion on this one, Frank, but I disagree. If you look at the history of the band, many of "their" songs are interpretations of other material, just like the jazz greats. Mountain Jam, technically, isn't an Allman Brothers original, neither is One Way Out, Statesboro, etc.

"There isn't as much differentiation (I think this is a word) between shows as there used to be."

Wow, Paul, I'm at a loss to understand this. I think if you crunched the numbers you would find that there is more variety in the setlists right now than there has ever been in the history of the band. I understand what you're saying about missing the Dickey tunes, there are a lot of them I miss myself. But I am genuinely puzzled as to how anybody could make the above statement. It wasn't too long ago that, if you were paying attention to the last few shows, you would know EXACTLY what the setlist was going to be on a given night.

 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:40 AM
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I see where you are coming from. One thing I have noticed is that since Dickey left the band, they don't play any of the songs that he used to sing. This has limited what they have been playing over the past few years. There isn't as much differentiation (I think this is a word) between shows as there used to be. The band has made this choice.


Boy, I have to totally disagree with this. The songs they don't play of Dickey's are those that Dickey sang, which makes sense to me. But as a few have already pointed out, the setlists the last few years have been incredibly diverse. They're mixing it up more than they ever did when Dickey was in the band (No knock on Dickey. That's just the way it was).

As to the original post, I was kind of surprised that they didn't introduce something new, but it certainly didn't take anything away from the shows. I'll take this year over 2002 any time, when it seemed the entire Beacon run was the band trying to work the kinks out of the new stuff.

 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:43 AM
Paul is right if you take his comments very literally. There used to be two setlists that the band stuck to very rigidly, so there were definite, differentiated sets. There's less of that now, but I'll gladly trade that for the variety we have now. There wasn't much drama in knowing song number four was going to be Blue Sky and the encore was No One to Run With every night.

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:48 AM
Agreed Marley. It's always a thrill to never know what was next. My first trip to the Beacon I was told there was a "3-set rotation" that was stuck to fairly rigidly, give or take a song or two. I have to give some (most?) of the credit for this new diversity to Warren.
 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:53 AM
I think there was one year they went as far as three sets (with a little overlap), but after that they went back to two.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:54 AM
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There wasn't much drama in knowing song number four was going to be Blue Sky and the encore was No One to Run With every night.


It would make tape trading EXTREMELY boring, to say the least!!

Those that state the covers are "new" songs do have a point - material like Afro-Blue definitely needs work, to arrange it; one doesn't just learn the chord charts and blast through it!

I would have liked some new original material but, given the large number of new covers introduced, I find it hard to imagine that any band could cope with so much new material in one go. Even the Grateful Dead who, in the past, played some monster break-out shows (2/18/71 and 2/9/73 spring immediately to mind), never managed more than half-a-dozen new originals and cover tunes in one go - it's simply too much to cope with, and could only adversely affect the quality of the playing.

Bear in mind that some of these covers could be Beacon "one-offs", never to be repeated - I'm hopeful that we'll see something new from them in the summer.

 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 10:55 AM
As I posted the other day....just 5 years ago we literally knew we were getting a Statesboro opener, Blue Sky the 3rd or 4th song, Liz Reed was the long jam tune near the end of the show and "Left to Run With" was was the encore virtually every night . Everyone is entitled to an opinion but it happens to be "fact" that they are playing almost twice as many songs as they used to.

I'm not sure how these things can even be said. You need to see the shows...amazing!

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Is Anyone Else A Little Dissapointed...

Well I think you have your answer...No!


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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:06 AM
No dissappointment here, it's all good to me. I love what the band is doing and the direction they are taking. I really got what Butch was saying about that in his GB post.

BTW, the DB&GS shows I have from this year have identical setlists.

 

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It would make tape trading EXTREMELY boring, to say the least!!

Where it really got to be a problem is if you went to a few shows spread out and got the same setlist over and over. That happened to us at the Beacon in 2000.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:09 AM
Known Rider, I have to agree with you. The Hawaiian ABB would be schmokin'
I'd love to hear Derek's take on Aloha Oe sting Time No More or Leave My Tiny Bubbles at Home.
Well, at least it'd be a great road trip!

 

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It would make tape trading EXTREMELY boring, to say the least!!

Where it really got to be a problem is if you went to a few shows spread out and got the same setlist over and over. That happened to us at the Beacon in 2000.


That was my first year. I only went to two shows but was told there were three setlists during the run. I never cared enough to check , but I suppose one could.

 
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Where it really got to be a problem is if you went to a few shows spread out and got the same setlist over and over. That happened to us at the Beacon in 2000.


It happened to me over a 10 year period. They used to have a tendency to play the same thing every time they came to Atlanta. I saw basically the same show in 93 and 94. Then I didn't see Whipping Post played again until 2001! Frustrating to say the least.

 
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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:16 AM
Wow, that really hurts. A quick glance at 2000 Beacon sets says No One to Run With was played 10 times out of 13 shows, always as either the encore or first of a two-song encore.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:17 AM
Here's all the setlists from that run. I'll take the current setlists anyday over these! What is this song, Shady Streets? I don't think I've ever heard it.

Mar 9, 2000 (Thu) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Leave My Blues at Home
3. Crazy Love
4. Black Hearted Woman
5. Shady Streets
6. Midnight Rider
7. J.J.'s Alley
8. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
Set II:
9. True Gravity
10. You Don't Love Me
11. Please Call Home
12. Change My Way of Living
13. End Of The Line
14. High Falls
15. Revival
Encore:
16. One Way Out
17. Whipping Post

Mar 10, 2000 (Fri) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Every Hungry Woman
2. Stand Back
3. Seven Turns
4. Dreams
w/Duane Betts and Berry Oakley, Jr.
5. Good Clean Fun
6. Back Where It All Begins
Set II:
7. Don't Want You No More
8. It's Not My Cross To Bear
9. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
10. Blue Sky
11. Rave On
12. Feel So Bad
13. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Encore:
14. Nobody Knows
15. No One To Run With

Mar 11, 2000 (Sat) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Trouble No More
2. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
3. Blue Sky
4. Rave On
5. Feel So Bad
6. Every Hungry Woman
7. Jessica
Set II:
8. Midnight Rider
9. Ramblin' Man
10. Melissa
11. Nobody Knows
12. Dreams
w/Duane Betts & Berry Oakley
13. High Falls
Encore:
14. One Way Out
15. No One To Run With

Mar 13, 2000 (Mon) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Leave My Blues at Home
3. Crazy Love
4. Rave On
5. Black Hearted Woman
6. Shady Streets
7. Midnight Rider
8. J.J.'s Alley
9. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
Set II:
10. True Gravity
11. You Don't Love Me
12. Please Call Home
13. Change My Way of Living
14. End Of The Line
15. High Falls
16. Revival
Encore:
17. Whipping Post

Mar 14, 2000 (Tue) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
4. Back Where It All Begins
5. Stormy Monday
6. Seven Turns
7. One Way Out
Set II:
8. Feel So Bad
9. Stand Back
10. Rave On
11. Blue Sky
12. Every Hungry Woman
13. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Encore:
14. Nobody Knows
15. No One To Run With

Mar 16, 2000 (Thu) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Trouble No More
2. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
3. Blue Sky
4. Rave On
5. Feel So Bad
6. Every Hungry Woman
7. Jessica
Set II:
8. Midnight Rider
9. Ramblin' Man
10. Melissa
11. Nobody Knows
12. Dreams
13. High Falls
Encore:
14. No One To Run With
15. Whipping Post

Mar 17, 2000 (Fri) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Leave My Blues at Home
3. Crazy Love
4. Rave On
5. Black Hearted Woman
6. Shady Streets
7. Midnight Rider
8. J.J.'s Alley
9. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
Set II:
10. True Gravity
11. You Don't Love Me
12. Please Call Home
13. Change My Way of Living
14. End Of The Line
15. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
16. Revival
Encore:
17. No One To Run With
18. Nobody Knows

Mar 18, 2000 (Sat) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
4. Back Where It All Begins
5. Stormy Monday
6. Seven Turns
7. Good Clean Fun
Set II:
8. Feel So Bad
9. Stand Back
10. Rave On
11. Blue Sky
12. Every Hungry Woman
13. One Way Out
14. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Encore:
15. Nobody Knows
16. No One To Run With

Mar 20, 2000 (Mon) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Trouble No More
2. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
3. Blue Sky
4. Rave On
5. Feel So Bad
6. Every Hungry Woman
7. Jessica
Set II:
8. Midnight Rider
9. Ramblin' Man
10. Stormy Monday
w/Susan Tedeschi, vocals and Dr. John, keyboard
Worried 'Bout You Baby
w/Susan Tedeschi, guitar and vocals
Dr. John, keyboard and Yonrico Scott, drums
11. Nobody Knows
12. Dreams
13. High Falls
Encore:
14. Whipping Post

Mar 21, 2000 (Tue) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Leave My Blues at Home
3. Crazy Love
4. Rave On
5. Black Hearted Woman
6. Shady Streets
7. Midnight Rider
8. J.J.'s Alley
9. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
Set II:
10. True Gravity
11. You Don't Love Me
12. Please Call Home
13. Change My Way of Living
14. End Of The Line
15. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
16. Revival
Encore:
17. Nobody Knows
18. No One To Run With

Mar 23, 2000 (Thu) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Don't Want You No More
2. It's Not My Cross To Bear
3. Ain't Wastin' Time No More
4. Back Where It All Begins
5. Stormy Monday
6. Seven Turns
7. Good Clean Fun
Set II:
8. Feel So Bad
9. Stand Back
10. Rave On
11. Blue Sky
12. Every Hungry Woman
13. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
Encore:
14. Nobody Knows
15. No One To Run With

Mar 24, 2000 (Fri) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Trouble No More
2. Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
3. Blue Sky
4. One Way Out
5. Rave On
6. Every Hungry Woman
7. Jessica
Set II:
8. Midnight Rider
9. Ramblin' Man
10. Melissa
11. Nobody Knows
12. Dreams
13. High Falls
Encore:
14. Whipping Post
15. No One To Run With

Mar 25, 2000 (Sat) Allman Brothers Band Beacon Theatre New York, New York
Tape: List | Request
1. Statesboro Blues
2. Leave My Blues at Home
3. Crazy Love
4. Rave On
5. Black Hearted Woman
6. Blue Sky
7. Midnight Rider
8. J.J.'s Alley
9. Sailin' 'Cross The Devil's Sea
Set II:
10. True Gravity
11. You Don't Love Me
12. Please Call Home
13. Change My Way of Living
14. End Of The Line
15. In Memory of Elizabeth Reed
w/Dick Griffin, trombone
16. Revival
Encore:
17. Whipping Post


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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:18 AM
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Not in the least to me. Thursday's show at the Beacon was the best Allman Brothers Band show I ever seen, including the times with the original lineup. Friday's show was even better. If they would have walked off the stage after Whipping Post and said no encore, that's all we got, I'd believe it. Then they did a scorching Southbound. If they'd encored with Layla I'd still be there in my chair. Saturday's show was also killer, tempered a bit for me because there were some repeats. But for anyone who got there and Saturday's show was their first, fuggitaboutit!! Unreal!!
The setlists from the original ABB were no where as exstensive as now and the music is absolutley exhillarating. I'll never forget the feeling I had when WP wrapped up Friday night. Whew!!!! So, new or old, it truly is all good!!!


I never thought I'd see the day when someone said that a show they saw in 2004 bettered anything they ever saw from this band WITH THE ORIGINAL LINEUP. Wow. To each his own I guess, but how could ANY lineup top the Duane era???

 

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  posted on 3/24/2004 at 11:24 AM
Well Tom, since all we have of the original band are recordings that capture about one tenth of the power of the band, including LAFE, and this band is making some incredibly scorching music right now, I can say what is going on now is much more exciting than listening to a pile half rate recordings. Hey, I had a great surf and turf back in '71, but the one I had last night sure was better. Cherish the past Bro, don't live in it.

 

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