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I am disgusted with the NFL (No F'n Logic). I think it's moronic and misguided. I will not support them or their sponsors. It's a false narrative. 3 more African Americans shot dead this weekend in Chicago. Is THAT why the Steelers were afraid to come out of the locker room? Only the honorable stood hand on heart for the National Anthem.

The 3 dead brought the years total of shot and killed in gang violence to 500 in Chicago. "500" just in Chicago. Why don't any of these a-holes go to their inner cities and preach family values, Fathers taking care of their children, staying in school and off the streets. The police are the victims and yet cops as pigs socks actually exist are a product and then they're worn. BLM? That's what the NFL is crawling in bed with? What a joke. "When 5 cops shot and killed in Dallas the NFL bans any team tribute to honor them, but allows this. They have become the "pigs". The police are diverse, they're mostly military as we want composed trained individuals to respond to emergencies. They have seen the trauma of the world. When we need them they come, for loved ones passings to "shots fired" reports. When the B.O.L.O.'s (be on the lookout) and APB's (all points bulletins) describes certain individuals it's in the public interest to stop those who fit the description. If the witnesses called in scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk shooting people, EVERY scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk needs to be stopped and investigated. Is that not common sense? A beautiful young black police officer was just assassinated in NYC a few months ago. She was not only a police officer, she was also a single mother of 2 sweet kids. Where was the outrage when a black man walked up and shot her in the head point blank for no reason while she sat in her car on a night shift trying to make ends meet. I take a knee to the stupidity of it all.

Promote responsibility, don't have 10 kids with 5 different women and abandon them all. You just destroyed lives not created. Promote staying in school and being responsible American citizens not American burdens. Antifa? I'm shedding tears for what this country once was and to what it's becoming. I take a knee to the NFL and it's lost cause of lost causes. Misguided buffoonery. F' em.

God Bless the USA and it's Men and Women who serve proudly and sadly suffer due to all this crap.



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Oh, didn't you know that to most of the protesters and quite a few people around here, the police are the enemy of the people? The time spent reading these forums is sometimes a suspension of rationality and logic. Accept that and you can get a few good laughs from most of these people. Oh yeah, also accept that if you disagree with them, that automatically makes you a racist, homophobic, intolerant misogynistic, neocon, fascist. I hate when that happens.




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I am disgusted with the NFL (No F'n Logic). I think it's moronic and misguided. I will not support them or their sponsors. It's a false narrative. 3 more African Americans shot dead this weekend in Chicago. Is THAT why the Steelers were afraid to come out of the locker room? Only the honorable stood hand on heart for the National Anthem.

The 3 dead brought the years total of shot and killed in gang violence to 500 in Chicago. "500" just in Chicago. Why don't any of these a-holes go to their inner cities and preach family values, Fathers taking care of their children, staying in school and off the streets. The police are the victims and yet cops as pigs socks actually exist are a product and then they're worn. BLM? That's what the NFL is crawling in bed with? What a joke. "When 5 cops shot and killed in Dallas the NFL bans any team tribute to honor them, but allows this. They have become the "pigs". The police are diverse, they're mostly military as we want composed trained individuals to respond to emergencies. They have seen the trauma of the world. When we need them they come, for loved ones passings to "shots fired" reports. When the B.O.L.O.'s (be on the lookout) and APB's (all points bulletins) describes certain individuals it's in the public interest to stop those who fit the description. If the witnesses called in scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk shooting people, EVERY scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk needs to be stopped and investigated. Is that not common sense? A beautiful young black police officer was just assassinated in NYC a few months ago. She was not only a police officer, she was also a single mother of 2 sweet kids. Where was the outrage when a black man walked up and shot her in the head point blank for no reason while she sat in her car on a night shift trying to make ends meet. I take a knee to the stupidity of it all.

Promote responsibility, don't have 10 kids with 5 different women and abandon them all. You just destroyed lives not created. Promote staying in school and being responsible American citizens not American burdens. Antifa? I'm shedding tears for what this country once was and to what it's becoming. I take a knee to the NFL and it's lost cause of lost causes. Misguided buffoonery. F' em.

God Bless the USA and it's Men and Women who serve proudly and sadly suffer due to all this crap.

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Oh, didn't you know that to most of the protesters and quite a few people around here, the police are the enemy of the people? The time spent reading these forums is sometimes a suspension of rationality and logic. Accept that and you can get a few good laughs from most of these people. Oh yeah, also accept that if you disagree with them, that automatically makes you a racist, homophobic, intolerant misogynistic, neocon, fascist. I hate when that happens.



I was going to let this thread die with this last post, but being a teacher, I figured I had to use it for a lesson. I almost didn't know where to begin, but I figured I'd begin at the end and work my way backwards.

There is a difference between "being" a racist and using a racist slur. Most often, some one says something racist (often innocently) and it's pointed out to them thusly: "That's racist" and the person who hears it misinterprets that as "You're a racist" or homophobe or misogynist, etc. An example would be when someone says "I paid too much, I got gyped" I used to say that until it was pointed out to me that it was a slur from the term Gypsy. Was I being racist? No, but I was using a term that is racist. When I learned about it, I stopped. So, you're not being called a racist, but if you are saying something racist, sexist, etc and someone is calling you one it, own it and stop using the term.

Yes, I heard about a black police officer killed in her car. It is tragic and there was plenty of outrage. Maybe you missed it?

As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens. Racial profiling exists and there really are such things as DWB (driving while black) but many people are unaware of it, or choose to overlook it.

The police, like all other jobs, have people who are good at it and bad at it. I would likely put them into 2 categories: Those that chose the job because they want to help others and see that as one of the best ways to do it and those who were bullied and picked on and want to get back at everyone by doing it themselves. The former make great cops, the latter, the worst. Some police are victims, some are perpetrators and predators.

As for your racist stereotypes of people living in inner cities, all I can say is that there are some who likely fit your grotesque characterization and there are most that don't. Some just get a lot of press because it makes good headlines. Yes there is gang violence but the real question should be Why and what can we do to help kids make a better choice. Why is it that when someone takes a stand against something like police brutality and racism, others try to bring up something else? Black lives matter is a beautiful slogan and yet people wanted to take it as "others don't" when nothing could be further from the truth? Do you also go to Breast cancer rallies and scream about testicular cancer and tell them they are being sexist and uncaring to all others??

As for the football players going to the inner cities to "preach family values": 1. Who's family? Yours? Mine? I'll bet they differ greatly...and 2. I see them do this ALL THE TIME. They are running shelters, donating huge sums of money, creating opportunities, funding incentives, etc. Look it up. All-The-Time.

Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin, etc. Even tiny things, such as this: When you have a boo-boo at a store and ask for a band-aid, the one you get blends to your skin...unless you are African American. Think about that for a second. As H. Rap Brown said a long time ago, "Weddings are white, funerals are black. Angel food cake is white, Devil's food cake is black...we ain't won one yet." Hope this helps. Peace.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 02:08 AM
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2017/9/28/16378846/nfl-protests-tru mp-nick-wright

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 01:23 PM
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Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real.


Sorry, not buying this, never will.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 02:41 PM
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You offend Jews if you say "Merry Christmas" instead of "Happy holidays."
You offend Catholics if you wear a hat in church.
You offend soldiers if you kneel during the anthem.


One of these is not like the other.


We don't often agree; but agreed.

Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however. But the players make their choice (to protest or not) the owners make their choice (whether to fine or fire their players.) Life is like that. During High School I got into trouble numerous times for not crossing my heart during the pledge (as a Vietnam protest)

So everyone makes their choices re: action/counteractions/ repercussions. As a lifelong Giants fan I was thrilled to see Mara stand up to OBJ's childish on field actions; however. For the most part the great athletes get away with it.

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 02:43 PM
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Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real.


Sorry, not buying this, never will.


How about we're all created equal...some more than others

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 03:27 PM
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Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however.


Owners certainly don't want this kind of persistent spotlight, but they showed this past Sunday that they are more pissed at Trump for criticizing their business and how they run that business. You think Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, two of his biggest NFL supporter, appreciate a President throwing kerosene on the issue and pushing away long time fans, i.e., customers? Remember, Trump likes shiny things and has butted heads with the NFL before: when he owned the New Jersey Generals of the USFL (which he helped run into the ground); when he couldn't buy the Buffalo Bills. Anyone who thinks this is about the flag and veterans isn't paying attention.

 

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Trump is correct that the owners are afraid of the players, however.


Owners certainly don't want this kind of persistent spotlight, but they showed this past Sunday that they are more pissed at Trump for criticizing their business and how they run that business. You think Jerry Jones and Robert Kraft, two of his biggest NFL supporter, appreciate a President throwing kerosene on the issue and pushing away long time fans, i.e., customers? Remember, Trump likes shiny things and has butted heads with the NFL before: when he owned the New Jersey Generals of the USFL (which he helped run into the ground); when he couldn't buy the Buffalo Bills. Anyone who thinks this is about the flag and veterans isn't paying attention.


There were test questions that yield the proper answer: True-True-Not related. They absolutely are justifiably enraged at Trump making a bigger issue of this than it is. Nut they are also afraid of the players. I truly believed Colin K. was blacklisted for similar behavior; but the owners will never risk going after the players en masse.

And re: flags and veterans. There is a huge swath of middle America (philosophical not geographic) that will always make it about that point. Put a candidate up who calls them deplorable and you end up with Trump. As Home put it this was an election caught "between Scylla and Charybdis ."

 

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  posted on 9/29/2017 at 05:22 PM
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As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens.
True, but if the crime is committed by a white person the description is "white male". Usually there is also some description of the clothing being worn when last seen. They have to search for perps based on whatever information is available. They have a tough, usually thankless job. and scenarios like the one you describe are a part of their everyday lives.

As for good cops & bad cops you are absolutely correct there also. My experience has been there are a lot more good ones than bad ones. Though I have been guilty of incorrectly calling good ones bad over something like getting a speeding ticket. Its crazy, as I mature (and I am still working on that) I have found that if you treat them with respect they appreciate it and are a lot nicer to you. It is a shame but they have to approach vehicles and situations prepared for a confrontation or a bad attitude. Even for simple traffic stops they don't know what they are going to get. And if you admit you were speeding act respectful and be friendly, it goes along way. You may not avoid a ticket but you avoided a confrontation and you made their job a little easier.

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Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin...
No doubt this happens but it is not always color. If you are a white man with long hair and a beard, dress like a hippie and wear sandals you likely HAVE experienced something like this. I have. And yes how I dress is a choice. But black men who wear a suit & tie probably don't have this problem as often as those who can't seem to pull their ripped jeans all the way up the way they are intended to be worn. Again a choice. But regardless of color, how you carry and present yourself WILL have an impact on how you are treated. May not be fair but if experience tells you hippies commit more crimes than black men in suits who would you expect them to follow?

I am not disagreeing with you so much as I am suggesting there is a little more to some of these things. The world would be better if the media didn't try not to make everything black vs white.

 

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As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens.
True, but if the crime is committed by a white person the description is "white male". Usually there is also some description of the clothing being worn when last seen. They have to search for perps based on whatever information is available. They have a tough, usually thankless job. and scenarios like the one you describe are a part of their everyday lives.

As for good cops & bad cops you are absolutely correct there also. My experience has been there are a lot more good ones than bad ones. Though I have been guilty of incorrectly calling good ones bad over something like getting a speeding ticket. Its crazy, as I mature (and I am still working on that) I have found that if you treat them with respect they appreciate it and are a lot nicer to you. It is a shame but they have to approach vehicles and situations prepared for a confrontation or a bad attitude. Even for simple traffic stops they don't know what they are going to get. And if you admit you were speeding act respectful and be friendly, it goes along way. You may not avoid a ticket but you avoided a confrontation and you made their job a little easier.

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Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin...
No doubt this happens but it is not always color. If you are a white man with long hair and a beard, dress like a hippie and wear sandals you likely HAVE experienced something like this. I have. And yes how I dress is a choice. But black men who wear a suit & tie probably don't have this problem as often as those who can't seem to pull their ripped jeans all the way up the way they are intended to be worn. Again a choice. But regardless of color, how you carry and present yourself WILL have an impact on how you are treated. May not be fair but if experience tells you hippies commit more crimes than black men in suits who would you expect them to follow?

I am not disagreeing with you so much as I am suggesting there is a little more to some of these things. The world would be better if the media didn't try not to make everything black vs white.


When I lived in NYC I had a good friend who was African American. He always wore a shirt and I tie; said it was his only chance of ever getting a Taxi to pick him up. Yes I've dressed like a white bum; but the fallout is never as bad.

 

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I was going to let this thread die with this last post, but being a teacher, I figured I had to use it for a lesson. I almost didn't know where to begin, but I figured I'd begin at the end and work my way backwards.

There is a difference between "being" a racist and using a racist slur. Most often, some one says something racist (often innocently) and it's pointed out to them thusly: "That's racist" and the person who hears it misinterprets that as "You're a racist" or homophobe or misogynist, etc. An example would be when someone says "I paid too much, I got gyped" I used to say that until it was pointed out to me that it was a slur from the term Gypsy. Was I being racist? No, but I was using a term that is racist. When I learned about it, I stopped. So, you're not being called a racist, but if you are saying something racist, sexist, etc and someone is calling you one it, own it and stop using the term.

Yes, I heard about a black police officer killed in her car. It is tragic and there was plenty of outrage. Maybe you missed it?

As for the "white kid with a pink mohawk", I totally understand that police should look for one if that is the description. But often the description is "black male" and then look what happens. Racial profiling exists and there really are such things as DWB (driving while black) but many people are unaware of it, or choose to overlook it.

The police, like all other jobs, have people who are good at it and bad at it. I would likely put them into 2 categories: Those that chose the job because they want to help others and see that as one of the best ways to do it and those who were bullied and picked on and want to get back at everyone by doing it themselves. The former make great cops, the latter, the worst. Some police are victims, some are perpetrators and predators.

As for your racist stereotypes of people living in inner cities, all I can say is that there are some who likely fit your grotesque characterization and there are most that don't. Some just get a lot of press because it makes good headlines. Yes there is gang violence but the real question should be Why and what can we do to help kids make a better choice. Why is it that when someone takes a stand against something like police brutality and racism, others try to bring up something else? Black lives matter is a beautiful slogan and yet people wanted to take it as "others don't" when nothing could be further from the truth? Do you also go to Breast cancer rallies and scream about testicular cancer and tell them they are being sexist and uncaring to all others??

As for the football players going to the inner cities to "preach family values": 1. Who's family? Yours? Mine? I'll bet they differ greatly...and 2. I see them do this ALL THE TIME. They are running shelters, donating huge sums of money, creating opportunities, funding incentives, etc. Look it up. All-The-Time.

Lastly, there is this thing called White Privilege and it's real. Whoever wrote this piece never was followed around a department store because of their color, pulled over for their color, made to feel small because of their skin, etc. Even tiny things, such as this: When you have a boo-boo at a store and ask for a band-aid, the one you get blends to your skin...unless you are African American. Think about that for a second. As H. Rap Brown said a long time ago, "Weddings are white, funerals are black. Angel food cake is white, Devil's food cake is black...we ain't won one yet." Hope this helps. Peace.


Too too funny! Undoubtedly, you're a product of public schools, right?

 

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Some folks see reality, some folks see what they're told reality is, some folks are seeking answers, and some folks are Waitin For Brains.
Guess all that would depend upon whether they agree with you, right?

 

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It seems some never took Constitution 101. I know it may shock some who don't understand, the 1st amendment only applies to government censorship of free speech. On a side note, there has never been a reference to separation of church of state in the establishment clause. Free speech does not apply to the private sector, or the free market. They have the right to be idiots...we have the right to not watch, and to tell their sponsors how we feel. Sad fact is, most of them are hood rats who would be nowhere if they were not able to catch a ball. Flame away...just because I've been going to see the Brothers since 72 does not mean I agree with liberal ideology

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They absolutely have the right to express themselves and are hurting exactly nobody by doing it.

Unlike getting gunned down in a hail of bullets by po-lice brutality actually kills people. Trump is nothing more than a loudmouth moron so out of touch with anything real, it defies description.

 

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Sad fact is, most of them are hood rats who would be nowhere if they were not able to catch a ball. Flame away...just because I've been going to see the Brothers since 72 does not mean I agree with liberal ideology



Thanks for not hiding your vile, racist prejudice and proving your real motivation. People like you are what many players are protesting and won't lose any sleep if you turn off the TV and burn your Tom Brady underpants (just remember to take them off first).

 

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People like you are what many players are protesting and won't lose any sleep if you turn off the TV and burn your Tom Brady underpants (just remember to take them off first).
Seems they are having trouble agreeing upon just exactly what it is they ARE protesting. I guess it won't matter if no one is watching.



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People like you are what many players are protesting and won't lose any sleep if you turn off the TV and burn your Tom Brady underpants (just remember to take them off first).
Seems they are having trouble agreeing upon just exactly what it is they ARE protesting. I guews it won't matter if no one is watching.


Well, initially a few were protesting gross inequalities in this imperfect country. More recently, in greater numbers, the players were protesting Trump's direct attacks on their right to do so, as well as owners' right to run their businesses as they please.

Happy to clear that up for you, it isn't very complicated.

 

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People like you are what many players are protesting and won't lose any sleep if you turn off the TV and burn your Tom Brady underpants (just remember to take them off first).
Seems they are having trouble agreeing upon just exactly what it is they ARE protesting. I guews it won't matter if no one is watching.


Well, initially a few were protesting gross inequalities in this imperfect country. More recently, in greater numbers, the players were protesting Trump's direct attacks on their right to do so, as well as owners' right to run their businesses as they please.

Happy to clear that up for you, it isn't very complicated.
I wasn't confused but thanks for pointing out 3 of the various things being protested for those that ARE. Again, it won't matter if no one is watching.

 

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