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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 03:10 PM
any thoughts on what went on yesterday.

I still believe kneeling down during the anthem is wrong. The other protests of standing arm in arm were acceptable as far as I was concerned and warranted.

Not going on the field is also disrespectful to the fans and people who support the league as advertisers etc. This is a business and the players make their livings from the NFL.

This is very sensitive and everyone has an opinion. Trump for a change was not that wrong IMO in his opinion about kneeling. It is disrespectful to the country we all live in. A protest such as holding hands in solidarity is OK in my opinion but not kneeling.

I was at the Jets game and did not have an issue in how the teams handled it. But reading some of the others ?????

I guess the Steelers stayed in the locker room all day as they couldn't even beat the lowly Bears.

 
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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 03:51 PM
trump should stay out of football. these players are exercising their right to the first amendment, NFL commissioner is OK with it, as well as many coaches. they are not disrespecting the flag, or any veterans, like many racist trump supporters will have you believe.
 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 03:56 PM
i think kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful despite what anyone says. There are other ways to express solidarity about a cause then disrespect or insult an awful lot of people who feel very differently about this.

Kneeling during the national anthem is as disrespectful to many as name calling or making racial or ethnic comments.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 04:01 PM
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i think kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful despite what anyone says. There are other ways to express solidarity about a cause then disrespect or insult an awful lot of people who feel very differently about this.

Kneeling during the national anthem is as disrespectful to many as name calling or making racial or ethnic comments.
Think what you want, many disagree.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 04:35 PM
Trump is disepectful to the human race.


 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 05:04 PM
Any employee of any business thats disparages this country should be forced to be jobless and homeless and sent to a re-education camp.

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 05:19 PM
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i think kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful despite what anyone says. There are other ways to express solidarity about a cause then disrespect or insult an awful lot of people who feel very differently about this.

Kneeling during the national anthem is as disrespectful to many as name calling or making racial or ethnic comments.


Who made you the arbiter of how people can or should protest?

Obviously lots of people agree with you and lots don't. So?

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 05:49 PM
I prefer that people don't interject politics into sports.

I also prefer people don't interject politics into music.

Music can sometimes be interjected into sports.

Sports never works well interjected into music.

IMO

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 06:21 PM
If you have a bigger problem with your fellow citizens exercising their freedom to peacefully protest than you do with a President who publicly condemns that freedom, yet won't condemn his violent Nazi supporters, then you don't understand what the National Anthem celebrates in the first place (it's not just about bombs). Yesterday NFL players protested because they were directly attacked by a President (which is totally nuts and abnormal, by the way) and they have every right to peacefully respond. Anyone upset by their response is only paying attention to the how and not the what.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 06:35 PM
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I prefer that people don't interject politics into sports.

I also prefer people don't interject politics into music.

Music can sometimes be interjected into sports.

Sports never works well interjected into music.

IMO
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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 06:36 PM
The Supreme Court made it clear in the 1940s that people don't have to stand for the flag.

I wish these players had found a different way to protest, but it's their right.

Trump embarrassed himself with his speech, but it fired up his base, and it got the media going, so it makes sense that he would once again generate outrage to cover up his ongoing issues.

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 06:48 PM
I am disgusted with the NFL (No F'n Logic). I think it's moronic and misguided. I will not support them or their sponsors. It's a false narrative. 3 more African Americans shot dead this weekend in Chicago. Is THAT why the Steelers were afraid to come out of the locker room? Only the honorable stood hand on heart for the National Anthem.

The 3 dead brought the years total of shot and killed in gang violence to 500 in Chicago. "500" just in Chicago. Why don't any of these a-holes go to their inner cities and preach family values, Fathers taking care of their children, staying in school and off the streets. The police are the victims and yet cops as pigs socks actually exist are a product and then they're worn. BLM? That's what the NFL is crawling in bed with? What a joke. "When 5 cops shot and killed in Dallas the NFL bans any team tribute to honor them, but allows this. They have become the "pigs". The police are diverse, they're mostly military as we want composed trained individuals to respond to emergencies. They have seen the trauma of the world. When we need them they come, for loved ones passings to "shots fired" reports. When the B.O.L.O.'s (be on the lookout) and APB's (all points bulletins) describes certain individuals it's in the public interest to stop those who fit the description. If the witnesses called in scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk shooting people, EVERY scrawny white kid with a pink Mohawk needs to be stopped and investigated. Is that not common sense? A beautiful young black police officer was just assassinated in NYC a few months ago. She was not only a police officer, she was also a single mother of 2 sweet kids. Where was the outrage when a black man walked up and shot her in the head point blank for no reason while she sat in her car on a night shift trying to make ends meet. I take a knee to the stupidity of it all.

Promote responsibility, don't have 10 kids with 5 different women and abandon them all. You just destroyed lives not created. Promote staying in school and being responsible American citizens not American burdens. Antifa? I'm shedding tears for what this country once was and to what it's becoming. I take a knee to the NFL and it's lost cause of lost causes. Misguided buffoonery. F' em.

God Bless the USA and it's Men and Women who serve proudly and sadly suffer due to all this crap.



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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 06:59 PM
Trump is all about Trump. Hook, line, and s(t)inker.

I guess things can't be all bad in the good ol' USA when people are complaining right or wrong about how professional athletes address the Star Spangled Banner. Just eat, drink, and be merry... and spin lots of ABB

 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 09:43 PM
This photo of a kneeling 97-year-old World War II veteran quickly went viral after the man’s grandson posted it to Twitter.



"His concern was that the president was hiding behind patriotism and the flag,” the grandson, 38-year-old Brennan Gilmore, said. “To him it's the value those symbols from the flag represent, and by suppressing those the president was undermining those core values and he didn't like it.”


 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 10:19 PM
A whole bunch of people have their panties in knots over the sit/stand anthem maneuvers.
Sitting or standing during the anthem is PROTECTED FREE EXPRESSION and HURTS EXACTLY NOBODY.

What a bunch of whining babies blowing up social media.

The English Crown treated the colonies as a throwaway source of labor and money. Same as corporations treat us now. The Brits were overthrown by people who were tired of being OPPRESSED

If you think black oppression in this country is a mirage, YOU ARE TRIPPING.

The NFL has had a damaged, overpriced product for some time. WAY MORE WHINY BABIES over the anthem than domestic violence/abusers in the NFL or CTE.


 

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  posted on 9/25/2017 at 10:50 PM
I see several morons burning their tickets?, who are they hurting?, the owners and the players got their money.
 

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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 12:08 AM
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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 12:58 AM
Up until 2009 the players did not take the field until after the Anthem, solution? Return to that standard. No protests, no one is offended and fans do not have to be faced with political B.S. on a Sunday afternoon.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 07:37 AM
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Up until 2009 the players did not take the field until after the Anthem, solution? Return to that standard. No protests, no one is offended and fans do not have to be faced with political B.S. on a Sunday afternoon.


i was going to say this exact same thing. what happened was the nfl actually thought more people would turn the game on earlier if the players were on the field for the anthem. they wanted more viewers and of course you can add some commercial breaks because of this

 

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Some folks see reality, some folks see what they're told reality is, some folks are seeking answers, and some folks are Waitin For Brains.


Except she isn't wrong and you're way off the ranch (hint: Sunday's protest was against the President)

All of the people who burned their own expensive jerseys and tickets might want to direct their energy and attention toward aiding our fellow citizens in Puerto Rico who are currently devastated. But there are people who would rather allow themselves to get riled up by President ManBabyChild, who is still butthurt because he couldn't afford the Buffalo Bills, on a topic that was mostly over with.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 07:55 AM
How about just doing away with the anthems before domestic sporting events period. It serves no purpose other than to cast the event as some sort of patriotic spectacle that has no relevance or connection to the event itself. When a crowd gathered for an ABB concert - any national anthem before that event? How about when you go to the movies - they fire up the national anthem for everyone to stand for before a screening of IT? No, of course not - because the anthem has nothing whatsoever to do with those events, and it has nothing to do with sports events either. You want to play both countries anthems before Canada plays the US in hockey or something - fine I guess. There's at least some geopolitical connection to the nature of the event. I can do without it, but I can at least see some relevance. National anthem before the Orioles play baseball against the Pirates tonight? What's the point?

 

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How about just doing away with the anthems before domestic sporting events period. It serves no purpose other than to cast the event as some sort of patriotic spectacle that has no relevance or connection to the event itself. When a crowd gathered for an ABB concert - any national anthem before that event? How about when you go to the movies - they fire up the national anthem for everyone to stand for before a screening of IT? No, of course not - because the anthem has nothing whatsoever to do with those events, and it has nothing to do with sports events either. You want to play both countries anthems before Canada plays the US in hockey or something - fine I guess. There's at least some geopolitical connection to the nature of the event. I can do without it, but I can at least see some relevance. National anthem before the Orioles play baseball against the Pirates tonight? What's the point?


+1 I've thought that for a while especially when someone performing it does so obnoxiously IMO. Many Americans take their professional sports too seriously. Like my friend said yesterday, I watch football for escape. Keep politics etc. out of it.

 

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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 08:34 AM
It's completely disrespectful, and is accomplishing nothing. It was so embarrassing watching the game from London on Sunday morning and seeing the kneeling. how about those who want to protest all wear a different color glove, or an arm band, etc. How about donating money or game checks to charities that educate people of their issues or concerns, or that actually do something. and why is this seem to only be going on in nfl? yes trump handled it wrong, and should stay out of it, but he's not wrong. I feel like were on the verge of nuclear war w N korea, maybe he should concentrate on that.
 

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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 08:52 AM
so - what is the meaning behind the flag?
it is different to everyone but to me, it stands for, among other things, a country that allows for:

freedom of expression
the right to protest peacefullly
the right to criticize the government
a nation where everyone is equal under the law

we are lucky to be living in a great country with these rights protected. There are some countries that if you speak against the government, you disappear. Sunday was another form of peaceful protest, in response to comments made by Trump, who once again sounded like he was out to pick a fight.
Feel free to disagree.


btw, Trump's comments about the safety rules in the NFL shows a lack of respect for the players health, which imo is far more insulting
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  posted on 9/26/2017 at 09:47 AM
...though a wise man once said...


 
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