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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 02:54 PM
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they didn't come to speak...they came to fight


Can you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.


They all came with Tiki torches, most had clubs and shields and many had frozen bottles of water they threw into the crowd...and of course one of them ran a car into a a group of people killing a woman who wasn't armed

Have you watched the videos of the night before and the videos of that day? because it's clear they all had a plan before they arrived or they all wouldn't have had tiki torches that isn't a coincidence

Show me how they came to just speak?? Why is it hard to see some American citizens as terrorists?? when they are/ Its sad for sure and hard to swallow that we can bred these here but it needs a light shown on it right now

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 03:00 PM
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they didn't come to speak...they came to fight


Can you provide evidence of this? The presence of weapons is not evidence, especially if they are registered.


What about the shields and helmets? Can you even register riot gear?

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 03:13 PM
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I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.

Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.

You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.

The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.


Who support their mission? It's all a question of the limits of free speech. It is clear you can't yell fire in a crowded theater; it is not clear when hate-mongering in public is allowed/not allowed. I can live in any system but hippocracy. Again; can Johnny Depp call for the assassination of Trump? Its just a goose gander thing.

 

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General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?


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I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 03:38 PM
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They all came with Tiki torches, most had clubs and shields and many had frozen bottles of water they threw into the crowd...


Then they are nothing like ISIS.

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and of course one of them ran a car into a a group of people killing a woman who wasn't armed


Now this POS is like ISIS.

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Have you watched the videos of the night before and the videos of that day? because it's clear they all had a plan before they arrived or they all wouldn't have had tiki torches that isn't a coincidence


I saw the tiki torches as a hilarious, sad, and pathetic way to try to intimidate and look scary. They failed. What a bunch of idiots.

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Show me how they came to just speak?? Why is it hard to see some American citizens as terrorists?? when they are/ Its sad for sure and hard to swallow that we can bred these here but it needs a light shown on it right now


I have no problem calling other Americans "terrorists", like the driver and our mass shooters. But until there's proof that they threw the first punch or object, then I cannot call them terrorists - just a small fringe group of backwards lost souls. I'd support putting them on a list and having them surveilled - that would be as extreme as I go. And again, I think they are a disgrace to our country, and lower than animals. But if we take lethal/legal action for them gathering, then I'd be afraid some far-right future leader might do that to a liberal gathering. To beat them, we cannot produce any ammunition against ourselves that might hinder progress.

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 03:54 PM
You need to go research what their goal is and come to terms that they achieved it that day.

They didn't come to speak the guy in the car was not the only terrorist....They were all terrorist...the fact that the Tiki's were used was a sign of how they felt it was a symbol of their terrorism....go ask if the crowd felt terrorized

the fact that you don't is irrelevant...go see what the Rabbi said as he stood outside and watched what they did

They attacked a group of clergy singing...they weren't being violent...you obviously haven't seen the videos

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 04:07 PM
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I heard the Black Lives Matter organization described as a terrorist organization. All they are saying is, "please Mr. Policeman... stop killing black people." The truth is a bunch of cops have murdered a bunch of black people with apparently no cause. Because of systematic racism built into many American police departments the cops got away with murder.

Now I hear those same people who described BLM as a terrorist organization support the mission of white supremacist. A mission that entails wiping out all people of color.

You can't yell "FIRE" in a crowded theater. Calling for the eradication of people because of their race is not protected speech.

The antifascist who demonstrated in Charlottesville are not the same as the filthy Nazi animals that advocate for a superior race.


Who support their mission? It's all a question of the limits of free speech. It is clear you can't yell fire in a crowded theater; it is not clear when hate-mongering in public is allowed/not allowed. I can live in any system but hippocracy. Again; can Johnny Depp call for the assassination of Trump? Its just a goose gander thing.


Johnny Depp made that comment in England. If he had made it here, most likely he would have heard from the Secret Service.

 

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General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?


Down.



I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?


The fact that people keep putting Nazis on the same level as BLM is very telling.

 

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Here is the dictionary definition of terrorism

ter·ror·ism
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noun
noun: terrorism

the unlawful use of violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims.

That rally falls exactly in the definition above and so do all the Neo-Nazi/KKK hate groups participants who showed up to fight for their political aim

 

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General Custer was a union hero at Gettysburg; but not to the native Americans. His statues; up or down?


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I guess this starts a whole new movement? Native American Lives matter more than Black lives?


The fact that people keep putting Nazis on the same level as BLM is very telling.


Think you misunderstood me. Was just pointing out (in what I thought was a somewhat humorous manner) that the issue is not always simple. Custer was on the right side of the Civil war; but surely not pro native American. How do you decide what to do with his statue? General Lee was Lincoln's first choice to head the Union Army. He refused mostly because he refused to raise arms against fellow Virginians.

Believe me I have no use for Nazi's; believe that all lives matter

 

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  posted on 8/18/2017 at 06:05 PM
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I guess this starts a whole new movement?


No need. The American Indian Movement has been around since Columbus. Good revival since the 1970s. Have done a good job too.



 

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They can use facebook....YouTube....Instagram....twitter,.....and they can stand in apublic square and "say" what they want

When you physically incite violence in the name of an ideology you are now a terrorist


What ideology was being promoted?

I think your sig tells a lot about you: "Believing is alright, just don't believe in the wrong thing"

I guess it's funny that I have more liberal thinking than some of the liberals on this site.


What ideology is being promoted!? Again…

Here are my thoughts as to why I got into it with you previously. I felt that you greatly trivialized then and are doing it again now, an ORGANIZED invasion of armed Nazis and torchbearing Klan, maybe the largest gathering of race haters ever, into an American city, chanting the slogans of, wearing the clothing of, employing the tactics of (torches, murder - remember Heather Heyer?), and expressing admiration for (Adolf Hitler t-shirts) ideologies that went far beyond "free speech" - they actually led to the slaughter of millions of Jews, lynchings of innocents which were common practice until I was fifteen years old, and centuries of oppression and slavery. The oppression continues to this day. In the case of Nazism it took a goddam WORLD WAR to contain it. In the case of white supremacy in America, it took the goddam CIVIL WAR to contain it. Nazis were allowed to speak and operate freely in Germany, looked upon as beer-hall fringes, until one day they were in Poland, France, Italy, North Africa, Russia, Austria…if they hadn't hated Jewish physicists so much they could have easily had the bomb- they were pretty damn good at rocketry. It's not "protest" and "different opinions" - it's a murderous ideology and it's on the rise because the president and many of his advisers embrace this ideology. No need for sheets and hoods - suits and ties are fine now. No need to meet in the shadows anymore- Trump has our back.



This tells me that you have yet to understand what I have been saying.
Believe me, i probably know more of what happened during WWII than most of you. Virtually every aunt and uncle had the "shadow box" with the folded flag and the decorations of a son or husband who was killed in the war. My father was 100% disabled during the Battle of the Bulge. Uncles on both sides of my family that have died since 1945 have the veterans gravestones.

So don't start lecturing me about WWII. I'll ask you a question and let you think about it (actually 2).

Why did the soldiers go off to fight?
What protections of the Constitution has every soldier fought for since 1789?

 

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  posted on 8/20/2017 at 04:24 PM
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No need. The American Indian Movement has been around since Columbus. Good revival since the 1970s. Have done a good job too.





I'm being dead serious; not being an a-hole. Symbol wasn't changed to Native American Movement?

 

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  posted on 8/20/2017 at 05:12 PM
You have a point. But if you comb your hair over it, it might not show.

 

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Neo-Confederate Ideology: Allow those states who wish to use people as livestock to do so. They want a dominant white society where only white people can vote...there will be designated areas where people of color can sit, eat, drink, pee, poop....etc....They want the right to treat other humans as animals. Including whipping, maiming and killing if those livestock rebel against any other option. That also include people who are of the Catholic faith and many other people who don't follow Anglo-Saxon religious beliefs

This is what the people of the south want to hold on to as a "heritage" instead of acknowledgment of the crimes and a remorseful apology

Neo-Nazi Ideology: To have a supreme white dominant race that controls everything. Extermination of Jews, Gays, people with any mental or extreme physical disabilities or any person of color.

Did we really have to spell out the Ideology of hate

The flags they fly represent those ideologies

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  posted on 8/20/2017 at 07:51 PM
OK, well need some advice here. Am doing an art gallery show of portraits of Nazis.

Should I hang them or line them up against the wall?

 

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Neo-Confederate Ideology: Allow those states who wish to use people as livestock to do so. They want a dominant white society where only white people can vote...there will be designated areas where people of color can sit, eat, drink, pee, poop....etc....They want the right to treat other humans as animals. Including whipping, maiming and killing if those livestock rebel against any other option. That also include people who are of the Catholic faith and many other people who don't follow Anglo-Saxon religious beliefs

This is what the people of the south want to hold on to as a "heritage" instead of acknowledgment of the crimes and a remorseful apology

Neo-Nazi Ideology: To have a supreme white dominant race that controls everything. Extermination of Jews, Gays, people with any mental or extreme physical disabilities or any person of color.

Did we really have to spell out the Ideology of hate

The flags they fly represent those ideologies

[Edited on 8/20/2017 by goldtop]


I've never met anyone who owns a slave. I've never owned a slave. No one in the south owns slaves.
So what crime are you talking about? Are you applying modern day morals to to those who lived in the 17th to 19th century?

If so, I don't think they can hear you bitch and moan about what they did back then, since they're all dead.

Would you be ok if someone took away mementos/heirlooms from your ancestors?
Are you ok with eradication of the past?
Try the rule we used in the old ABB Listserve. Wait 24 hours before you post about anything that made you angry. Think, then post.

 

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  posted on 8/20/2017 at 09:17 PM
None of my ancestors are traitors....If they were I wouldn't be making excuses about what they did. I would acknowledge the crimes with a remorsefully apologize and never raise the flag of treason again.

The fact that no one in the south owns slave is because that ideology was defeated yet you think we should celebrate the acts of treason and slavery and wave a flag that represents that and have monuments celebrating the leaders

How about they just fly the American flag....not the flag of treason

Now if you can't come to terms with the facts that's another issue

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  posted on 8/21/2017 at 10:20 AM
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Are you ok with eradication of the past?


Taking down a statue does not eradication of any past make.

I learned that in Statue Class junior year of high school.

 

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  posted on 8/21/2017 at 10:43 AM
Since there are many different ways to honor a heritage, why must their method involve ditching the American flag for some other? How is this different than what Colin Kaepernick has done? I sure hope the confederate flag loyalists aren't criticizing him, otherwise that would be the ultimate hypocrisy.
 

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Since there are many different ways to honor a heritage, why must their method involve ditching the American flag for some other? How is this different than what Colin Kaepernick has done? I sure hope the confederate flag loyalists aren't criticizing him, otherwise that would be the ultimate hypocrisy.


I don't get it either. Since the end of the Civil war they have yet to acknowledge the crimes with a passionate remorseful apology and instead they stand in defiance while they wave the flag that supported the ideology of slavery.

We know we can't change the past but to heal from it always take acknowledgement and a remorseful apology.

You aren't confederates anymore and you haven't been since 1865. Support the American flag and American values. That doesn't mean you can't be proud of being from the south...It takes a bigger person to acknowledge the wrongs and seek forgiveness than to stand in defiance and continue to wave the flag

 

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  posted on 8/22/2017 at 08:50 AM
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Since there are many different ways to honor a heritage, why must their method involve ditching the American flag for some other? How is this different than what Colin Kaepernick has done? I sure hope the confederate flag loyalists aren't criticizing him, otherwise that would be the ultimate hypocrisy.


I don't get it either. Since the end of the Civil war they have yet to acknowledge the crimes with a passionate remorseful apology and instead they stand in defiance while they wave the flag that supported the ideology of slavery.
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And what crimes would that be? Again, you are applying present day laws to the 1600's to late 1800's.
Why should anyone apologize for something that happen over 150 years ago.
Slavery happened under the British, French, Spanish, and later, American flag before the Confederacy was formed. So which flag are you referring to. They all represent slavery.
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We know we can't change the past but to heal from it always take acknowledgement and a remorseful apology.
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Again, read above response.
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You aren't confederates anymore and you haven't been since 1865. Support the American flag and American values. That doesn't mean you can't be proud of being from the south...It takes a bigger person to acknowledge the wrongs and seek forgiveness than to stand in defiance and continue to wave the flag

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So you will quit flying the American flag?

It is you who is not embracing American values. Freedom of speech, freedom of protest, freedom of expression, the freedom of equal protection under the law, all seem to be only your freedoms and not others.

Learn history before you start to jump up on your soapbox.

Learn history before you condemn others.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2017 at 09:50 AM
For the record, I want us all to do whatever the hell we want to do without a hostile reaction from our peers. Fly the confederate flag, kneel during the anthem, do whatever you need to do as long as you are not hurting or having an adverse material affect on anyone. No need to agree on it - just have to be civil about it. The problem begins, not with the flag waving or the kneeling, but when the masses on both sides go into hysteria attack mode.
 

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  posted on 8/22/2017 at 10:15 AM
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The fact that people keep putting Nazis on the same level as BLM is very telliing


Nazi Lives Matter.

 

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  posted on 8/22/2017 at 10:26 AM
Nothing says "I'm proud to be from the south" more than flying a flag representing a war you lost.
 
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