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  posted on 7/10/2017 at 06:57 PM
I've seen three very good pro shot clips from this LockIn 2014 (Liz Reed, Whipping Post, Mt Jam/Blue Sky) - wondering if they filmed the whole show - I would think so.

This would be a very nice DVD release from the last part of the last year.

I think also the Peach Fest was filmed - but not sure (show didn't seem as quality as LockIn).

Since there appears to be no Beacon Footage - at least no Pro Shot footage - I would really love something of quality from the last year or so.

Even the Jones Beach aud footage from 9/13 is an amazing watch...

Just my $.02

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  posted on 7/12/2017 at 09:03 AM
The whole thing was on youtube for about a year, but it has since been taken down.
 

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  posted on 7/13/2017 at 03:33 AM
Thank you.
I know the whole show was on as an audience post was on youtube - My real question was since 3/4 songs were posted as GREAT PROSHOT directed videos by LockIn - as I said, Liz reed, Whipping Post and Mt Jam/Blue Sky - I would assume they recorded the entire show.

(if the whole show was posted by LockIn - I wasn't aware of that)

This pro shot show would seem to be one of the last ABB shows video recorded of the band - at least pro shot.

This would be a special release, in my opinion. Maybe I'm in the minority...

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  posted on 7/13/2017 at 07:13 AM
The entire pro-shot concert was on there back in 2015. I watched it at least three times because the audio was perfect as well.
 

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 12:22 AM
Thank you.

Wow. I only saw the two pro-shot songs there, and one on a music blog. (I did see the whole show as an audience recording)

Gosh I wish I'd have the whole thing - sound was quite good as was the performances I saw. (Live at Fillmore east set)

I hope the LockIn shows up somewhere - it would be a great DVD...

The other show (Hunter) showed / streamed wasn't their best performance - but it also was one of the final shows proshot shows.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 09:51 AM
I believe we will see more releases but right now it's too soon.
It should be based on The Grateful Dead model where they have Vault releases , DVD's and then the solo Garcia Band material.
Surely there's a demand. But you can't wait too long because us consumers ain't gettin' any younger.

 

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 10:07 AM
Unless they can completely edit out Gregg's big miscue in Blue Sky, I don't think the Lockn show will ever see the official light of day.
 

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 02:50 PM
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Unless they can completely edit out Gregg's big miscue in Blue Sky, I don't think the Lockn show will ever see the official light of day.


I just watched the clip mtn jam into blue sky... in the big scheme of things that was not the worst mistake I have ever seen or heard... That's live music!

 

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 04:27 PM
Granted, GA was very ill at the time, but he wasn't even singing the song. Warren was. Warren had barely begun his solo and Gregg sang and played through the verse and chorus. It was a pretty big F up, and sad to watch.

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  posted on 7/19/2017 at 09:54 PM
I never cared for ANY of the versions of Blue Sky after Dickey was voted out. Perhaps it's because it's because I became a huge fan after seeing the band in 1970. I saw the original lineup up a number of times but saw Duane sing Dimples once and Berry sing HCM about 3 or 4 times so when Warren and Jack sang those songs, I liked it. But I saw Dickey sing and play the second guitar solo so many darn times over the years, having that song played without Dickey's voice and his style of playing guitar ( nobody sounds like Dickey)just brought me down. Warren Haynes said in a couple interviews that it makes him feel a bit funny playing in the band without Dickey because his sound was such a big part of the band's sound for so many years. Amen Warren.

And it would hit me the same way if they did Whipping Post or Dreams without Gregg. The band wisely didn't include any Dickey songs on the last official new live album One Way Out.

Also as good as various lineups were NONE of them could bring it like the original line up. If you doubt me then you never saw the original line up. The energy level may have been equaled at times but NOT the creativity. They journeys the original band could take on the fly in the long jams was UNEQUALED. Not long before we lost Butch he said he was trying to get his players in Freight Train Band not be afraid to jump into the deep end and take him somewhere new and he'll go with you. Butch said he could never get Warren and Derek to do that. Said they were afraid of having a train wreck and the original line up never gave it a second thought.

Maybe it was the drugs Some people are pretty fearless when they have copped a big buzz!!

 

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  posted on 7/20/2017 at 08:26 AM
Is Warren using a Les Paul loaded with P-90's here? That's the first time I've EVER seen that.

#guitarnerdalert

 

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  posted on 7/20/2017 at 09:48 AM
The Allman Brothers in their final 25 years recorded & played some of the greatest music ever in my opinion. If it wasn't as good as the original band, that takes zero away from what they did and how much thousands & thousands enjoyed it. The band from 1989-2014 (including the final 13 years) did some things that were incredible that the original band never did.....and had a whole truck load larger song repertoire.

And I was excited the few times I heard Blue Sky performed by the band after Dickey, including the first time they did it for an audience at the Fox in 2004. I thought they did very reverent versions of the classic. Love this version from the XM radio Eat a Peach studio performance:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQXYl7YLGtA

 

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  posted on 7/20/2017 at 09:53 AM
And yes. Bring on a LockIn Fest DVD (could probably edit out Gregg's Blue Sky flub....and Gregg was strong live in late summer/fall 2014...not sure what happened at that moment on stage)

 

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  posted on 7/20/2017 at 11:37 AM
I saw the band plenty from 1989 forward. Lots of great shows. I remember one of the best was in 1997 with Jack and Otiel which helped my disappointment that Warren and Woody had left. I aslo saw several shows in 1973 with Chuck and Lamar that smoked but I missed Duane and Berry. You could tell the 1973 band was thinking about Duane and Berry and some of Wipe the Windows proves how hot the band was in 1973.

But to me it was always a let down to hear the ABB do Blue Sky without Dickey. I would feel the same if they did Whipping Post or Dreams without Gregg and I had that feeling a little hearing Soulshine without Warren from 1997-2000. That is me so if a DVD came out on the show in question, then I would like it better if Blue Sky were not on it. Since Gregg is said to have flubbed the song it's a moot point about that particular show. I can't see them putting it on there.

As to the original lineup I'm sure all old guys here like me know I'm right. Other lineups equaled the energy often of the original but NOT the improvising. Also can you say any lineup could play One Way Out or Trouble No More on Eat a Peach or Statesboro, Liz Reed, Whipping Post or You Don't Love Me on Fillmore East better than the original line up!?? Think about it!!!

Apparently Gregg was never a big fan of the long jams but Butch was and just late last year Butch clearly remembered how the original line up could go off on an unexpected journey in a New York minute. Butch told the guy interviewing him for the Freight Train Band that he was trying to get his players to not be timid and afraid to jump in the deep end and take the band to a new place musically. Butch then added that he tried and tried to get Warren and Derek to take the jump but they were just too afraid of an embarrassing train wreck. Butch said the best he could get from Warren or Derek was quoting another song within the jam. But Butch wasn't saying it wasn't good. But he did say he was getting bored because after 10 years he knew what everybody was going to do before they did it. But that complaint to me didn't mean the band wasn't playing real fine for us in the audience.

Now with that said that does NOT mean the band was hitting the note and delighting it's thousands of fans. But a fan like me who saw the original lineup about two dozen times knows NONE of the lineups that followed the departure of Duane Allman and Berry Oakley could bring it like the original. Gregg, Butch and Jaimoe knew that. Jaimoe once said the improv with the original lineup was so religious that he left his body a few times.

Please don't think I'm criticizing any later line up. Duane and Berry died and later lineups often to me were still the best damn band on the road including the last lineup. So if my Butch quote or my take on post Dickey Blue Sky's stepped on your toes, I apologise. If the best band you ever saw is the Allman Brothers then your my brother hotlantian. Wish you all the best

 

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  posted on 7/20/2017 at 02:17 PM
Everybody has an opinion. Here are a couple of mine:

Original line up was the best. No Doubt. They did have a limited collection of songs to draw from but they always made it great!

I NEVER cared for ANY live version of Blue Sky as much as the studio version until I heard the original lineup playing it on the 9/16/71 Warehouse show. And then the Stony Brook Archive came out and that version was awesome also. Before that I had heard in this order:

1. The early 80s version with Dan & Rook (not impressed. They played it in the wrong key, way to fast and they replaced the opening intro with the little riff that comes after the first verse.)
2. The late 80s & 90s version with Warren & Woody. Still in the wrong key but better. Dickeys voacals are SO SWEET on the studio version but he almost NEVER got there live and again, it was in the wrong key. They used to say he changed it from the key of E to G to make it sound more country. ???? It is a beautiful song with a country twang on Eat A Peach. And I believe that version of this song was the real beginning of what would be labeled later as Southern Rock (See other Thread if you want to discuss that). When they played it in G in the 90s it sounded a lot more like a harder rock & roll song to me. Didn't care for it at all. Some great solos but overall disappointing.
3. Then I got bootlegs of a a few shows from 73. Wrong key, not as rock & roll sounding, terrible intro, just sounded sad to me that they could not do their own song justice. The only shining light on this version was Gregg singing backup vocals.
4. 2004 - Turns out they can play this song after all - and without the author. Go figure. I LOVE Dicky Betts so don't think for a minute the intent is to bash him. Apparently he and I just disagree on how the song should be played (and in what key). Apparently Duane & Tom Dowd were on my side. Remember, we all have opinions. When they brought this out in 2004 it was so sweet to hear it played in the right key and so true to the original version. NONE of the live versions you hear after Duane died and before DB left had those SWEET guitar fills during the vocals that just make the song what it is. Derek put them back where they belonged! And there are a few versions where Greggs vocals are spot on, with no miscues.
5. 1998 Versions - Same as the early 90s
6. 2013 with Warren on vocals SMOKES! Darn near as good as the 2004 - 05 versions.

So if I had to rank the live versions of Blue Sky best to worst by band:

1. Original line up
2. 2004 - 05 (Gregg on vocals)
3. 2013 (Warren on vocals)
4. Early 90s
5. Late 90s
6. 73 - 76

I thank God that Dickey Betts wrote this song!



[Edited on 7/20/2017 by KCJimmy]

 

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