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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 08:56 PM
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Update for Trump voters.

1. He said he wouldn’t bomb Syria. You bought it. Then he bombed Syria.

2. He said he'd build a wall along the border with Mexico. You bought it. Now his secretary of homeland security says "It’s unlikely that we will build a wall."

3. He said he’d clean the Washington swamp. You bought it. Then he brought into his administration more billionaires, CEOs, and Wall Street moguls than in any administration in history, to make laws that will enrich their businesses.

4. He said he’d repeal Obamacare and replace it with something “wonderful.” You bought it. Then he didn’t.

5. He said he’d use his business experience to whip the White House into shape. You bought it. Then he created the most chaotic, dysfunctional, back-stabbing White House in modern history, in which no one is in charge.

6. He said he’d release his tax returns, eventually. You bought it. He hasn’t, and says he never will.

7. He said he’d divest himself from his financial empire, to avoid any conflicts of interest. You bought it. He remains heavily involved in his businesses, makes money off of foreign dignitaries staying at his Washington hotel, gets China to give the Trump brand trademark and copyright rights, manipulates the stock market on a daily basis, and has more conflicts of interest than can even be counted.

8. He said Clinton was in the pockets of Goldman Sachs, and would do whatever they said. You bought it. Then he put half a dozen Goldman Sachs executives in positions of power in his administration.

9. He said he’d surround himself with all the best and smartest people. You bought it. Then he put Betsy DeVos, opponent of public education, in charge of education; Jeff Sessions, opponent of the Voting Rights Act, in charge of voting rights; Ben Carson, opponent of the Fair Housing Act, in charge of fair housing; Scott Pruitt, climate change denier, in charge of the Environmental Protection Agency; and Russian quisling Rex Tillerson as Secretary of State.

10. He said he’d faithfully execute the law. You bought it. Then he said his predecessor, Barack Obama, spied on him, without any evidence of Obama ever doing so, in order to divert attention from the FBI's investigation into collusion between his campaign and Russian operatives to win the election.

11. He said he knew more about strategy and terrorism than the generals did. You bought it. Then he promptly gave the green light to a disastrous raid in Yemen- even though all his generals said it would be a terrible idea. This raid resulted in the deaths of a Navy SEAL, an 8-year old American girl, and numerous civilians. The actual target of the raid escaped, and no useful intel was gained.

12. He called Barack Obama “the vacationer-in-Chief” and accused him of playing more rounds of golf than Tiger Woods. He promised to never be the kind of president who took cushy vacations on the taxpayer’s dime, not when there was so much important work to be done. You bought it. He has by now spent more taxpayer money on vacations than Obama did in the first 3 years of his presidency. Not to mention all the money taxpayers are spending protecting his family, including his two sons who travel all over the world on Trump business.

13. He called CNN, the Washington Post and the New York Times “fake news” and said they were his enemy. You bought it. Now he gets his information from Fox News, Breitbart, Gateway Pundit, and InfoWars.

 
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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 09:02 PM
^ You, from Facebook, pull some selected snippets taken out of context that were throw together to spin lies and you bought it.

No wonder the far-left whack-jobs can't win an election.

Please keep it up so we can keep winning.


 

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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 11:12 PM
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Update for Trump voters.


I know you just copied it to post here for effect, but I think you also know that groups of people can't be so easily lumped together as all "buying" the same thing because they voted for a person. If only life was that easy, huh?

I'll give you a run down from me:

1. That does bother me and my vote for Sanders and then Trump had one of two things in common, that being a less interventionalist foreign policy. The US striking against ISIS in Syria is one thing and I am ok with that. The US expanding to striking the Syrian military/government and posturing for regime change - that is not what I voted for in 2016 in the Primary (Sanders) or the General (Trump). I wanted something different, on this one point, you're right "I bought it" and now I'm not all too happy about it.

2. My position is, regardless of candidate is any means to discourage illegal immigration plus measures to remove those here illegally is what I support. If a wall can accomplish that, good. If there are other ways to do that, good.

3. I had no expectation who he would or would not have in his administration regardless of what he may have said.

4. I have never been in the "repeal Obamacare on day 1" crowd. Repealing Obamacare or not had no influence on my vote for President.

5. I had reservations about his lack of his in-depth knowledge and political experience, but I have for some time found it appealing to see a non-political person in such a position. I did not vote for him based on a business resume. My hope was for somewhat of an independent President, which I thought could surface based some of Trump's historical views being outside the Republican party. I have been disappointed so far in this regard.

6. I felt from the beginning that his tax returns should have been released then and I still say it now. Trump is wrong for not doing so.

7. I am open and receptive to any and all legal challenges to conflicts of interests that may exist.

8. Again, I had no expectation who he would or would not surround himself with. My vote for Trump was not necessarily an anti-Hillary vote.

9. I met Trump supporters who always said "he will surround himself with good people", I was never sure what kind of people he would or wouldn't surround himself. A lack of existing political ties could've led to some unconventional picks, and it has.

10. Trump's exaggerations and often reckless tweets have been known by all (some people may believe anything). I trust the FBI is pretty good at not getting distracted and I await the findings of their investigation just like I suspect you do. Regarding the 'law', as we know even those studied and practicing can disagree on what is or is not legal.

11. Saying you know more than a general is stupid so is the basis of saying "even though all his generals said it would be a bad idea"...please do tell, who are all of "his" generals who said it would be bad...Mattis? Dunford? Flynn? The President does not draw up the execution and related coordination of a military strike. It is presented to him and he can approve it. That is what happened here. If it was a bad idea then why was it presented for his approval?

12. I have several posts here saying I am unhappy with the costs associated with his weekend travel. I did not criticize Obama for golfing, I am not criticizing Trump for golfing. I am criticizing him for the expenses his travel is creating. And the President's family needs protected. But, and as I have said here, his children who are traveling for business purposes the corporation should be picking up or reimbursing some of those travel and security expenses.

13. I get my news from a variety of sources including the ones named there.

We all over generalize. We all make blanket statements. The reality is there are lots of different people in this country, with lots of different views and many people make decisions based off of many different variables.

Honestly, I don't think I am any more a Trump supporter than I was an Obama supporter. I voted for Trump and voted 3rd party twice during the Obama elections. I believe that I offer support or criticism for things that either agree or disagree with my point of view, rather than offering support or criticism for a certain person or party whether I voted for them or not.

When somebody tells me they agree or support all the views of a political party or a candidate I don't know whether to be jealous that it is so easy for them to know who to support on every issue all the time, or I don't know whether to call them a fool for not having independent thoughts and instead just follow one side, one 'team' compared to the other. To think that so many people in this country always vote Democrat or always vote Republican just baffles my mind how so many people can all think alike.

 

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  posted on 4/9/2017 at 11:29 PM
Thank you for the thoughtful response, nebish, as opposed to the clown post that preceded yours. The point being made here is that Trump made a ton of promises and has reneged on most, if not all, of them. I know it isn't unusual for a candidate to promise more than he can deliver, but Trump has shown very little desire to do anything other than repeal the ACA and build a wall. Now even those things are on the back burner. His $1 trillion infrastructure p,an sounds good until you realize that it is vague in its scope and he has no idea where the money is coming from. The recent attack on Syria was a reaction without a long term plan. Even GOP members are questioning what is the strategy. The fact is that Trump made a lot of promises because he probably didn't think he would get elected. However, he won and was totally unprepared for the job. And the GOP isn't helping him because they are finding out that governing requires a plan and all they have done for 8 years was obstruct. The mid-terms get closer every day and the ruling party may have some serious problems if they do not get it together.
 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 12:05 AM
This administration has opened up so many avenues for criticism, most of which has started as some of their own doing.

I'm holding out hope for some kind of bipartisan big legislation yet. Some topics are just too politically charged to get both sides to agree and part of the problem there is that the party in power just has no motivation to want to work with the other side.

You mentioned infrastructure, many Democrats have said they are eager to see what the Republican plan is and they are hopeful they can support it. Hopefully that is the case. Democrats have their own bill ready and waiting, but their bill won't get introduced, that just isn't the way it works, but maybe their bill can be incorporated into a Republican plan. Or as you say, there simply isn't a plan. Trillion dollar infrastructure plans are fairly foreign for a Republican body to draw up. There will probably be something that the Democrats find objectionable, real or otherwise.

The really big one for me is going to be the punishment of outsourcing and incentivizing of insourcing or simply staying put. It was a cornerstone of the Trump campaign just like some of the other things and that is one issue that is very important to me. And I think it is very important to blue collar workers who switched parties in the rust belt to vote for Trump instead of Hillary. If we get no action on that, I think that puts Trump at his biggest peril. It is one thing for Trump's base to lose enthusiasm. It is another to lose the support of the independents or the cross-over Democrats. If we get no legislation in this direction I don't see how Trump can win PA, MI and WI again unless he is otherwise enjoying very strong economic statistics, which those specific voters may or may not be enjoying, but it all depends what else is going on to see if it matters. But remember, he told everyone that "you will never be forgotten again". I'm not sure Ryan's border adjustment tax is the right method to accomplish what Trump has talked about. We'll just have to see what tax reform looks like. Democrats should be on board with a border adjustment tax or some kind of a tariff tax, because that is what their union membership would want. But the tax package is going to be so big and have so many other things that Democrats will object to there is little hope that will be bipartisan.

So Trump has said so many different things at so many different points in time, honestly it is hard to keep track of. But out of everything, his greatest danger for relection is the trade issue. The mid-terms, I don't know because for the most part the Republican party has never focused their efforts related to trade to the worker vs the corporation. Most of the Democrats sell the workers out for corporate interests too, they just do a better job of pulling the wool over people's eyes.

One other thing on Syria here, and as much as I do not want the US to further engage the Syrian government I will offer Trump some defense and you might see it this way too. It is one thing to say you won't do something while you are a candidate and completely another when it is actually your responsibility. Now sure, you can say that makes him a bad and false candidate if he can't stand by what he believes when he has the power. OK. I'm just saying that any of us on what ever strong convictions we may have, put us in a situation that calls for action contrary to our beliefs. And all these people are saying this, showing you that, here is what should be done, here is how you do it, if you don't do it this will happen, if you don't act now we'll lose this or that...any President is going to be pushed and pulled to do things. I guess that is the flaw with Trump, that he has no concrete positions. But what I'm saying is that any person in that position is going to be influenced by the people around them. As much as I don't want to expand war with Syria, I'm not sure if I was in his shoes I wouldn't have done the same thing he approved by striking them. Plus, we don't know what the Arab allies are telling him. Remember, the King of Jordan was here this week meeting with Trump. Arab allies on our side at odds with Syria and Assad may have been pushing for something and maybe that played a role. I think when it comes to using the US military to carry out objectives, really any President except for somebody who served, maybe like HW Bush, anyone else is going to be influenced by what the military wants. The military usually gets what they want.

[Edited on 4/10/2017 by nebish]

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 08:48 AM
It was never about policy. They admire the open insults towards the people they hate. Nothing more, nothing less.
 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 09:10 AM
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It was never about policy. They admire the open insults towards the people they hate. Nothing more, nothing less.




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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 09:39 AM
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Thank you for the thoughtful response, nebish, as opposed to the clown post that preceded yours.


The hypocrisy being that Mule has never had an opinion that wasn't regurgitated from FOX News. I think we can just call it Mulepocrisy from now on.

Because Trump said so many conflicting and/or impossible promises along the campaign, a lot of people saw him as a conman, and he is not proving them wrong. Bipartisan work would be nice, but Mitch McConnell, perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, is carrying on as if he has his own fiefdom on the floor. We can only hope that Trump's vanity doesn't cause irreparable harm to governance at home and relationships abroad. nebish, I like your optimism.

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 11:17 AM
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Thank you for the thoughtful response, nebish, as opposed to the clown post that preceded yours.


The hypocrisy being that Mule has never had an opinion that wasn't regurgitated from FOX News. I think we can just call it Mulepocrisy from now on.

Because Trump said so many conflicting and/or impossible promises along the campaign, a lot of people saw him as a conman, and he is not proving them wrong. Bipartisan work would be nice, but Mitch McConnell, perhaps the biggest hypocrite of all, is carrying on as if he has his own fiefdom on the floor. We can only hope that Trump's vanity doesn't cause irreparable harm to governance at home and relationships abroad. nebish, I like your optimism.

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 12:52 PM
I'm getting to the point where I absolutely cannot believe that people actually respond to some of the posts made here.

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 01:48 PM
You forgot replacing a Stanford theoretical physicist who headed the department of energy (you know, the one that oversees nukes and nuclear power and stuff) with the dimwitted Rick Perry, a C-student who couldn't count to three in a debate ("Oops").

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 05:40 PM
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When Reid used the nuclear option to push through Obama judges we didn't her a peep out of the left.


Obviously you don't know all of the facts (big surprise). It was 2013 and a) Obama had already been repeatedly filibustered and obstructed so it was a last resort; and b) he wasn't replacing an existing nomination who was refused consideration.

Enjoy your Kool-Aid.

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 05:55 PM
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I'm getting to the point where I absolutely cannot believe that people actually respond to some of the posts made here.




hey, I'm STILL on the lookout for that tee shirt...

 

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  posted on 4/10/2017 at 06:24 PM
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When Reid used the nuclear option to push through Obama judges we didn't her a peep out of the left.


Obviously you don't know all of the facts (big surprise). It was 2013 and a) Obama had already been repeatedly filibustered and obstructed so it was a last resort; and b) he wasn't replacing an existing nomination who was refused consideration.

Enjoy your Kool-Aid.

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Reid changed the long standing Senate tradition to allow Obama to load the courts with activist judgers.

The Republican simply used the same change Reid used to put a judge on the Supreme Court to replace Scalia. No change in the balance of the court.

Reid and the Democrats blew it and can now suffer for their own deeds.


 

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  posted on 4/11/2017 at 08:28 AM
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I'm getting to the point where I absolutely cannot believe that people actually respond to some of the posts made here.


With limited activity and fewer members posting, if one wants to be be involved in the WP threads you have to go with what is out there.

I get a good chuckle out of alot of posts.

 

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  posted on 4/12/2017 at 09:41 AM
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I'm getting to the point where I absolutely cannot believe that people actually respond to some of the posts made here.

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  posted on 4/12/2017 at 11:33 AM
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/11/greg-gutfeld-how-to-explain-trump -to-your-liberal-friends-not-that-theyll-listen.html

 

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  posted on 4/12/2017 at 12:07 PM
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http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/04/11/greg-gutfeld-how-to-explain-trump -to-your-liberal-friends-not-that-theyll-listen.html


That's it. We're all simpletons that need it explained to us. How did I not realize this?

 

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