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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 08:44 PM
Following comments in Trump's Saturday Florida speech and the news reports that followed, what did he say, what did he mean...tonight CNN's 2 person panel debates the issue.

Are there problems in Sweden related to large numbers of refugees coming to them? Is crime up, is crime down? No surprise, those not typically agreeing with Trump say he is dead wrong, listening to a twisted news story on Fox rather than relying on facts. The other side more typical of defending Trump say that there is a spike in crime and assimilation problems and terror concerns within the Swedish population of Muslim refugees.

Alot has been written on this since Saturday, alot of it politically motivated to either cast doubt on Trump or to vindicate him.

Here is a BBC story from last fall about some of what is going on in Sweden

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How Sweden became an exporter of jihad
By Yalda Hakim BBC News. Gothenburg

7 October 2016

Sweden is a peaceful democratic state that has long been a safe haven for those fleeing conflict. Yet many young people whose families took refuge there are now turning their back on the country. More than 300 people have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq, making Sweden per capita one of the biggest exporters of jihadists in Europe.

I meet a young woman in the basement of a building in Gothenburg, Sweden's second city. She seems like any other young Western woman, wearing tight clothing and make-up. But she has recently returned from Raqqa in Syria, where her husband died fighting for the so-called Islamic State (IS).

She recalls some of the horrors she witnessed there. The sound of Yazidi women being raped in the room next to hers; offenders being lashed and executed; the constant bombardment and airstrikes - all part of the daily life of a jihadi bride.

To begin with, it had seemed more appealing - she had been glad to be there. But after her husband died she began to notice things that were alien to the religion she had been brought up in.

"When they burned the Jordanian pilot I asked them why they burn up a human being. Is that right in Islam? What I know is that you are not allowed to burn anyone."

With the help of another IS fighter, she managed to get smuggled out of Syria, across the border to Turkey before flying back to Sweden. She shows me pictures of her Kalashnikov and her injured daughter, her face covered with shrapnel wounds.

Why did she decide to join IS, I ask?

"When you go this way you don't think about the worldly life. Like I can have a good bed. You don't care about these things. You just think about the fastest way I can die and go to heaven."

After the interview I drop her off on the outskirts of the city. Driving away, I notice her playing with a stray cat - looking just like any other shy young girl.

Gothenburg is where much of the recruitment for jihad is taking place. With a population of just over half a million, this port city and former industrial powerhouse has seen at least 100 men and women leave to join militants fighting for the proclaimed caliphate.

It's one of Sweden's most diverse cities. A third of the population are from immigrant backgrounds, many of them Muslim, and in the north-eastern suburb of Angered, the proportion rises to more than 70%.

Sweden's massive housing shortage and long waits for rent controlled apartments in the centre of town mean that many new arrivals end up here, and stay here. This includes some of the 160,000 people who sought asylum in Sweden last year.

Angered has become a tough area to police.

Parts of it are classified as "vulnerable", which in Swedish police terminology indicates a breakdown of law and order, among other things, and the emergence of a parallel society.

I am told that religious enforcers attempt to control the community to ensure Sharia law is adhered to. They allegedly harass and intimidate people - mainly women - for the way they dress and for attending parties where there is music and dancing, which they consider haram.

Meanwhile, two-thirds of children have dropped out of school by the time they are 15, and unemployment is 11% - high by Swedish standards. It's these vulnerable young people that the extremists target.

One softly spoken young man - who I will call Imran - told me hardline recruiters were manipulating young people who had lost their way, and encouraging them to join IS.

"Like a big brother will say to you, like a father will say to you, 'Stop doing drugs, stop hitting people. Come with us instead. Fight for God. Fight for Allah. Fight for your freedom of the Muslims. The Muslim people are being killed and raped. You are wasting your life. You don't get nothing from the Swedish people.'

"This guy has been a criminal just like me and done a lot of bad stuff. And now he is coming to me and telling me, 'You have to change.'"

Imran was initially eager to travel to the Middle East and join IS. But after seeing videos and photographs of their brutality he says he is now afraid, and wants to build a life for himself in Sweden instead.

Suburbs like Angered have become pressure cookers of discontent.

You see this built-up resentment mainly with the second-generation "non-ethnic Swedes", as they're known here.

Many of their parents fled war-torn countries in search of safety and found it in Sweden. They appear grateful for what the country has offered them. Their children, however, often feel they've been discriminated against and left out of the system. Many young people I spoke to said they felt disconnected from the country where their parents came from - but didn't feel they were Swedish either.

The issues here have been further compounded by the sudden influx of refugees fleeing wars in Syria and Iraq. Accepting refugees is part of what it means to be Swedish. Last year alone, Sweden accepted more refugees per capita than any other European country.

Ulf Bostrom, a veteran Gothenburg policeman who has become Sweden's only "integration officer", puts part of the blame for the problems the city now faces on police cutbacks.

"We have lost more than 50% of the policemen working in uniform in the different areas - 50%," he says. "You can see for yourself. How many policemen have you seen during your time here in the areas you have been to? Have you seen any?" No, I reply.

Bostrom himself, however, is a well-known figure in Gothenburg's suburbs and spends most of his time building trust and engaging with the migrant community and different faith groups.

He took me to the Bellevue mosque on the outskirts of Gothenburg, which is reported to have ties to various Islamist and terrorist-designated organisations. Many of the people who have gone to Syria and Iraq have had connections here, and spiritual leader of al-Shabaab, Hassan Hussein, visited in 2009.

Later I attended Friday prayer at Angered's largest mosque where about 500 worshippers had gathered. The imam, who came to Sweden from Syria three years ago, urged them to respect Swedish laws and customs and to assimilate as much as they could into mainstream society. But I was told that on one occasion two men stood up and verbally attacked him for condemning extremism, before they were escorted out. Just another indication of how divided and polarised these communities are.

What has happened to Swedes who have travelled to Iraq and Syria, I ask Bostrom.

"Well there is a number of 311 or so but none who have come back have been arrested. I think our terrorism law is not functioning well enough," he says.

Only in April was the law changed to make it illegal to travel abroad with the intention to commit acts of terrorism.

Klas Friberg, the regional police chief and Ulf Bostrom's boss, says the authorities are aware of the problems they face, and know that security needs to be improved in areas where parallel societies have taken shape.

But the reality is that right now young people from immigrant backgrounds are being radicalised.

Why would someone raised in Gothenburg want to leave one of the most peaceful and progressive countries in the developed world to join a violent extremist group in the Middle East?

With so many of them saying they don't feel Swedish, perhaps the bigger question is: has integration and Sweden's experiment with multiculturalism failed?

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-37578919


 
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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 08:57 PM
i spent a lot of time in denmark from 99 to 10. it is a very diverse city. i hung out in a very muslim immigrant part of town. i noticed through the years gang wars between Hells Angels and the immigrant gangs over the drug trade. it got a little bloody, even on the street my GF lived on. its not so violent now and hasn't been for 5-7 years but it did help fuel the anti immigrant feeling in the city. so much so that the native population started electing politicians like they have in the UK and here. i read a story today about how Denmark is trying to quell those fears politically today. i don't talk to my ex anymore and she moved to Greenland anyhow....so i don't know how bad it is there anymore. but i never met a bad immigrant there in all that time. lol met a few bad natives though, although the HA always said hello to me when i came back into town. man they had some nice bikes too. i always talked to them about their bikes so they always remembered me when i came back into town.

lol now i forget my point....just reminising i guess

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:22 PM
Speaking of gangs, gangs, violence and crime among immigrant children rises in Sweden

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How Sweden became an example of how not to handle immigration

We’ve taken in far too many people and we’re letting them down badly – especially the children


3 September 2016

9:00 AM

Stockholm

For a British boy to be killed by a grenade attack anywhere is appalling, but for it to happen in a suburb of Gothenburg should shatter a few illusions about Sweden. Last week’s murder of eight-year-old Yuusuf Warsame fits a pattern that Swedes have come slowly to recognise over the years. He was from Birmingham, visiting relatives, and was caught up in what Swedish police believe is a gang war within the Somali community. Last year, a four-year-old girl was killed by a car bomb outside Gothenburg, another apparent victim of gang violence.

For years, Sweden has regarded itself as a ‘humanitarian superpower’ — making its mark on the world not by fighting wars but by offering shelter to war’s victims. Refugees have arrived here in extraordinary numbers. Over the past 15 years, some 650,000 asylum-seekers made their way to Sweden. Of the 163,000 who arrived last year, 32,000 were granted asylum. Sweden accepts more refugees in proportion to size of population than any other nation in the developed world — when it comes to offering shelter, no one does it better. But when it comes to integrating those we take in (or finding the extra housing, schools and healthcare needed for them), we don’t do so well.

It may be news to the rest of the world, but gang warfare has been a feature of our country for years now. Stockholm has been witness to Dickensian scenes of young pickpockets and thieves playing games of cat-and-mouse with the police, who feel powerless. Until fairly recently, Sweden was admired for its progressive social policies. Today, one in seven voters supports the Sweden Democrats, a populist party until recently reviled in polite Swedish society.

The problems relating to immigration have been building up for years, but the country’s left and right were united in maintaining employment regulations and rent controls that kept immigrants unemployed in ghetto-like suburbs. As a result, we lost valuable time. Three years ago, there were riots in socially deprived areas of Stockholm, and it’s only got worse since then. A parallel society is emerging where the state’s monopoly on law and order is being challenged. ‘Today, the gang environment is — well, I don’t want to exactly call it the Wild West, but something in that direction,’ says Amir Rostami, an authority on Swedish organised crime who teaches at Stockholm University.

Integrating adults into Swedish society has been tricky enough, but a much more difficult problem is how to deal with all the unaccompanied children. During the Iraq war, about 400 children arrived without their parents each year — and all of them needed a place to live, social support and proper schooling. In 2014, when the number of children arriving annually hit 7,000, there were serious questions about how Sweden would cope. Last year, just over 35,000 unaccompanied children registered with the authorities.

The children are every age and arrive from all kinds of countries. Afghans and Somalis are currently the two biggest groups. Then come Syrians, Ethiopians, Iraqis, Moroccans and Eritreans. Some are fleeing war; many are fleeing poverty and misery. Strikingly, boys outnumber girls by about five to one. And it’s far from clear how many may in fact be adults — unlike other countries, Sweden doesn’t test for age. Whatever age the applicant gives is accepted, unless it’s ‘obviously’ untrue. The definition of ‘obvious’ is unclear. During one recent interview on Swedish radio, several asylum-seekers confessed to lying about their age to improve their chances of settlement. One, called Dawood, put it bluntly: ‘If I say I’m grown-up, they’ll deport me.’

The cost of accommodating our child refugees is enormous: £160 per child per day. That could be money well spent, if it worked. There are serious concerns, though, about children falling victim to predatory adults who have lied about their age. Earlier this year, a boy of 12 was raped in refugee accommodation by another refugee who claimed to be 15. A dental X-ray suggested the attacker was closer to 19. Later that month, a 22-year-old Swede (herself the daughter of immigrants) was stabbed to death by one of the refugees she was caring for — another adult claiming to be 15.

Such horrific stories raise the fear that the authorities have lost control. This is reflected in the extraordinary rise of the Sweden Democrats. There have also been a spate of attacks on refugee centres, some of which have been burnt down. For many, this seems like history repeating itself — similar attacks occurred in the 1990s, after a rapid influx of Balkan refugees. Such acts cast a dark shadow over our reputation for tolerance.

A while ago, I spoke to Lasse Siggelin, a social worker living in Gotland, who is alarmed at how many unaccompanied children are being placed in refugee care homes that seem hopelessly unfit for the task. Carers are instructed not to talk about the asylum process, or even to ask about the children’s backgrounds. ‘We can’t ask about their home, or about their parents,’ says Siggelin. ‘But such things occupy 90 per cent of their thoughts.’

Child refugees are sent to Swedish schools, but they struggle to integrate and are sometimes placed in separate groups, because of their vastly different learning needs. It’s pretty hard to bond with your classmates if you have to return every night to a care home. Even if school staff want to help, they seldom have the time or capacity to offer a shoulder to cry on. Instead, the children are directed to scheduled appointments with a child psychiatrist. As Siggelin explains, ‘If we don’t acknowledge the hurt and sadness that is there, then there are always people queuing up prepared to lead them astray.’

Those ‘queuing up’ include drug dealers, pimps, gangmasters and even jihadists. Sweden’s care homes have become a rich source of vulnerable young men who are full of frustration and hopelessness and lacking in direction. They may be open to the temptation of easy rewards, or of a path that they are promised will bring new meaning to their lives. There have been reports of Islamic State recruitment drives, not just in public places, but inside Swedish government programmes. Last year my newspaper, Svenska Dagbladet, exposed how some official schemes had been infiltrated by jihadists.

But stories of shocking abuse, the kind that would be front-page news in Britain, are relegated to the inside pages of the Swedish press. Tragically, the reason for this is that there is so much of it. In the last few weeks, we have heard about child prostitutes being pimped out in parking lots, and a Palestinian 15-year-old who, it is feared, was forced into prostitution while living in a care home in Malmo. For some time now, children in care homes have been notoriously easy prey and many of them simply vanish — over the past five years, well over a thousand have done so. These children face a sickeningly high risk of being sucked into a life of crime or even sex slavery. As their abusers well know, there is virtually no chance of anyone coming to look for the ones who go missing.

‘There is basically nothing we can do,’ says the head of Skane border police. ‘In some cases, we don’t even have descriptions of the children. So there is no means of identifying them… no information about relatives. We have nothing to work with.’ Lisa Green, who monitors human trafficking in Malmo, has reported 40 cases of suspected child trafficking to the police over the past few years but says her complaints were not even recorded. ‘Nobody is dealing with human trafficking,’ says Mattias Sigfridsson, head of the police department that deals with missing persons. ‘We have no ability to do that right now — there are no staff.’

In response to the crisis that threatens to overwhelm it, Swedish politics has become more realistic, less romantic. Passports are now being checked on the famous Oresund bridge that links Sweden with Denmark. As a result, the journey time has doubled, horrifying Malmo residents who like to regard their city as a satellite of Copenhagen, and making cross-border business more difficult. These new checks have helped fight other crimes, such as drug dealing and drink driving. (Sweden’s minister for sixth-form education failed a breathalyser test and later resigned.)

And still the authorities struggle to deal with the problem of what to do with migrants whose asylum claims are rejected. Between January and April this year, the Migration Agency handed over some 2,645 cases to the police for deportation. Just 1,255 of these are classified as complete — two thirds were deported by force, while the rest left the country voluntarily. Police estimate they will deport 4,000 people this year, up a third from last year, but not much of a dent in the 22,000 cases currently under consideration. Many, of course, will have been summoned and then suddenly disappeared into the expanding Swedish underworld.

As the refugees have arrived, ordinary Swedes have responded in an extraordinary way; individuals and families have opened up their homes, donated clothes and supplies, invested time and effort. Businesses have also found ways to help child refugees to integrate properly into Swedish society by offering opportunities for work. But with the best will in the world, it’s still a race against time.

‘If you are not prepared, you are unprepared.’ These are the words of Fredrik Reinfeldt, our former prime minister, and perfectly sum up Sweden’s migration crisis. We still hear politicians defiantly claim that our country is a humanitarian superpower — but they don’t do so as often, and they sound distinctly less smug when they do. The Swedish Way might not shine quite as brightly as a beacon to the world. But anyone who wants to find out how not to handle a migration crisis is welcome to pay us a visit.

http://www.spectator.co.uk/2016/09/how-sweden-became-an-example-of-how-not- to-handle-immigration/


 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:28 PM
Banditos, Hells Angels and immigrant Black Cobra gang have all been at war in varying degree's for decades

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:32 PM
an article from 2008, i used to follow this alot around this time and before

The biker group Hells Angels seem to be coming back at the at the moment still dominating immigrant gangs, with their new support group AK81, which is increasingly gaining support from Danes who are not first and foremost interested in bikes or crime, but who have grown increasingly hostile to especially muslim immigrants, after ever increasing street violence, knife attacks, robberies and rape from the side of muslim immigrants.

The rates for violent crime and especially rape related cases have gone up dramatically with the increasing number of muslim immigrants.

Large numbers of Danes, not otherwise interested in motorcycles or gang related criminal activity, are reported to sign up under the new banner of the HA support group AK81 '81' being synonymous with the letters HA), and AK probably referring to the famous AK 47 'Kalashnikov' submachine gun, as well as meaning Always Ready [Altid Klar] in Danish.

For many years motorcycle gangs such as the illustrious Hells Angels and muslim dominated street gangs managed to exist side by side in relative peace, in the struggle for control of the market for illegal drugs, especially cannabis, but also other forms of crime.

The later years the ethnic Danish gangs such as Hells Angels were increasingly coming under pressure from the muslim gangs, who showed to be far more relentless in their methods, and much less afraid of the possible judicial consequences of their actions, besides being much more numerous, and able to draw upon support from much of the immigrant community not otherwise involved in similar crime.

Police and helped immigrant gangs by keeping down Danish bikers

One of the reasons that the immigrant gangs have been able to gain in strength, is because they are much less visible for the police than the motorcycle gang members, who are easily identified, because of their style of dress with visible logos, their more limited numbers and often also because of their physical stature.

The Hells Angels are tightly organized, and almost all members are known by the police, who have kept these groups under constant observation, making it increasingly difficult for them to defend themselves and their territories from the muslim gangs, who are much more loosely knit, are not easily identifiable and have their respective languages to complicate things for the Danish police.

In the recent past Hells Angels' members have been attacked openly by members of the ethnic crime syndicates, and one of their properties has been attacked and demolished by immigrant gangs. Some chapters closed after that. But not only the police has for all practical purposes more or less taken the part of the immigrants. The press too has been an active player in minimizing the problem with the many criminal immigrants, at the same time deamonizing any similar Danish groups. The words racism creep in everywhere, although it seldom has any relevance in these cases.

AK81, the new Hells Angels' support team

Now a newly established support group of 'hangarounds' has been established, and the Angels are openly recruiting for their team, saying that it is not neccesary to own a motorcycle to be a member. This has had a dramatic effect, and large numbers of young Danes are volunteering for the new movement, hoping that they will be able to contribute to the fight against the muslim invaders, who so far have been successful in obtaining almost total street domination.

The police, who have used all their resources at keeping the bikers in check, have used a far more soft touch towards the muslim gangs. Very often the police withdraw from confrontations, and leave demolishing hordes of immigrants untouched, contrary to a simple house search or an arrest relating to the Bikers' gangs, when they arrive in overwhelming numbers, ready with bullet proof vests and automatic weapons.

Jaegersborg Street in Copenhagen

Only little more than a week ago, a gang of about 50 immigrants rampaged a whole street in Copenhagen Jægersborgsgade, a local neighborhood where some HA members have their homess, indiscriminately smashing up a number of cars. The police watched helplessly, and no arrests were made. The action was a display off of power, after bikers and their new supporter from AK81, had held a silent and non violent march through to demonstrate their willingness to fight for their turf.

Police powerless against immigrant gangs

Partly this is part of a government and EU strategy, which puts great restrictions on the police when dealing with immigrants and immigrant gangs. There always are the accusations of 'racism', and the muslim gangs are also feared much more than the bikers when it comes to their threats to harm individual police officers or their families. Many policemen whose identities are known by the immigrant gangs, would rather not have their house torched or their loved ones attacked by the invaders who have taken their extremely violent mentality with them straight from the Middle East.

Cell phone Jihad

One of the most powerful weapons of the immigrant gangs is that they are able to gather large numbers of supporters in the run of a few minutes. They do this using cell phones. They have been using this method, not only for criminal gang related activity, but it is often used when immigrants get involved in traffic accidents.

They are on the spot in large numbers ten times faster than the police, when one of their fellow ethnics 'needs support'. Recently a family father was knifed in the back during a standoff about a completely minor traffic accident. Anybody who gets into a confrontation with one of these often knife wielding immigrant thugs, risks getting into a war with a whole brotherhood, which doesn't shy away from threatening witnesses, even in court, or on the steps of the court house.

The mainly muslim immigrants supported perhaps by a few Danish renegades, have often completely blocked off accident sites, to the extent that ambulances either could not reach the spot, or in other cases were attacked with stones and other forms of violence. The same scene often plays out when the fire brigade is sent to an ethnic neighborhood to put out a burning car or a waste container, and firefighters in some cities now refuse to work except under police protection, which often means a long delay when alarmed about a fire.

The cell phone organized criminal jihad of course benefits greatly from the immigrants use of Arabic, Urdu and other languages, making it much harder for the authorities to monitor their communications, while the content of communication between the native groups is much easier to access.

Left wing extremists and immigrant thugs

But the biker groups, their AK81 supporters and the immigrants are not the only players in this game.

The extreme left in Denmark, known under various names such as AFA, Antifa, ARN, autonome [autonomous], SUF and countless other aliases also is involved. The last mentioned SUF group, actually is an official part of the organized left wing extremist party Enhedslisten, which is represented in parliament. But reality shows, that although there are many such groups, the people involved are largely the same across these red fascist groups.

The extreme left even has its own intelligence service, the secretive REDOX, and the closely related DEMOS outlet.

Both groups which have managed to appear in the mainstream media, as so called 'neutral observers and documenters ' of 'the racist activities of 'right wing extremist groups', as they like to present themselves.

This notwithstanding the fact that e.g. the DEMOS personel through the years has maintained close connections with convicted members of Denmarks first and most dangerous left wing terrorist groups the internationally connected Blekingegade Gang, revering the same ideologists and sharing the same sympathies for organizations such as the PFLP and the South American terrorist group FARC.

During the last at least ten years, these red fascist groups have been able to turn any and all expressions from anti-immigration or anti-islamic organizations and individuals into a battle zone.

No matter who demonstrated for any purpose the anarchists deemed unworthy, even congregations mainly consisting of pensioners, were met in the streets by yells of 'Nazis go home', stones, paint bombs, firecrackers, fists and iron pipes.

Old ladies past their 7oth birthday have been knocked to the ground or hit with iron pipes, as happened recently in Copenhagen before a SIAD (a non violent anti-racist organization against islamization) demonstration, where two cars filled with people were attacked in an underground parking garage.

The left wing extremist groups have on several occasions been supported by some immigrants, who are always looking for an opportunity to riot, and the left wing extremists have also supported angry muslim mobs during demonstrations.

Vejle: violent clashes between 'neo-Nazis' and left wing extremists.

Just a few days ago, on Thursdag september 11, a short but intense fight devellopped in the city of Vejle in Jutland, as members of the left wing extremist group SUF, were confronted by a group which in the media was described as 'neo-Nazies', but as it turns out more likely was made up of some members from the AK81 support group.

This time the red fascists suffered severe defeat, and several were injured.

According to the left wing extremists themselves, they were attacked by 'neo-Nazis', which was repeated in the press, even though the statements given by the police were not supporting that theory:

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:35 PM
even though that speaks of rape and crime....the real war is all over the drug trade.....used to be mostly hash and weed and coke and Xtasy.....its deeper than that now. but not as intense.....least last i checked and i haven't checked in a 5-6 years

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:45 PM
back in the 80's 90's the HA and bandido's were really where the war was.....in late 90's to now the Black Cobra's are in the equation

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:56 PM
i mean Biker gangs have close connections to inner city gangs in the USA and Canada also....or Russia

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 09:57 PM
it's all about money

 

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  posted on 2/20/2017 at 10:05 PM
now what's really cool to study is how the legalization of weed and the biker gangs worked in Amsterdam and the Netherlands

 

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  posted on 2/21/2017 at 01:45 PM
Well, whatever crime or gangs existed beforehand, throw in hundreds of thousands of refugees and immigrants into a country of less than ten million the social and safety net programs and law enforcement get stretched beyond their limits, even the most generous, as Sweden is considered, has had to slow the inflow down. And the extremist sentiment among their immigrants is certainly never a good thing for a country to deal with.

European nations will be seeing backlashes at their ballot boxes from native citizens.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2017 at 02:27 PM
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/world/europe/trump-pursues-his-attack-on -sweden-with-scant-evidence.html?_r=0 trump can't tell the difference between "fake" and "factual" news?.
 

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  posted on 2/21/2017 at 03:54 PM
Hopefully Trump will get around to caring more about America than Sweden.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2017 at 05:46 PM
I'm just surprised he didn't mention Chicago again......

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 12:21 AM
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/world/europe/trump-pursues-h is-attack-on-sweden-with-scant-evidence.html?_r=0 trump can't tell the difference between "fake" and "factual" news?.


Well this certainly agrees with Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw
Really? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/19/donald-trump /donald-trump-florida-rally-laments-attack-last-nig/

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 12:47 AM
quote:
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/20/world/europe/trump-pur sues-his-attack-on-sweden-with-scant-evidence.html?_r=0 trump can't tell the difference between "fake" and "factual" news?.


Well this certainly agrees with Trump.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPtNON6sHXw
Really? http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2017/feb/19/donald-trump /donald-trump-florida-rally-laments-attack-last-nig/
Keep on getting your "facts" from a jag-off on the alex jones website!

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 06:58 AM
What is fake and what isn't?

From BBC article I started the thread with, is the BBC not to be trusted now? The article is from October 2016. Does now pointing out the problems with accepting such high numbers of immigrants and refugees from the middle east mean it must be met with denial because Trump can never ever be right about anything?

Is Sweden having problems?

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More than 300 people have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq, making Sweden per capita one of the biggest exporters of jihadists in Europe.


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Angered has become a tough area to police.

Parts of it are classified as "vulnerable", which in Swedish police terminology indicates a breakdown of law and order, among other things, and the emergence of a parallel society.

I am told that religious enforcers attempt to control the community to ensure Sharia law is adhered to. They allegedly harass and intimidate people - mainly women - for the way they dress and for attending parties where there is music and dancing, which they consider haram.

Meanwhile, two-thirds of children have dropped out of school by the time they are 15, and unemployment is 11% - high by Swedish standards. It's these vulnerable young people that the extremists target.


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What has happened to Swedes who have travelled to Iraq and Syria, I ask Bostrom.

"Well there is a number of 311 or so but none who have come back have been arrested. I think our terrorism law is not functioning well enough," he says.

Only in April was the law changed to make it illegal to travel abroad with the intention to commit acts of terrorism.

Klas Friberg, the regional police chief and Ulf Bostrom's boss, says the authorities are aware of the problems they face, and know that security needs to be improved in areas where parallel societies have taken shape.

But the reality is that right now young people from immigrant backgrounds are being radicalised.

Why would someone raised in Gothenburg want to leave one of the most peaceful and progressive countries in the developed world to join a violent extremist group in the Middle East?

With so many of them saying they don't feel Swedish, perhaps the bigger question is: has integration and Sweden's experiment with multiculturalism failed?




 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 08:41 AM
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Well, whatever crime or gangs existed beforehand, throw in hundreds of thousands of refugees and immigrants into a country of less than ten million the social and safety net programs and law enforcement get stretched beyond their limits, even the most generous, as Sweden is considered, has had to slow the inflow down. And the extremist sentiment among their immigrants is certainly never a good thing for a country to deal with.



That's a pretty dismal outlook on immigration. I get the theory that mo' people, mo' problems, but Sweden has a pretty solid social safety net and the increase in people is negligible. If a country can and is willing to welcome those from less fortunate circumstances, it by all means should, regardless of extremist sentiment.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 11:23 AM
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Does now pointing out the problems with accepting such high numbers of immigrants and refugees from the middle east mean it must be met with denial because Trump can never ever be right about anything?


How about we take a look at Immigrant-on-American crime as compared with American-on-American crime and go from there?

It wasn't that long ago that every conservative in America was mocking Obama for crisis creation. Now we're supposed to freak out about the current social scenarios in Sweden?

This repeat notion that we need to default to giving Trump the benefit of the doubt on everything is getting a little silly, no disrespect intended.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 11:31 AM
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What is fake and what isn't?

From BBC article I started the thread with, is the BBC not to be trusted now? The article is from October 2016. Does now pointing out the problems with accepting such high numbers of immigrants and refugees from the middle east mean it must be met with denial because Trump can never ever be right about anything?

Is Sweden having problems?

quote:
More than 300 people have gone to fight in Syria and Iraq, making Sweden per capita one of the biggest exporters of jihadists in Europe.


quote:
Angered has become a tough area to police.

Parts of it are classified as "vulnerable", which in Swedish police terminology indicates a breakdown of law and order, among other things, and the emergence of a parallel society.

I am told that religious enforcers attempt to control the community to ensure Sharia law is adhered to. They allegedly harass and intimidate people - mainly women - for the way they dress and for attending parties where there is music and dancing, which they consider haram.

Meanwhile, two-thirds of children have dropped out of school by the time they are 15, and unemployment is 11% - high by Swedish standards. It's these vulnerable young people that the extremists target.


quote:
What has happened to Swedes who have travelled to Iraq and Syria, I ask Bostrom.

"Well there is a number of 311 or so but none who have come back have been arrested. I think our terrorism law is not functioning well enough," he says.

Only in April was the law changed to make it illegal to travel abroad with the intention to commit acts of terrorism.

Klas Friberg, the regional police chief and Ulf Bostrom's boss, says the authorities are aware of the problems they face, and know that security needs to be improved in areas where parallel societies have taken shape.

But the reality is that right now young people from immigrant backgrounds are being radicalised.

Why would someone raised in Gothenburg want to leave one of the most peaceful and progressive countries in the developed world to join a violent extremist group in the Middle East?

With so many of them saying they don't feel Swedish, perhaps the bigger question is: has integration and Sweden's experiment with multiculturalism failed?




The facts are:There was NO terrorist attacks in Sweden on feb 17 by immigrants, or any other time. he was referring to a "fake" news report he viewed on fox news, his favorite news outlet. if fear-mongering is your thing, trump is your guy!.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 11:45 AM
Trump has access to the greatest intelligence network in the world. He gets his news from Fox.
 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 07:44 PM
Theo your party has control of the House Senate and President and soon the SCOTUS.....also most state legislatures.........quit whining to us and DEMAND action

 

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  posted on 2/22/2017 at 07:47 PM
Theo who gives a sh!t what Liberals say or want......you are in control......DO SOMETHING

 

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  posted on 4/7/2017 at 09:10 PM
Sad day but Trump was right

 

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  posted on 4/7/2017 at 09:25 PM
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Sad day but Trump was right


About what? Sweden? No. not even close.

 
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