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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 12:58 PM
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Interesting that there are folks on here that at the very least are making light of the use of physical violence and the destruction of property, and at worst seem to actually be defending those actions and crimes.


How very weasel-wordy in a non-specific way! Clever!

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 01:08 PM
Bhawk - I totally agree that arguments escalating to violence are going to happen. My question pertains to how should we respond when it does happen...do we condone/encourage it or do we condemn it? Do we view it as wrong or right behavior? I would think that no matter how nasty we get towards one another on these forums, and no matter how heated the debate or how wide the political divide...I'm assuming that if we ever met face to face we would not have a desire to physically assault one another. I have lots of friends, co-workers, and family from all across the political spectrum. However, none of us believe that the initiation of violence is morally right. Even my friends from the far left corner are not defending what happened at Berkeley. But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.
 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 01:15 PM
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But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.


Who are these folks you keep referring to?

Look, the whole respectful agree to disagree thing, society is past that. The chasm deepens every day.

As to the Berkeley incidents, again...

Let's say that we define the "left" as just people that voted for Clinton. 150 people out of 65 million is 0.0002%. Besides, anarchists don't vote anyway. If you believe that 0.0002% is representative of 65 million, then further conversations like these are pointless.

A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 01:27 PM
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A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?


Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?

Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 01:48 PM
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However, none of us believe that the initiation of violence is morally right. Even my friends from the far left corner are not defending what happened at Berkeley. But apparently some folks here at the WP think it's OK...just a few broken windows, suppression of free speech, people beaten or pepper sprayed, police doing nothing...no big deal. It's all Trump's fault so it's all good.


Ok, so it was wrong. What is your point? That they are typical of the left? If you believe that then you are a fool. We all know violence exists, so isn't the bigger story that our President urged violence during his campaign?

[Edited on 2/3/2017 by BoytonBrother]

 

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A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?


Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?

Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?


Obtuse deflections, no counters to engage in deeper discussion. Been here before.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 02:37 PM
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A white supremacist thinks I should be put into a concentration camp. You want me to give him a hug?


Of course not. But what does this have to do with Berkeley?

Where are white supremacists putting people in concentration camps?


The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. The people who were actually protesting him were also attacked, right alongside Milo supporters, by the anarchists dressed in black. So it's kind of a clusterF.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 03:11 PM
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The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .


Don't hold back...

 

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The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .


Don't hold back...

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 04:04 PM
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The initial protest was against Milo Yiannopoulos, a Breitbart editor and all around racist, white supremacist douchebag. .


Don't hold back...


I thought I was. He thinks he's some anti-PC crusader, but he's just a loud, racist attention-seeker. But if you'd like to tell me I'm wrong and defend him, have at it...

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 04:04 PM
What a world we live in when a white, gay, jewish man is labeled a nazi.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:26 PM
Yeah...And a white guy who dates black men is a white supremacist? Go figure.

And even if he is a racist douchebag...doesn't he have a right to free speech?

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:36 PM
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Opposed to the pipeline but can't openly criticise the strongarm tactics of the goons. Getting all in a huff over radical protesters but fine with corporate-military jackboot thug government. Spare us your pseudo-moderate thinly veiled ultraconservative self-righteous wishwash. I respect authentic bacon like mule and luke over artificially flavored saccharin "conservative lite". No fat, no calories, no substance, no guts, just pure whining ego. You're no Ghandi. You are just looking for an excuse to justify violent suppression of dissent.

The giveaway was your word "initiate". Not ok to initiate violence. OK to kick ass if someone else starts something though, right?


What "corporate-military jackboot thug" and "strong arm tactics" are you referring to?

The only people who are justifying violent suppression of opposing views are the very people that were rioting at Berkeley...the people you are defending. They used violence to suppress free speech.

Correct...self-defense in response to violence is morally justified. Initiating violence is not.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:38 PM
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Ahhh, remember this? http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/trump-warns-supporters-may-ri ot-fears-violence-escalate-n540516


Very,very lame! When the right as they call em,take's to the streets like maniac's,rioting,burning car's,beating up innocent men and women like the progressive liberal's have done over and over and over,and are still doing right now,then get back with me.

Ahhhhhhhhh!

[Edited on 2/3/2017 by LUKE]

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:42 PM
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Yeah...And a white guy who dates black men is a white supremacist? Go figure.

And even if he is a racist douchebag...doesn't he have a right to free speech?


Last I checked with the righists, only American citizens have full constitutional rights.

 

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What a world we live in when a white, gay, jewish man is labeled a nazi.


Who labeled him a Nazi?

 

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So he's not a citizen? I have no idea...never even heard of him until two nights ago. But yeah...then that definitely justifies the violence...right.

Odd that you say these thugs don't represent your views and yet you seem to be defending their actions.


 

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And a white guy who dates black men is a white supremacist? Go figure.


I'm not surprised that this scenario confuses you.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:51 PM
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So he's not a citizen? I have no idea...never even heard of him until two nights ago. But yeah...then that definitely justifies the violence...right.

Odd that you say these thugs don't represent your views and yet you seem to be defending their actions.




Where did I defend their actions?

Stop being so obtuse and say what you want to say.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 05:59 PM
Yup. Rightist in disguise, pretending to not like either side. Always so transparent.

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 06:02 PM
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So he's not a citizen? I have no idea...never even heard of him until two nights ago. But yeah...then that definitely justifies the violence...right.

Odd that you say these thugs don't represent your views and yet you seem to be defending their actions.




Where did I defend their actions?

Stop being so obtuse and say what you want to say.


Just "drawing conclusions"...

 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 06:09 PM
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What "corporate-military jackboot thug" and "strong arm tactics" are you referring to?


Dog attacks on peaceful protestors, children at Standing Rock, for starters:

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Don't know much about what happened at Standing Rock, but assuming the protestors were peaceful and on their own property, then I would be opposed to any tactics being used against them whether by private security or government agents. If dogs were unleashed upon peaceful protestors, then whoever did it should be held accountable. And like I said, I am opposed to the pipeline and believe that anyone - farmers, Indians, whoever they may be - have a right to their property and the government cannot take it to build a pipeline. Not sure how I can state it any clearer.






 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 06:25 PM
If you voted for our President who used the F word during his campaign, mocked the disabled, and urged violence, then you brought this on yourself.
 

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  posted on 2/3/2017 at 06:29 PM
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Yup. Rightist in disguise, pretending to not like either side. Always so transparent.


There are more than one of them on this forum.

 

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So he's not a citizen? I have no idea...never even heard of him until two nights ago. But yeah...then that definitely justifies the violence...right.

Odd that you say these thugs don't represent your views and yet you seem to be defending their actions.




Where did I defend their actions?

Stop being so obtuse and say what you want to say.


Just "drawing conclusions"...



I am going to draw a conclusion. I have been reading your posts for a while now and I think you have no real beliefs. You just like to argue.

 
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