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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 06:12 PM
I kind of hope I'm not the first person to post this but the Daily Mail which I believe is a British newspaper said today in an article (that seems to be what other sources are quoting) that Butch died of a self inflicted gunshot wound in his home around 6pm on Tuesday night. I don't know about anyone else, but this completely floored me. I will state emphatically that aside from a couple of brief perfunctory meetings I didnt know Butch personally but I really expected to find out this was a heart attack or something. It is a fact that these men are approaching or passing 70 and anything can happen but THIS......I'm really bummed out, thinking of his family and friends and also what kind of hurt Butch must have been feeling to make such an ultimate decision. The article alluded to some IRS troubles of late but I'm sure that even if that was a factor, there is much more to it. I guess I'm wondering how everyone else is feeling about this. He seemed like a real personable, engaged, witty guy.
 
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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 07:25 PM
The information in that article appeared in a New York City daily newspaper as well. Some may feel betrayed or guilty when someone chooses to leave this world and they were not given the chance to help, they feel emotionally cheated. Fans regard them as heroes, folks they identify with. Hiding the truth with a happy lie to save face or prevent hurt only works for so long, then when people find out, they get angry and feel lied to. I know someone who committed suicide, but did not want people to know. He was terminally ill and did not want to go on and become totally incapacitated. His solution was to stop taking cardiac meds which did allow a fatal heart attack to happen. I did not blame him, I realize he did what he felt he needed to do to die with dignity.

People define their lives by people in their lives, their standing, how they live, and how they think about what matters to them. To some, loss of money and quality of life, being sent back down to poverty when you have been on the other side is more than they feel they can bear or want to bear. If you struggle all your life, finally make it, and then it is all taken away from you, you could
have feelings of 'what's the use, I'm sick of startin' over, etc.'

People do not always make the best decisions when faced with crises. In those cases, we should try to find forgiveness if they leave us too soon. We should not beat ourselves up thinking we could have been able to stop them. Sometimes people do things in anger, fly off the handle, sometimes with tragic results. They may not be able to see other possibilities. I've said this before, death is a permanent solution to temporary problems which is why it is not the best choice to problems.

While it does not apply to Butch, to anyone else, if you are in a relationship that does not work, just get out of it. Divorce is too expensive? It's cheaper than losing your mind and having your spirit broken. People build prisons for themselves. Just walk away. Go someplace else away form the source of your unrelenting aggravation. People allow things (materialism) and other people to ruin their lives. Don't. Accept temporary misery as a choice you have made, but vow and work towards getting out of those situations. Make a pact with yourself to overcome.

With regards to Butch, find forgiveness, accept that he was a mortal human being, subject to the same things as everyone else. Be happy for what he gave and contributed while he was here.

Empathy, compassion and forgiveness that's what is needed now (for everything including all the stuff that went down with Dickey over the years). Across the board forgiveness, nothing less will do.




[Edited on 1/27/2017 by gina]

 

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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 07:47 PM
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The information in that article appeared in a New York City daily newspaper as well. Some may feel betrayed or guilty when someone chooses to leave this world and they were not given the chance to help, they feel emotionally cheated. Fans regard them as heroes, folks they identify with. Hiding the truth with a happy lie to save face or prevent hurt only works for so long, then when people find out, they get angry and feel lied to. I know someone who committed suicide, but did not want people to know. He was terminally ill and did not want to go on and become totally incapacitated. His solution was to stop taking cardiac meds which did allow a fatal heart attack to happen. I did not blame him, I realize he did what he felt he needed to do to die with dignity.

People define their lives by people in their lives, their standing, how they live, and how they think about what matters to them. To some, loss of money and quality of life, being sent back down to poverty when you have been on the other side is more than they feel they can bear or want to bear. If you struggle all your life, finally make it, and then it is all taken away from you, you could
have feelings of 'what's the use, I'm sick of startin' over, etc.'

People do not always make the best decisions when faced with crises. In those cases, we should try to find forgiveness if they leave us too soon. We should not beat ourselves up thinking we could have been able to stop them. Sometimes people do things in anger, fly off the handle, sometimes with tragic results. They may not be able to see other possibilities. I've said this before, death is a permanent solution to temporary problems which is why it is not the best choice to problems.

While it does not apply to Butch, to anyone else, if you are in a relationship that does not work, just get out of it. Divorce is too expensive? It's cheaper than losing your mind and having your spirit broken. People build prisons for themselves. Just walk away. Go someplace else away form the source of your unrelenting aggravation. People allow things (materialism) and other people to ruin their lives. Don't. Accept temporary misery as a choice you have made, but vow and work towards getting out of those situations. Make a pact with yourself to overcome.

With regards to Butch, find forgiveness, accept that he was a mortal human being, subject to the same things as everyone else. Be happy for what he gave and contributed while he was here.

Empathy, compassion and forgiveness that's what is needed now (for everything including all the stuff that went down with Dickey over the years). Across the board forgiveness, nothing less will do.

[Edited on 1/27/2017 by gina]


Thank you Gina for your compassionate and the most completely thoughtful and well written words I have heard on the subject of Butch's passing. I have always had great respect for you as a passionate ABB fan and great contributor to this site. Too many people point fingers at people when there is a suicide. Some say it is a selfish act; others a cry for help. We will never know why. We can just have an open heart and grieve for this great loss to our family. You are the voice of calm and reason in the storm that has happened. Thank you for your extremely gracious thoughts which really moved me.
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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 09:38 PM
Gina, I dont know you but that reply was the most intelligent and heartfelt thing I have read since as far back as I can remember. This probably won't win me any popularity contests but there are life circumstances some people are faced with that are truly bleak, hopeless, lonely, and worst, inescapable. The man with the terminal cardiac condition you mentioned strikes me as a situation with no happy ending and is sadly one of those situations where although I wouldn't ADVOCATE ending ones life, I can certainly UNDERSTAND the decision. We will probably never know the true nature and depth of Butch's despair but I am in no position to judge the man regardless. I must say I was struck by the fact that he did this IN FRONT of his wife. She will live with that nightmarish scene forever. I do wonder what could have led them to THAT circumstance. Regardless, this is a tragedy on all levels affecting many directly and some like me, indirectly. The music of ABB has pulled me through some dark times and I owe thanks to Butch for that like I owe everyone that made the music. This band has been stalked by tragedy in so many forms. Duane, Berry, Lamar, the Toler brothers, Twiggs, Bruce Waibel, etc. It should make us all cherish the good times in our lives. They seem so fleeting and temporary. --------
 

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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 10:01 PM
1 - Butch was the Paul McCartney of the band; in the sense that he was the one who was least prepared emotionally to let go of the greatness that had been. Paul frequently talks about being lost when the Beatles broke up.

2 - As when Robin Williams took his life their is nothing sadder than being so sad that you see no other way out.

3 - Mental illness is no different than any other illness. Sometimes it is terminal

 

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  posted on 1/26/2017 at 11:57 PM
EMR, I never thought of Butch in that McCartney light but that is a fantastic point. Imagine the roller coaster ride these guys wind up on with fame and all that goes along with it. I frequently think of these guys going from the massive success of superstardom of the mid-seventies to being nearly forgotten in the 80's as the music climate drastically shifted. To go from filling 30'000 seat arenas to 500 seat clubs must be a huge adjustment to say the least.
 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 07:19 AM
Read this earlier this morning, looks like its true. So very sad he ended his life this way. Nobody knows what must of been going on inside his head to contemplate taking his own life. Reading his last interview, he didn't seem like a man about to take his life, quite the opposite in fact. May you now rest in peace Butchie.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 09:18 AM
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1 - Butch was the Paul McCartney of the band; in the sense that he was the one who was least prepared emotionally to let go of the greatness that had been. Paul frequently talks about being lost when the Beatles broke up.

2 - As when Robin Williams took his life their is nothing sadder than being so sad that you see no other way out.

3 - Mental illness is no different than any other illness. Sometimes it is terminal


I was thinking along those same lines... I think if there was one member of the band that "needed" the Allman Brothers to exist as a working entity it was Butch. (and I am not really talking about the financial side of things but more of a sense of purpose) This really is sad... I cant imagine the torment he must have been experiencing. Please rest peachfully Butch.

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 09:32 AM
Suicide is often, if not usually, a very impulsive decision.

If you snap and swallow a bunch of pills or cut yourself, you have a chance to change your mind.

A gunshot, or leaping from a bridge, not so much.

It's all so sad.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 10:00 AM
So well put Gina - thank you -
 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 10:26 AM
One of my best friends committed suicide New Years day this year. Like Butch, he did it by gunshot to the head, he was only 34 years old.
None of us saw it coming, there was no note, we have kind of just chalked it up to a drunk bad decision.

The emotions from it for me are still running on all cylinders, but more or less I keep coming back to anger and the feeling of how it was such a selfish act. I'll never know what my friends demons were, he never spoke of them, but I can't imagine they were any worse than the demons he has since created for his loved ones.

It's unfortunate I can relate to Butch's family and friends in such a manner, this incident and unveiling has unfortunately made me relive the night/day I experienced a little over three weeks ago.

Life is really hard sometimes, and for those who are considering a similar way out, I pray you think of your loved ones first. Just because it ends for you, it has lasting repercussions for everyone else involved.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 01:47 PM
I'm very sorry for your loss. Your post is very poignant.

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One of my best friends committed suicide New Years day this year. Like Butch, he did it by gunshot to the head, he was only 34 years old.
None of us saw it coming, there was no note, we have kind of just chalked it up to a drunk bad decision.

The emotions from it for me are still running on all cylinders, but more or less I keep coming back to anger and the feeling of how it was such a selfish act. I'll never know what my friends demons were, he never spoke of them, but I can't imagine they were any worse than the demons he has since created for his loved ones.

It's unfortunate I can relate to Butch's family and friends in such a manner, this incident and unveiling has unfortunately made me relive the night/day I experienced a little over three weeks ago.

Life is really hard sometimes, and for those who are considering a similar way out, I pray you think of your loved ones first. Just because it ends for you, it has lasting repercussions for everyone else involved.

 

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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 10:50 PM
I'm selfishly pissed about this. If was about money then it was short sighted. Permanent solution to a temporary problem. We will never know the truth but dammit, I haven't felt this way since 1972. Played Idlewild South tonight; Butch dominated the right channel.



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  posted on 1/27/2017 at 11:45 PM
I am going to weigh in on Butch's death also but maybe from a different point od view. As some of you know I spent my career in law enforcement and I investigated many deaths. Some will question why Butch did what he did and why. I have through the investigative process tried to put answers to the why many times. The reason a person takes their life is perfectly locgial to them ( in most cases )but almost illogical to us. Don't try to put an answer to the why. The final moments of a persons life should not be the defining moment of their entire life. Just enjoy what music Butch put out for us to listen to and be happy he produced what you liked. Also as many of you know I am an original line up ABB fan. My ABB already lost 2 members now it has lost a 3rd. Duane you and Berry have a drummer, I bet you guys are jamming right about now.
 

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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 09:11 AM
I feel the need to discuss Butch's ... terms of passing on this forum. For personal reasons, I dd not want to post this on Facebook.

I have had two family members end their lives via the same method as Butch chose. I was very young at the times of both instances, but I have vivid memories of both.

I loved the music that Butch Trucks made and contributed to. That's the memory that I will always connect to.

I understand ... or at least, try to understand the personal problems that lead to hopelessness and disparity that people in these cases deal with. Pain is real.

I don't mean to be a dick here. Maybe it's too soon. But I feel the need to point out what suicide does to surviving family and friends.

Family (and friends) are left dumbstruck. How could we have missed "signals"? Why didn't we do more to help? These kinds of feelings last forever following an act of suicide.

It's not an easy thing to discuss. You live with this pain and guilt. A very close relative - the daughter of one of the people I talk about knows very well of my Allman Brothers fanhood. She has heard all about Butch's death and knows that I am affected (even if only distantly). She cannot talk to me about this. This case was over 45 years ago, but the pain is still very fresh.

Lastly, I must point out that suicide can quite often be committed "towards" another person. To take one's own life in the manner that Butch chose - in the presence of a loved one ... all I can say is that this was his life's final cruel act.

It's selfish of me to point this out, I know. If I've ruffled any feathers, please forgive me - even if it takes a while.

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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 11:19 AM
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I feel the need to discuss Butch's ... terms of passing on this forum. For personal reasons, I dd not want to post this on Facebook.

I have had two family members end their lives via the same method as Butch chose. I was very young at the times of both instances, but I have vivid memories of both.

I loved the music that Butch Trucks made and contributed to. That's the memory that I will always connect to.

I understand ... or at least, try to understand the personal problems that lead to hopelessness and disparity that people in these cases deal with. Pain is real.

I don't mean to be a dick here. Maybe it's too soon. But I feel the need to point out what suicide does to surviving family and friends.

Family (and friends) are left dumbstruck. How could we have missed "signals"? Why didn't we do more to help? These kinds of feelings last forever following an act of suicide.

It's not an easy thing to discuss. You live with this pain and guilt. A very close relative - the daughter of one of the people I talk about knows very well of my Allman Brothers fanhood. She has heard all about Butch's death and knows that I am affected (even if only distantly). She cannot talk to me about this. This case was over 45 years ago, but the pain is still very fresh.

Lastly, I must point out that suicide can quite often be committed "towards" another person. To take one's own life in the manner that Butch chose - in the presence of a loved one ... all I can say is that this was his life's final cruel act.

It's selfish of me to point this out, I know. If I've ruffled any feathers, please forgive me - even if it takes a while.

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I also had a aunt that took her own life.....so I know how you feel Rusty...I was probably about 7 and when I look back on it I still feel all the same things i did at 7....

If there is an IRS bill...that doesn't change it just places all the pressure on those who are the survivors

I too feel as though this will be the way I think about Butch from this point forward....I can't listen to his interviews because I'm so confused and beyond understanding this tragic situation...When I listen to him talk he's sounds so strong....so there is for me some disconnect now about how it all got to here

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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 11:35 AM
A common thing in these type events in life and this one: Nobody Saw It Coming & It Makes No Sense.

Nobody Saw It Coming
If we could, we would throw a big rubber net around these loved ones and keep them under it until we found a fix for them. Doesn't often happen. People go to great lengths to hide their inner selves from view. I know I do at times. Nobody should feel bad for not being observant enough.

It Makes No Sense.
Yes indeed. We can lay out ten different healthy courses of action that would have course corrected the situation if we only had the opportunity prior to the "too late" moment. It will never make sense except down to a primal, lowest denominator explanation of" "They hurt".... to a degree beyond what we can know, evidently. Let their spirit fly away, if you can.

 

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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 12:33 PM
I think what has affected me the most from Butch's passing is all the stories that people have shared here. So much tragic loss and pain from so many people. An eye opener even though I felt that I was aware.

I thank everyone for sharing these stories as painful and private as they are. Discussing these things is not something that is easy to do.

Nothing selfish at all Rusty as these things need to be discussed and not hidden away. If anyone feels that we should all pretend then that is on them.

Reality is evident in all the various tales that have been shared and sometimes reality can be ugly and indeed truly sad.

If I could reach out and group hug all of you I would.
So much pain from so many that I admire. Bless all of you.

Almost 40 years ago, I got a call from a friend in the middle of the night. She needed to talk. After a few minutes, her speech started slurring. She confessed that she had consumed a couple of bottles of pills. She was with a bunch of us earlier, she was drinking wine and left a bit early. Went home and ate pills.

A few of the boys and I had been drinking so I couldn't drive. Called 911 and then ran to her house which was a bit more than a mile from mine. I think I set a world record that night. I beat the 911 response. Carried her outside to wait for them. As luck would have it, a taxi happened to be passing. He drove the wrong way on a one way street at over 100 mph to the hospital. Bless him. Wouldn't take a cent from me and helped me get her in the hospital.

Over the years, we lost contact. Last year, she was visiting Ottawa and had heard that I lived here now. We got together and I got to meet her kids. In a private moment while her kids hung with mine, she thanked me for her kids, husband and mostly herself. She said that without me, her family would have never happened. I had not thought of that night for a long time. We cried as we watched the kids. She was ashamed that she had lost contact and felt that she had not truly thanked me enough at the time. Staying alive was all the thanks that I needed.

So happy that the doctors saved her and we got there in time. Upon reflection soon after that night, she couldn't even grasp that she had tried to end her life. She was one of the lucky ones.

Depression can completely take over and eliminate logic. That is why it is so important that we listen to people who are hurting, talk about the issue and care for each other. The world is a tough place so it is important to admit that we are not made of stone and sometimes we need help.

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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 03:00 PM

The posts on this topic are just so heartbreaking my eyes are so full of tears
It's beyond sad . There is NO understanding this at all .
The only time I can except someone ending their life is a terminal illness
and the suffering outweighs any form of continuing to live . Could that be what happened to Butch ???
So perhaps we do not know the whole story here with Butch , there are posts that he was
so upset with the current election etc , we are nearly the same age and we have lived through
some of the most horrific events in our short lifetimes . So
believing he would end his life over political reasons makes no sense at all .
Not sure if I maybe misunderstood that I think it was on Facebook .
I just stopped reading it mid way .
As Tony stated people go through great lengths to disguise who they are
at times whether it be shyness or social dysfunctions etc . I do it too .
What happens in the human mind is a mystery . Our own thoughts
provoke inner feelings we may not even know we have .
I lost a friend from here a few yrs back ... she was a kind and a loving person and Loved
ABB . Things became difficult for her but you never know bad they really are .
It's a helpless feeling for those left behind ... wondering ..
As we all said and feel our thoughts are for who are left behind
to cope , find strength , courage , peace of mind .
It's just so unbelievable and painful that Butch Trucks is gone and gone this way .
It's hard to even listen to ABB Butch drums have such an impact I all
Songs , compositions etc ... All 6 of them were put together
to make up that sound . Greggs voice , Duane slide , Berrys pounding round sound of the bass
Dickeys guitar sound , melodys , BUTCHe freight train sound , Jamie
Jazzy influence .... what an exquisite recipe you can not duplicate
this ... never ...
Thank you Butch and ABB

After posting I re read and I came back to correct somethings and then decided
I'm not ... I think y'all know how upsetting this on each and everyone of us .
Those misspellings, other-mistakes, are just part of who I am . Sorry









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  posted on 1/28/2017 at 05:48 PM
Rainy no need to say sorry, a lot of us have emotions all over the place
It's all just so very sad

 

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Just over 1 year ago, my 24-year old nephew took his life. I didn't know much about suicide so I read a lot in order to help process the pain and confusion. There were a number of articles that mentioned that a person who takes his or her life genuinely believes that their family and friends will be better off without them, truly. They might think they are helping those around them by ending a life. It's hard to understand, and it's heartbreaking in so many ways.

I was stunned to hear about Butch, like so many others on this site. You feel terrible that things were so bad for a person you thought was fine and dandy. This is so sad.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2017 at 12:47 AM
Two of my friends killed themselves. These were guys in their 20s and the one guy had a son and was going to go back to school to teach math. It was devastating to their families and everyone that knew them. The very creepy part was that they both knew each other very well, did it in the same way, and the second friend did it pretty much on the anniversary of when the first friend did it years later. On the first year anniversary of the first friend's suicide the second friend attempted it but got help, and everyone thought everything was fine until he suddenly killed himself years later.

I was also stunned to hear about Butch on facebook. I had just seen him with Freight Train in late November and he was happy, put on a great show, and I took my mom who is a longtime ABB fan since she has been through a lot with recovering from heart surgery, and she loved it and said the music made her feel 20 years younger.

If you are suicidal get help for it. NOTHING is worth killing yourself.

National Suicide Prevention Lifeline. We can all help prevent suicide. The Lifeline provides 24/7, free and confidential support for people in distress, prevention and crisis resources for you or your loved ones, and best practices for professionals. 1-800-273-8255.

 

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This is a very powerful and moving thread. Thanks to all who shared so openly and honestly.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2017 at 12:16 PM
I have to thank all those who so powerfully shared their experiences.
In my family, there is 1 suicide attempt. This individual went on to have a happy life, long marriage, and successful career. That person is still with us today and grateful to be here. This one incident did not define a life.
In my life, not one but 2 friends committed suicide.
In my life, I have friends who lost 3 loved ones, aged 12-34, to suicide.

I really appreciate those 2 phrases, "Didn't see it coming" and "Makes No Sense"

The road left for loved ones is a difficult, painful path.
To forgive onself, as well as others, is a grace.

May we all find peace.

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  posted on 1/29/2017 at 03:17 PM

One of the problems people have is being angry that the person left, and then feeling guilty because they are angry. 'what about us?' Didn't we matter? If the band had not broken up he would still have had Beacon income, would that have gotten him over the hump? Why couldn't he just ask Derek and/or the others for some money? Pride. Most people do not like to ask, they feel it is begging. Pride.

He was bankrupt once before and he told us that after the fax when he grilled him and blamed him for the situation. Some of us really persecuted him in those days, and I concluded he truly was the voice of reason. He was a rational, reasonable, decent person and that makes this all the more sad.

Those who were in conflict with him need to forgive themselves if they were guilty of anything, and then they can begin to forgive him for leaving so soon. As I said earlier, all this is gonna take some time.

Elizabeth Kubler Ross described the grieving process for those who are dieing or about to, and those left behind. There's wisdom in there.

If any of the surviving band members want to establish a foundation for him to help his wife and children, maybe that's a way they can work thru some of their grief.


 

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"Mankind is a single nation" "Allah did not make you a single people so he could try you in what he gave you, to him you will all return, he will inform you where you differed". Quran Chapter 2 Sura 213

 
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