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  posted on 6/2/2016 at 04:34 PM
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Although I listen to some SM and even play some on guitar, I always remember Miles Davis saying that he was "a sorry-ass cat who couldn't play his way out of a paper bag".


Well Miles was wrong and that sorry ass cat had a great career.

from Miles Wiki page

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He took significant cuts in his usual performing fees in order to open for rock groups like the Steve Miller Band, Grateful Dead, Neil Young, and Santana.


Seems like Miles was not that opposed to opening for Steve in an effort to expand his audience.

 

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  posted on 6/2/2016 at 08:39 PM
For impact and influence, I'm glad the Pistols are in. They are the face, sound, and image of British punk. Their one real album is a killer. They did more in their short run than plenty of folks (including Rock hall of famers) do in long runs.


 

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  posted on 6/2/2016 at 11:49 PM
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For impact and influence, I'm glad the Pistols are in. They are the face, sound, and image of British punk. Their one real album is a killer. They did more in their short run than plenty of folks (including Rock hall of famers) do in long runs.



I love the album. But the difference is the money and marketing behind them that pushed it. The face? Sure but that is because they were marketed like that and over time it took. Image? Was done before them but I would agree that the industry has put those images out there through movies, shirts, posters and other rock stuff. Marketing machine and huge money maker.

The sound? Is hard rock through and through and I like it. But what sets it apart from all the other punk bands is the guitar and drums. Too good for punk. Helps make it appealing to more people. But true punk was wild and sloppy.

They barely toured or played shows. So those marketed images are what the world saw and continues to see. Johnny Rotten has said the same. Says that they were a farce. McLaren was smart and marketed to death. Plus he had guys like Sid that he could wind up and then watch it go crazy. Add a needle and guaranteed death. Legend. Fabricated but a legend. Couldn't play which makes induction an even bigger mockery.

I love the album. But it is only one album. The band breaks up after a handful of shows that never make it to the end of the show. Some shows lasted minutes. The fact that Sid couldn't play didn't amuse Johnny. They broke up.

If one album and a dozen shows gets you into the HOF then that doesn't say much for the HOF and its' criteria. Again it is like an athlete barely making the majors, plays half of a season and quits and gains entry to the HOF. Never. No matter how good that half season was.

Fabricated like the Bay City Rollers, the Spice Girls or the boy bands. Again that really isn't too punk. Sid couldn't even play and isn't on the only album that they have. They couldn't make it through a tiny US tour.

When a band like Yes is not in after their incredible career, the Sex Pistols entry makes no sense. They did more in a short time? They did nothing and it worked perfectly. Make the papers, be obscene and get completely stoned. That is what they did. If you mean the success, marketing genius. Nancy's murder and Sid's death just put it all over the top. Could not have been better for business even if it had been scripted.

But put the Pistols in before all the rappers

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 05:34 AM
Influence. That album inspired so many. Green Day is the easy and obvious example. The Pistols turned England upside down.

Hype IS part of rock. In rock, image DOES count. It is not called the hall of accomplishment, after all, and it is driven by a media publication. The Pistols are a bigger part of the story of rock than many of the bands in there.

I don't disagree with your points that the Pistols were not as "pure" punk as early Ramones or Clash or plenty of others, but they are a wildly important band.

 

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Influence. That album inspired so many. Green Day is the easy and obvious example. The Pistols turned England upside down.

Hype IS part of rock. In rock, image DOES count. It is not called the hall of accomplishment, after all, and it is driven by a media publication. The Pistols are a bigger part of the story of rock than many of the bands in there.

I don't disagree with your points that the Pistols were not as "pure" punk as early Ramones or Clash or plenty of others, but they are a wildly important band.


I agree with everything. But should image and hype alone get you in? As a band they accomplished very little. I mean if the HOF had any sort of actual criteria, they wouldn't pass. Handful of bar gigs? One album?

I agree that I would let them in before some that are in but that is not saying much.

Some bands were actually punk and hit the road hard and have had long careers.

I take the Pistols album over all punk. But I am a terrible person to gauge by as I don't like punk really. Bad musicians and screaming were not where I was at in the 70s. Duane and Dickey were more my style. But I love hard rock and early metal. The music on Bollocks is far more hard rock than punk.

Agree to disagree on that one. My HOF would have a bit more than half of the people currently in. Only the elite should be in any HOF IMO. Baseball does it right.

I do really like the album and Johnny had his peak moment for sure. Sid should not have been inducted. Insult to every musician out there. Didn't play on the recordings and a handful of bad gigs that made Johnny quit the band. Besides being on t-shirts, a drug addict and involved in the murder before his death, he did nothing. Definitely nothing musical.

Animal from the Muppets is more deserving than Sid.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 01:02 PM
Cool what Mr Miller is doing. Wouldn't hold my breath on startling results, but could be interesting.

Is R&R HOF valid?
Does anyone look to see if their artist of choice was ever chosen?
Does it really give a band more validity?
As an institution do they do anything more than have fee charging exhibit(s) and an annual glitz show?

I have not researched, but I do know HOF does not have a reputation as champion of musician rights and benefits, and if they are have done a poor awareness job.

They could be valid (laugh laugh) if they:
Did something to enable retirement and insurance benefits for musicians
Had assistance options for elderly musicians having difficulty health and housing.
Encouraged education options for musicians in training.
Had youth programs to get kids into music
Awarded the "in the trenches" musicians who often are better than the "names"
and (drum roll) the most difficult:
Took money as a rating of musical ability out of the judging mix.

OK dream over

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 01:06 PM
Go Steve!

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 01:07 PM
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Cool what Mr Miller is doing. Wouldn't hold my breath on startling results, but could be interesting.

Is R&R HOF valid?
Does anyone look to see if their artist of choice was ever chosen?
Does it really give a band more validity?
As an institution do they do anything more than have fee charging exhibit(s) and an annual glitz show?

I have not researched, but I do know HOF does not have a reputation as champion of musician rights and benefits, and if they are have done a poor awareness job.

They could be valid (laugh laugh) if they:
Did something to enable retirement and insurance benefits for musicians
Had assistance options for elderly musicians having difficulty health and housing.
Encouraged education options for musicians in training.
Had youth programs to get kids into music
Awarded the "in the trenches" musicians who often are better than the "names"
and (drum roll) the most difficult:
Took money as a rating of musical ability out of the judging mix.

OK dream over




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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 01:46 PM
From the Rolling Stone article:

Miller said he's "planning to keep [the story] in the news," noting he already has the Rock Hall's public documents.

"I wanna see where they're spending the money," he said. "I wanna see who's being paid. I wanna check it all out

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's actually going to go to Cleveland. The Museum's actually gonna mean something. The funding they raise is actually gonna be used for music education before I'm done."



This part is funny, not related to the Hall but his encounter with The Black Keys:

"I never was introduced to the Black Keys," he told Stern. "I didn't know who they were personally. I walked in through security, and there's this guy [Black Keys frontman Dan Auerbach] looking at me, making goo-goo eyes at me or something. I walk up to him, and I go, 'What are you doing tonight?' And he says, 'I'm reading your speech.' I say, 'Oh, great. I can't wait to get the **** out of here.' And I didn't know who he was! If we had been introduced, I'm sure we would have gotten along because we like the same kind of music and they're working musicians and stuff.'"

Auerbach who told Rolling Stone the band regrets inducting Miller offered a similar story of their first meeting, but with a more uncomfortable slant. "I don't know, we read a lot of things and we got a really uncomfortable feeling when we first met Steve," the frontman said. "He had no idea who we were. No idea. The first thing he told us was, 'I can't wait to get out of here.' He knew that we signed up to do this speech for him. And he made no effort to even he didn't even figure out who we were."


So Steve Miller is supposed to bone up on The Black Keys, the guys that are inducting him?

I place that awkward situation on the Hall itself, who figures out who inducts who? And wouldn't you think they would pick someone that had something to do with said artist?

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 01:51 PM
I justify the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thusly:

-the building in Cleveland which is a very cool experience, been there 3 times now

-the institution that nominates artists and holds the annual event, the board or whoever they are. What a bunch of self serving asses.

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 02:27 PM

Good for him, he is probably right that there is an awful lot of money coming in so lets see where it goes out. If music programs benefit, thats great. One thing is that I did look to see their board leadership and its pretty much one guy for 90% of the time since its inception. Could be time for new blood and new direction.

BTW, I saw him and his band last year in a small theater setting and it was fun and sold out so he is still out there drawing crowds.

[Edited on 6/3/2016 by OriginalGoober]

 

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  posted on 6/3/2016 at 02:47 PM
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I justify the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame thusly:

-the building in Cleveland which is a very cool experience, been there 3 times now

-the institution that nominates artists and holds the annual event, the board or whoever they are. What a bunch of self serving asses.


Agree with this 100%. I've been twice and would go all the time if I lived anywhere near Cleveland.

 

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  posted on 6/4/2016 at 12:00 PM
Is it possible they are corrupt, and got their bad ways out of inspiration from Steve's song with the lyrics "Go on take the money and run"? Nah it can't be that.

If they are crooked, let him expose them for it. Enough with the payola that the radio stations get to play certain songs of certain artists to help them sell music. Enough with all of it.

Go get 'em Stevie!

 

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  posted on 6/7/2016 at 07:55 PM
Steve doing some jazz/blues at Lincoln Center NYC Rose Theatre Dec 9 & 10

"T- Bone Walker - The Bridge from Blues to Jazz"

[Edited on 6/8/2016 by MuleMe]

 
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