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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 11:44 AM
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Inquiry finds sales of concert tickets are a 'fixed game'

BY MICHAEL VIRTANEN
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ALBANY, N.Y.

Had a hard time getting a ticket to a concert or sporting event? New York's attorney general says that's probably because more than half of tickets to many events are held for industry insiders or otherwise unavailable to the general public.

Attorney General Eric Schneiderman said in a report released Thursday that his investigation of the industry was prompted by consumer complaints, which his office receives regularly.

"Ticketing, to put it bluntly, is a fixed game," the report said. Investigators found abuses and practices that prevent consumers from buying tickets at affordable prices or sometimes even getting them at all.

Investigators found that third-party brokers resell tickets on sites like StubHub and TicketsNow at average margins of 49 percent above face-value and sometimes more than 10 times the price. Some brokers use illegal specialty software, called "ticket bots," to quickly purchase as many desirable tickets as possible for resale at significant markups, they said.

The report cited a single broker buying 1,012 tickets within one minute to a U2 concert at Madison Square Garden when they went on sale on Dec. 8, 2014, despite the vendor's claim of a four-ticket limit. By day's end, that broker and one other had 15,000 tickets to U2's North American shows.

Madison Square Garden is "well aware of the issue of tickets getting into the hands of brokers" and has been working to address it, spokeswoman Kimberly Kerns said. "While there are no obvious solutions, we continually look for ways to avoid selling tickets to brokers," she said.

Venues and sellers like Ticketmaster regularly tacked on fees that added more than 21 percent to the face value, investigators said. They found that on average, 16 percent of tickets are reserved for various industry insiders like the venue employees, artists and promoters, while 38 percent are reserved for presales to certain groups like holders of a particular credit card.

Ticketmaster did not immediately reply to a request for comment.

The report also criticized "price floors," particularly by sports leagues and teams including the NFL and New York Yankees, which are rules meant to prevent tickets from being sold below their face value and that deprive the public of possibly cheaper tickets. Many NFL teams encourage or even require ticket holders to use Ticketmaster's NFL Ticket Exchange platform, where the seller is prohibited from cutting the price.

"The more aggressively sports leagues and individual teams push ticket buyers and sellers to use their 'official' secondary markets, the more serious this problem becomes," the report said.

"This investigation is just the beginning of our efforts to create a level playing field in the ticket industry," Schneiderman said.

An NFL spokesman said the NFL Ticket Exchange is just one of many options for ticket holders to buy or sell tickets.

"The NFL does not require them to use the Ticket Exchange," Brian McCarthy said. "The NFL imposes no restrictions whatsoever on any fan's ability to buy or resell tickets on other secondary ticketing sites or to do so at any price they choose. "

A spokeswoman for the Yankees said the Yankees Ticket Exchange is "a completely voluntary program" and a small percentage of the market.

"It is however the only place where a fan can be guaranteed a safe ticket," Yankees spokeswoman Alice McGillion said.

Schneiderman's office is still examining the NFL platform's price floor and whether it's anti-competitive, said an official with knowledge of investigation who wasn't authorized to discuss it publicly and declined to be identified. They want the teams to remove it, he said.

The attorney general also has reached settlements with two ticket brokers operating without a reseller license. The settlements require one company to pay $80,000 and the other $65,000. They and their principals also must maintain a license.

The attorney general's office issued a report more than 15 years ago that found New York's ticket distribution system was largely underground and provided "access to quality seating on the basis of bribes and corruption at the expense of fans."

Thursday's report said that despite changes in technology and state law, the problems persist, and event ticketing is the great exception to areas of the economy where online sales have yielded lower prices and greater transparency.

http://www.kansascity.com/entertainment/music-news-reviews/article56999218. html

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 12:06 PM
I'm betting Santana at the Warner isn't sold nearly as well as it looks on the current seat map. I looked at his prices and decided he could kiss my concert going ass.

I might still head over the day of show and see if I can score someone's loss for my gain.

I spend a lot on entertainment. And his prices are just off the charts. Really gives me a bad taste for him as an artist.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 01:13 PM
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I'm betting Santana at the Warner isn't sold nearly as well as it looks on the current seat map. I looked at his prices and decided he could kiss my concert going ass.

I might still head over the day of show and see if I can score someone's loss for my gain.

I spend a lot on entertainment. And his prices are just off the charts. Really gives me a bad taste for him as an artist.


Having Santana in a small venue like the Warner is gonna start you off with high prices. but probably what you are seeing are the "VIP packages" sold for the FOH. If you join the Santana fan club, you get access to great seats without the price inflation of VIP packages. My first such experience was getting front row dead center at Madison Square Garden. I got four pit DDD seats to the Philly tower show, also without the VIP surcharge.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 01:20 PM
I also scored 4 for the Tower show. Fourth row center loge. 100.00 apiece no surcharge or fee at the venue window the day they went on sale. There are probably going to be at least 10 people on the stage. I look at it like I'm handing each of them 10 bucks.
Internet ticket purchasing fuels the after market. Go back to waiting in line for tickets. It was always a good party and worked.

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 01:35 PM
The report does not address the sale of tickets by promoters directly to re-sellers, like Stub Hub and Tickets Now. There is a Youtube detailing this practice with a European equivalent to StubHub, they don't need the bots to score lots of good tickets.

The kicker to me is that the scalpers create much of the market scarcity and drive up their own prices. It's the american way.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 02:15 PM
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Having Santana in a small venue like the Warner is gonna start you off with high prices. but probably what you are seeing are the "VIP packages" sold for the FOH. If you join the Santana fan club, you get access to great seats without the price inflation of VIP packages. My first such experience was getting front row dead center at Madison Square Garden. I got four pit DDD seats to the Philly tower show, also without the VIP surcharge.



I am on the Santana mail list which gave me pre-sale access but no break on price. He broke up the orchestra into three packages: 1st 5 rows are the "Guitar Heaven Package" and cost $352.50. The next, Corazon Package, $302. Followed by Supernatural at $242.50. I think they start at the balcony overhang. Row T, 6 rows from back of house are $113.

Right now it looks like the second night is a little more than half sold. The first night is 3/4 to 4/5 sold.

Balcony seats are $87.50. The Warner's balcony is now where near as nice as the Beacon's balcony. The loge (called the "Grand Balcony") is sold by subscription, so unavailable. I did see Yes from the balcony and the sound was fine. So that is an option. If you are in the balcony the Warner has a person who will approach you to upsell the "Grand Balcony" seats that are unused. At Yes that was another $50 bucks but they only sell you a pair.

I think the orchestra is overpriced for this show. But I'm only a casual Santana fan. I've caught about half a dozen shows, but have not seen him since the 90's.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 02:35 PM
The ABB did this the last few years at the Beacon with their Gold and Silver circle packages.

It all sucks, but it's proper in my eyes for the money to go to the artists and not the scalpers. When $75 tickets get grabbed in abundance for the first few rows and the scalpers sell them for $750 that's just so wrong on so many levels.

I am selective and pass on a good portion of shows, Nothing but empty promises to rectify it by Ticketmaster and the Government, They all suck.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 07:35 PM
Just quit feeding the beast and dont buy tickets. When it hits them in the pocket book, they will feel it. The aritst are getting they're money now , so you think they REALLY care how tix's are sold ? I doubt it.

I cant tell people how to spend they're dollars, to each their own, but I have never bought tix's from a dealer/scalper/broker and never will. Not that foolish.

 

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  posted on 1/29/2016 at 08:59 PM
"Many NFL teams encourage or even require ticket holders to use Ticketmaster's NFL Ticket Exchange platform, where the seller is prohibited from cutting the price."

I have Patriot's season tickets & have used ticket exchange more than once. Why in the world would I want to sell my tickets for less than face value? Buffalo tickets sold in about 3 minutes a couple of years ago.

As far as concerts go I no longer bother trying on the on-sale date. I've had much better luck grabbing same day tickets. Never been shut out. Got front row ABB tix one time through TM about 4 hours before show time.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2016 at 01:37 PM
Why can't they just go back to making the venues sell the tickets. Advertise the shows a month ahead of time, let people snail mail in their requests with a return envelope for their tickets, and cut out all the b*stards?

Oh yeah, big money is involved, that's why.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2016 at 05:06 PM
Pearl Jam sold out in Ottawa in under 1 minute. As if.

Immediately seats in all parts were available from all brokers/scalpers.

I agree with Scott. Don't go.

My first Santana ticket was $5.50 and I think it was 3 or 4 bands.

The sports market is so profitable that the brokers can take a bigger risk with music. But if they just continued to take a loss, it would back off. Sadly it will never happen and people will pay.

 

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  posted on 2/1/2016 at 10:20 AM
Just as with governments - ticket vendors and scalpers only have as much power as PEOPLE (fans) allow them to have. If this practice pisses you off - simply do not succumb to the desires of these pigs. What pisses me off further is that some of the artists that simply shrug their shoulders over these practices while basically being in cahoots with the perpetrators.

Carlos Santana has become (to me) the equivalent of a rock a roll televangelist. I know I'll get scorched for saying this. I can get past the fact that he tends to get all preachy during his shows but now it seems that he's fine with charging out the nose for seats in the nosebleed section. I'm not paying way over $100 to sit in a balcony to see ANYBODY! (Yes, I have in the past.)

I'm also not willing to pay multiple hundreds of dollars to see artists who are well past their primes when I saw them in their prime for under $20. And don't give me all that "adjusted for inflation" BS either. I could afford a pair of tickets to see any of these acts on my teenage part-time job (grocery store bagger $1.75 per hour) in the day. Now tickets for the same act eat up a weeks salary (in many cases).

If ticket selling practices piss you off - don't buy the ticket! Let 'em play to chairs! GRRR!

 

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  posted on 2/1/2016 at 10:38 AM
It's not about the folks that don't have the money, or do have the money but won't spend it on principle.

It's about the folks that have the money, don't care about principles, and want to go see the show. Lots of people complain about the high price of live entertainment, but plenty of shows are sold out no matter who sells the tickets, the lines for $15 beer and $45 t-shirts are plenty long...

 

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... Carlos Santana has become (to me) the equivalent of a rock a roll televangelist. I know I'll get scorched for saying this. I can get past the fact that he tends to get all preachy during his shows but now it seems that he's fine with charging out the nose for seats in the nosebleed section. I'm not paying way over $100 to sit in a balcony to see ANYBODY! (Yes, I have in the past.)

If ticket selling practices piss you off - don't buy the ticket! Let 'em play to chairs! GRRR!


Actually Santana plays both sides of the fence. there are very high-priced VIP packages for his shows, but he also sells some primo seats on his website for normal prices... I got four 4th row seats in Philly for less than half the price of the lesser packages...

But remember when old farts like us started going to concerts, it was not yet a big business. I saw the Who in a college gym... it took a while before they figured out they could sell stadiums at crazy prices.

Housing used to be cheap...cars used to be cheap... and I agree it's more than inflation. There is so much disposible income these days, that a lot of it does get "disposed of"...

 

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Peter Gabriel and Sting sold out really fast last week in the Verizon Center. The tickets were reasonable. Far more reasonable than Santana's tickets. Now, if you check out the map, re-sale tickets are plentiful at stratospheric prices.

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Actually Santana plays both sides of the fence. there are very high-priced VIP packages for his shows, but he also sells some primo seats on his website for normal prices... I got four 4th row seats in Philly for less than half the price of the lesser packages...



Is this for an upcoming show? How much was that ticket Alan? Maybe I wasn't on the mailing list long enough to get the deal. Is the show at the Keswick?

 

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Just quit feeding the beast and dont buy tickets. When it hits them in the pocket book, they will feel it. The aritst are getting they're money now , so you think they REALLY care how tix's are sold ? I doubt it.

I cant tell people how to spend they're dollars, to each their own, but I have never bought tix's from a dealer/scalper/broker and never will. Not that foolish.


^ My thoughts exactly!

 

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  posted on 2/1/2016 at 09:50 PM
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Peter Gabriel and Sting sold out really fast last week in the Verizon Center. The tickets were reasonable. Far more reasonable than Santana's tickets. Now, if you check out the map, re-sale tickets are plentiful at stratospheric prices.

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Actually Santana plays both sides of the fence. there are very high-priced VIP packages for his shows, but he also sells some primo seats on his website for normal prices... I got four 4th row seats in Philly for less than half the price of the lesser packages...



Is this for an upcoming show? How much was that ticket Alan? Maybe I wasn't on the mailing list long enough to get the deal. Is the show at the Keswick?


The tickets are fore the April 9th show at the Tower in Philly. Tickets were $138 plus fees... not cheap, but a far cry from the $330 or more for the top VIP packages.

 

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  posted on 2/2/2016 at 12:02 PM
I can't recall the last time I had trouble getting a ticket for a show I wanted to see, at whatever list price it's offered. One of the benefits of liking "just off the mainstream" music.

I get a few emails direct from bands, watch a few twitter feeds, scan Pollstar/Jambase, get emails from a few venues, and am almost always ready to buy the minute tix go on sale.

 
 


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