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  posted on 9/3/2015 at 02:47 PM
Long shot request, but here we go.......... Allegedly on February XX 1971 there was a Chicago FM radio station broadcast on WXRT(probably not live) of an Allman concert. Be cool to figure what show this may be, they could have gotten tape from show anywhere. Sounds official with station broadcast, but you never know. Could have been recorded any time before 2/71. Any thoughts or insight appreciated.

Setlist:
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
Liz Reed
You Don't Love Me
Hot 'Lanta
Revival
Stormy Monday


 

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  posted on 9/3/2015 at 05:11 PM
Compare the recordings with those from A & R Recording Studios, New York City, 08/26/1971. I think they are the same. Only a different running order, "One Way Out" ommited and maybe some editing.

http://abbdiscography.duaneallman.info/cdrchicagobluesagain.htm

http://abbdiscography.duaneallman.info/blnycityblues.htm

 

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  posted on 9/3/2015 at 06:33 PM
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Compare the recordings with those from A & R Recording Studios, New York City, 08/26/1971. I think they are the same. Only a different running order, "One Way Out" ommited and maybe some editing.

http://abbdiscography.duaneallman.info/cdrchicagobluesagain.htm

http://abbdiscography.duaneallman.info/blnycityblues.htm


If Tony's broadcast was from Feb. 1971, it could not be A & R from August 1971

 

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  posted on 9/3/2015 at 09:28 PM
For grins I e-mailed WXRT..............

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 11:15 AM
As far as "Known" or "Fan remembered set lists there are not that many choices. According to data base Stormy Monday was only played 6 times up until 2/12/71. Of course there are plenty of dates for which we don't know the set list.

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 12:12 PM
there is also a chance the date is incorrect on broadcast date, and could be actually a later show (?)

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 12:14 PM
While I (along with everyone else I'm sure) would love for this to be a previously undiscovered Duane show I'm afraid that it's probably 8/26/71 from A&R Studios which was originally broadcast live on WPLJ. I think it was replayed later on WXRT and over the years I've seen it mislabeled as WXRT on several occasions. Not usual at all for someone to have omitted songs, added from other shows and/or rearranged the order.

If You Don't Love Me includes Soul Serenade, then you can tell pretty quickly that it's 8/26/71. That's the only time that I know of that they included that (at least preserved on tape) and in Duane's introduction he talks about Curtis' murder (a few days earlier in August), the funeral and Soul Serenade, which leads to him segueing into it from YDLM.

Just curious as to what indicates that this was a 2/71 broadcast on WXRT?

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 12:51 PM
I used to live in Chicagoland & have heard the A & R Studio show multiple times on WXRT, so if, as mentioned, you hear Soul Serenade...

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 01:15 PM
No King Curtis intro and no Soul Serenade segue..... I have A&R and compared. Before Hot Lanta is "This is called Hot Lanta, that's the name"......

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 01:18 PM
RAB, a label...

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 03:33 PM
They didn't play Revival at A&R Studios either.

Bird, just want to clarify - you have a radio broadcast quality show with the setlists described above??? I have NEVER heard a professional recording of the original performing Revival live.

Can I do a B&P?? Please??

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 04:11 PM

As a long time listener to XRT, I have recorded several ABB live "shows" off the radio from there.
Many years ago they had a Sunday night program known as the "unconcert" it was of course sponsored by 7-up.
Later on, Budwiser became the sponsor and the name was the Budwiser Sunday night concert. The show was 60 minutes and had 1 break right around the 30 minute mark give or take. ( Just enough time to flip your cassette tape and start rewinding for 30 seconds , thus making sure you got the whole program. ) Unfortunately, many of these broadcasts were not a single concert but in some cases it was several shows professionally spliced together.
So there may not be a true answer for you Bird as to a specific date. I will start combing thru my tape collection and see if I did record this also, sometimes when a show was repeated later they gave more info off the cue sheet, will let you know if I find anything

 

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  posted on 9/4/2015 at 04:11 PM
Excellent catch on Revival axeman! The Hot 'Lanta intro sounds "almost" like 6/27/71, but not exactly. Revival was played at the Warehouse on 12/31/70 and the date works. I've always been told that shows were broadcast on a local radio station owned/run by a couple of brothers and, as I heard the story, they supposedly did have tapes years later, but wanted a ton of cash. I haven't heard anything out of that in years and years.

I suppose there could be some truth to that and back in the day a copy found its way north to XRT. Stranger things have happened. One problem with that theory is that that show didn't include Done Somebody Wrong or Hot 'Lanta. Is the sound quality decent enough to be able to tell if it's the same source throughout, or is it possible that this is a combination of a couple or more shows? Either way, a board copy of Revival would be a find indeed.

 

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  posted on 9/5/2015 at 12:18 AM
This started as a curiosity quest and still is. Appreciate thoughts. I believe there is an explanation and this is not any big find and am actually looking for something like compilation as what it is. I will re-listen over weekend and I think between song dialogue is a good way as most remember this stuff. On the slimmer than slim chance this is anything I would play ethics and the band would have to get it offered. I only say that as why I sound probably elitist or something right now. I want to put this to bed and it keeps lurking along as some oddity of splicing probably. Revival though... (?). This is in reel format now and the speed is a little off and I have someone who can analog pitch adjust and am trying to decide if it is worth the ($) to do as not free. Hence the Sherlock Holmes. What spurred this thread was a quick set list check as I expected to hit a match on a common show.

 

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  posted on 9/5/2015 at 04:24 AM
The King Biscuit Flower Hour might be a possibility. I believe Wolfgang's Vault owns their archive now. You could check with them.

Still, I have never heard or even heard of a professional quality recording of the original lineup performing Revival live.

Maybe Old Coot or one of the other grand-master collectors here have but I haven't and I have been chasing down recordings on this site a long time.

If that is the only Now-known pro recording of a live Revival, that by itself would be worth something to the band if that is who you want to give it to. How much that is worth, I don't know.

Also, given the rareity of a live Revival and the difference in banter before your Hot Lanta and A&r, I'd say if it's not one of the three Fillmore East pro recordings, that's a fair bet that what you have, full show or compilation, contains a lot of unreleased, newly discovered material. That would be worth something. How much I don't know.

**PLEASE*** consider this: you know the band's track record with this stuff. If you give/sell that recording to them the chances of it being released in the next 10 years - if at all - is near zero. The number of people with enough interest in the ABB to make it worth the band's while to release this is declining with each passing year. Please consider circulating this for those of us who still care. Crowd fund the corrections? OR sell the tape to the band see if you can get them to guarantee a release. I find that to be an extreme long shot given their track record and legal entanglements.

I respect your decision whatever it is Bird but please do consider the band may never release that recording and their are a lot of us who would sure appreciate hearing it. Thanks

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  posted on 9/6/2015 at 10:53 PM
When looking over the setlist for this show one critical omission is that there is no One Way Out. As this was first played 3/71 (at Fillmore East) it indicates that the performance was prior to 3/71. From available setlists from the previous two months Revival was not performed. During this particular time period it was last noted as being performed on 12-31-70 at the Warehouse. So if this is a single performance from that time it appears to be unique.

One question I have is whether the audio is of consistent broadcast quality throughout (obviously not an audience recording)? As you mention, Bird, any song comments by band members during the performance could help with the IDing.

In going through the Duane era setlists the best match I found was the last known Duane recorded performance recording on 10-15-71 at Syria Mosque. While the running order is different the only other difference is the inclusion of One Way Out. But this is definitely an audience recording.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2015 at 11:21 AM
wow some good insights! I still need to listen again, likely tomorrow. I want to be with notepad and a block of time no distraction. My world spins slower than others I think and it can annoy them I find :0

Here is disclosure. I went out of my way a while back and had to buy to get a handful of ABB shows on reel. I wanted analog source, despite being downloadable stuff. Went on a limb as I do not have vouching for where I got them. The talk was correct, that was first litmus test. The shows are called different than we talk of them here. It is not Syria Mosque, but Pitt, not Love Valley, but Byron Georgia. Most have stickers on reels that do not look new, but do not look 40+ years old. BUT a couple do have stickers that look every bit of 40+ years old with ABB on them. All have cryptic tape certification stickers, not home stuff. Source was allegedly "in the biz". No way to know. SO got Love Valley, first Syria, Stonybrook, and this Chicago broadcast for Duane era. Got two later and 72 /73 and 73 is radio broadcast. Some he called "Pre FM" meaning broadcast source not taped from a radio. Who knows..... all unverifiable and a bs seller with knowledge is not off the radar either. Sound quality is from very good to kinda good and pretty good in between. Sound appears true (same) within shows.

So what I got for 70 GA / 71 PA / other than analog and maybe a source pre trading, they are no historical excitement. Old Coot is indeed involved and I need to call another member today who has extensive Duane-ability also. But what is being looked at is Stonybrook which has a Whipping Post ending. It is apparently maybe different from traded and commercial versions. So the update is yes, I want everyone to hear if it is unheard of, for any of this stuff. I also am paying to convert (Stonybrook) to digital being done now. I expect next week it can be reviewed by Duane smarter people. If it is found by them to be anything, I would recommend gap tidying up maybe and then putting out there. That is hope, but again, maybe WP is not what appears, who knows.

So this Chicago show...... anyone in a hurry may want to bail..... could be slow. I will post listening and ALL stage comments and banter. My last listen did not jump out (only played R2) the speed issue to degree I heard on R1 so (?) re-listen time. Last year I tagged tapes as "too fast" and at first thought they were to sit in drawer as an oddity. What jumped out is in spite of speed, sound quality is pretty decent. And then I checked set lists. So can't be Santa now on the second one . I want to give 100% to research. And if smart people say this is interesting and new it should be offered to band first. If band says go away, then it needs to get out there. Alll this is WAYYY to soon to discuss, but it is being asked, justifiably. Ethics / everyone needs / should have are my balancing act. I know if the entire show go's out even discretely it will be on ebay in a month, that is just human nature and life and not a judgement. To think otherwise, well..... so please pardon method here. It has been asked so that is disclosure. It really is about Duane, not money, not ego. End note is still "too good to be true" as a bitter pessimist to the fighting end

 

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  posted on 9/7/2015 at 11:26 AM
To elaborate, I have no issue putting Stonybrook out there on a vine or whatever someone else wants if after review as described it is worth that. That is because it is one song difference, show is traded, and it is already commercial release. This Chicago has that chance of being more than a song thing.... so different perspective. I hope that makes sense.

 

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  posted on 9/7/2015 at 01:54 PM
Just to be sure I am understanding you - you have also found a reel recording of the Stonybrook Blue Sky show that includes a Whipping Post? If so, how is the sound on that?! Any improvement on the Archive release sound would be huge, especially if it is off a sound board!

Thanks for tracking all this down and doing all this work!!

I gather it is a little early for this but if you were to offer that Chicago show to the band, could you at lease let us know what they say the odds are of it ever seeing the light of day (public release)? Don't mean to be selfish but I dislike the thought of false hope. Thank you Bird!

 

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  posted on 9/7/2015 at 04:36 PM
Well somehow thru moving shows fro one HD to another I have many original ABB shows that are corrupt. Not sure how that happened and deeply troubling. If this show becomes available I would love to hear it. After all, it was the greatest band in the land.

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  posted on 9/8/2015 at 04:18 AM
Tony ... I think the key here is as to whether you think this is a single concert or not.

The first 6 tracks are the classic opening sequence to most concerts of the Fillmore East era circa 3/71 ... however, in addition to the rare inclusion of "Revival", to have no "Whipping Post" is unusual and to finish with "Stormy Monday" is also strange.

The inclusion of "Hot 'Lanta" means that it cannot pre-date January 71 ... as I don't believe it was played before then. The first recording I have of a show with "Hot 'Lanta" included is the 1/23/71 Late Show at Port Chester. In the intro Duane says "We got a new song we want you to hear".

The only show from that era that I have a recording of which has both "Hot 'Lanta" and "Revival" is the 2/28/71 show at Brewer Fieldhouse ... but the set list does not match the one you have given above ... and it is not a professional recording either.

Like everyone else, I really hope that this is a new show ... but I find it difficult to believe that an FM broadcast would have remained hidden for so long ... however I do live in hope and look forward to any further info you can give us.

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  posted on 9/8/2015 at 02:36 PM
Setlist or should I say Playlist correction (addition): Note OWO add....

Setlist:
Statesboro Blues
Trouble No More
Don't Keep Me Wonderin'
Done Somebody Wrong
One Way Out
Liz Reed
You Don't Love Me
Hot 'Lanta
Revival
Stormy Monday

Good news is Statesboro is only song too fast which is very odd and leas toward compilation, or speed adjustment after one song (?). Sound is pretty good on rest, some sound glitches occasionally but great bass and vocals are clear. Has some fades on a couple. Breaks ona couple. Some flow between songs no breaks.

Before Hot Lanta:
This is called Hot Lanta, is the name of it

Tried to figure who is harmonizing high on Revival, strong chorus stuff.

Trouble No More:
Muddy waters song for you, One Two Jump Start Ready On (Duane)

Don't Keep Me Wondering:
Like to do a song off our Idlewild South (Gregg I think) repeat: "Idlewild South Album" (Duane) then Ready? Then Is that what we are doing?

Done Somebody wrong:
Ah, leave it indoors (unknown) then Gonna do Elmore James Did Somebody Wrong, One Two Three Four.....

One Way Out:
After song intro started Duane: "Elmore James One Way Out"....

Before Liz Reed
Hello Thank You Thank You Thank You We got a little tuning to do.
Gregg> Dickey Betts Composition

so there we are the banter best I could









OK some clues maybe...

 

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  posted on 9/8/2015 at 03:45 PM
That is A&R Studios.

At least the banter before Done Somebody Wrong (I always thought he said "even indoors"), Trouble No More, the One Way Out Banter and Liz Reed "tuning" banter are all Exactly the same off the top of my head.

I think it would be a pretty big coincidence to find an unknown radio broadcast recording of such high quality with banter that is virtually identical to the A&R radio broadcast set lists and banter.

I will have to give a listen to the banter before Hot Lanta.

Another indication that this would be A&R is Dickey takes the first solo on Statesboro. If that is the case on your recording, given the banter on the other tracks, I'd say that increases the odds.

Having said all that, you mentioned earlier that there is no King Curtis banter nor any Soul Serenade in You Don't Love Me.

Also, A&R, at least all the copies I have seen circulated, do NOT have Revival let alone a radio broadcast quality Revival.

Sounds like at least the DKMW, DSW, OWO and Liz Reed are all A&R.

It all gets down to that Revival. My guess is that they may have played Revival at this show but it has never been circulated OR the quality of the Revival is not that good and someone has added a Revival and possibly a YDLM and Statesboro and is trying to pass this off as an "uncovered treasure." Given the difference in speed on the Statesboro, I'd say the latter may be the more likely answer. Regardless, would love to hear a radio quality recording of the original lineup performing Revival live. That alone IS uncovered treasure.

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  posted on 9/8/2015 at 04:16 PM
when A&R first came up I A/B listened only to YDLM and they are definitely different. I need to A/B the other 4. A compilation is what makes sense...... leaning towards this being a broadcast as said but who knows. It came in a lot with other stuff that were shows indicated.

 

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  posted on 9/8/2015 at 04:40 PM
Anything not from A&R that is of the same sound quality is a find, the Revial in particular and I'd love to hear them. 99% sure that the banter mentioned earlier is from A&R. Thanks for digging and finding either way
 
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