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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 09:07 AM
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This kind of crap is so unnecessary. The governing body of the NHL needs to clamp down on hockey violence. Baseball, football and basketball don't allow or condone on field/court brawls. Why should the hockey leagues tolerate it?





Moore has fractured neck; police investigating

Web posted Tuesday, March 9, 2004
Associated Press
VANCOUVER, British Columbia -- Colorado Avalanche forward Steve Moore will miss the rest of the season with a broken neck after a hit by Vancouver's Todd Bertuzzi that prompted a police investigation.

Moore also sustained a concussion and deep facial cuts, the Avalanche said Tuesday. He will remain hospitalized in Vancouver indefinitely, Colorado trainer Pat Karns said.

Bertuzzi has been suspended indefinitely pending a hearing at the NHL office in Toronto on Wednesday.

Moore was slugged in the side of the head by Bertuzzi late in Monday night's game, a 9-2 Colorado victory. Bertuzzi struck him from behind and drove his head into the ice. Moore landed face-first - with Bertuzzi on top of him - and lay in a pool of blood for several minutes before he was removed on a stretcher.

B.C. Solicitor General Rich Coleman and Vancouver police said Tuesday a preliminary investigation has begun.

This will be the second time in recent years Vancouver police have become involved in an on-ice hit at an NHL game. Former NHL tough guy Marty McSorley was charged for hitting then-Vancouver Canuck Donald Brashear with his stick in February 2000.

Vancouver players had vowed to get even with Moore for a Feb. 16 hit that knocked out star Markus Naslund for three games with a concussion. Nothing happened in last week's rematch in Denver, a 5-5 tie attended by NHL commissioner Gary Bettman.

The Avalanche said that when Moore's condition improves, he will be transferred to Craig Hospital in Denver and evaluated by neurosurgeons.

"Steve knows he has the support of the entire Avalanche family and hockey fans throughout the world, and we hope that he recovers as soon as possible," Avalanche president and general manager Pierre Lacroix said.

Vancouver general manager Brian Burke said Bertuzzi was "too distraught" to attend Tuesday's news conference, but the Canucks right wing tried to contact Moore at the hospital.

"That to me shows the sincerity more than any statement that we could issue," Burke said.

"He's remorseful, and relieved that Mr. Moore's injuries at this point appear, that a full recovery should be possible," Burke added.

The general manager said he'll attend the NHL hearing with Bertuzzi.

Bertuzzi, a 6-foot-3, 235-pounder, was an All-Star last season when he was fifth in the league in scoring. This year, he was an All-Star again and has 60 points, 23rd in the league.

Moore is a checking forward on a team stacked with stars. The rookie center has four goals and seven assists this season.

McSorley, while with the Boston Bruins, drew a one-year suspension for using his stick to hit Brashear on the side of the head. Brashear was knocked unconscious and missed 20 games with a concussion.

McSorley was tried in court and received a conditional sentence for assault with a weapon, but his one-year suspension from the NHL ended his 17-year career.

--From the Wednesday, March 10, 2004 printed edition of the Augusta Chronicle



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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:14 AM
Agreed! Hockey is a great game that simply does not need that S*** or those "players" either.........

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:29 AM
I saw that hit this morning on the news - vicious.
Hockey is better than that.

 
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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:30 AM
All pro sports are full of thugs and criminals. Hockey will put a nice spin on this and move on. If he didn't break his neck they'd all be winking and smiling about it. Most pro basketball players look and act like they belong in a police line-up. Baseball players change teams so quickly it's hard to keep a loyalty to a team. It's even hard to hate the Yankees anymore because half their players were somewhere else last year. And the steroid thing. Can't test the stars. Friggin Barry Bonds averages about 35 homers a year until he turns forty, then his head expands five sizes and he's hitting 70+. Can't test him though. From the looks of these guys, I'd say Roger Maris is still the human home run king, and these other chemically produced "stars" don't deserve the recognition. Sorry for the rant but pro sports have moved directly into the gutter. Except the Tigers, they were already there.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:34 AM
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Sorry for the rant but pro sports have moved directly into the gutter. Except the Tigers, they were already there.


Ouch! That one hurt.

 
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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:35 AM
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I saw that hit this morning on the news - vicious.
Hockey is better than that.


I saw it for the first time this morning, too. I'm not wimp when it comes to hockey fights but that was one cheap shot. Man...late in a game with a score of 9-2?! Crazy. Are they checking for steroids in hockey like they're claiming to in baseball?

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:36 AM
That's how I feel about pro sports in a nutshell.

These guys are way overpaid for playing games we played as kids in school or recreation leagues. I know they are the cream of the crop, but what do they really contribute to society as pro athletes? Entertainment? Sometimes I wonder about that. At the cost of a broken neck? It's time to clean up pro sports. Our young people look up to these guys as role models and that scares the HeII out of me.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:36 AM
The last time something like this happened, hockey didn't put a nice spin on it... the player got suspended for a year and ended up never playing in the NHL again. I figure something similar would be appropriate. This isn't really like a hockey fight, that's between two guys who decide to do it. This was an attack.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:40 AM
With the Lockout/Strike looming, I think a looong message is going to be sent.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:41 AM
Agreed Marley. A cheap shot can catch you offguard and unable to brace yourself for the blow. That's how the guys neck was broken. Caught completely offguard. I'd press charges and hope for jail time. He could have killed this guy, or worse, made him a quad or parapalegic for the rest of his life.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 10:42 AM
Yeah, Marley's right on that. Marty McSorly was always a goon, but that hit he laid on that guy effectively ended his career.

You need to keep in mind one of the reasons fighting is allowed. If it weren't, you'd have guys cheap shoting each other with their sticks all the time. Yeah, hockey is violent but it would be worse if they couldn't fight. Granted, this hit wasn't a fight in any way.

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:00 AM
I do find this pretty amazing... he just charged up to the guy, tackled him fell right on him. With a guy weighing 245 pounds, it definitely could've been worse.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:14 AM
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Yeah, Marley's right on that. Marty McSorly was always a good, but that hit he laid on that guy effectively ended his career.

You need to keep in mind one of the reasons fighting is allowed. If it weren't, you'd have guys cheap shoting each other with their sticks all the time. Yeah, hockey is violent but it would be worse if they couldn't fight. Granted, this hit wasn't a fight in any way.


I don't agree, Lee - Fighting is not a "release," but a way to sell tickets........For what other reason do teams carry "enforcers" on their rosters who can barely skate, much less play? Hockey is a great game in and of itself that does not need fighting to make it more "exciting" for the fans.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:18 AM
I'm not saying fighting is good or bad, my point is that if they didn't allow fighting, the vicious stick swinging incidents would increase and would be much more violent.
 
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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:22 AM
I actually had this argument about a year ago before a Beacon show and I was on Bobo's side of it. The enforcers are there to make sure other teams can't just beat the crap out of your superstar players and get away with it. It's an MAD kind of thing.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:38 AM
This stuff is exactly why I couldn't care less about hockey. Players are assaulted, plain and simple. What do most people you know who go to a game usually say? "Yeah, it was a lot of fun, there were three fights."

Ever watch an Olympic hockey game? Beautiful skating, exciting, no fighting.

The Avs player was blindsided and unable to protect himself. The goon Bertuzzi had dropped his stick prior to the attack. And that's what it was an attack.

Try this one. Next week at the Beacon, walk up to someone unsuspecting and punch them from behind, fall on them and break their neck. Think you'll get a suspension from the Beacon for doing that. No, you'll go to jail and that's where you belong.

The hit Moore made against Vancouver was open ice, not a sneak attack. But it had to be retaliated for.

Goontuzzi "feels terrible and very remorseful." If he hadn't broken the guy's neck he'd be a hero on his team and everyone around the league would be winking their approval. Feels sorry like criminals feel sorry. Sorry that they got caught.

One of the Colorado coaches comdemns this sayiong there's no place in the "game" for this. Same guy got a 15 game suspension for slashing another player years back. One of the longer suspensions for an action on the ice. So, I guess cheap shot slashing is okay but cheapshot breaking of a neck is a little much. Okay, now, I'm beginning to understand, LOL.

Want to stop this stuff NHL??? (And of course they don't) Here's what you do. Severely injure another player in a fight or with a cheap hit. The offender is suspended without pay until the injured player recovers from the injures and returns to the ice.

In this case, I'd suspect Moore never plays another game. Neither should Bertuzzi.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:43 AM
Can the NHL suspend someone without pay that way?

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:47 AM
A couple of other points and I'll let it go:

Marty McSorley was Wayne Gretzky's "bodyguard" for years in both Edmenton and L.A. Funny thing was that he developed into a decent hockey player along the way until his infamous "blowup."

This kind of stuff rarely happens in the playoffs where the stakes are much higher for all parties concerned; as a matter of fact, you don't often see the enforcers on the ice because they can't play and only hurt their team.

Watch Olympic Hockey - intense and physical as hell but no fighting because it's not allowed. IMHO, the NHL would do the game a service by banning fighting altogether; it's a great game that doesn't need it - just my 2 cents and let's all hope that Steve Moore wil be ok.

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 11:59 AM
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"Ever watch an Olympic hockey game? Beautiful skating, exciting, no fighting."

check out the 1956 Melbourne? Summer Games. Right after the favorite of many in the world (sarcasm icon needed), the Soviet Union invaded Hungary earlier that year to promote good international behavior, and both were in the Olympics. The water polo match got excessively brutal, fighting underwater, open combat, large pools of blood in the water, etc., etc.

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 03:47 PM
I wrote a letter to the capitals this year complaining that
they were a bunch of wimps and were not hitting anyone.

Hockey *IS* a fast and violent sport. They are today's
gladiators.

Check out Dr Hunter Thompson and Warren Zevon's
take on hockey in "Hit Somebody"

I remember when they said Dale Hunter's 22 game suspension
for a late elbow would send a message. Or the criminal
charges in the minor league stick incident would stop it.

I think some players are getting mixed signals about agression.

And some guys have a hard time turing off aggression, maybe
they aren't cut out to be hockey goons.


Between this crap and the stick work that still goes on and
The Capitals dumping all there stars to get ready for the strike......

I'm loosing interest in hockey. I was a season ticket holder
when we hosted the cup finals, I haven't been to a game
in the last two seasons.

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 09:22 PM
The guy should be kicked out of the league. End of story. And not paid a dime more on his contract, either. I enjoy the roughness of the sport, but thatw as taking it waaaay to far

 

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  posted on 3/10/2004 at 09:48 PM
last fight i went to a hockey game broke out......
seriously this is disgraceful and sports have taken it to the extreme for ratings and whatever, a really a sad story, a punk like this should be suspended for life & then some.
i'm sure that tempers flair and that they are on edge sometimes but to take a cheap shot and possibly end a career there isn't room in any sport or life for that matter for something like that.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2004 at 12:41 AM
Hockey has a lot of things, but TV ratings isn't one of them.

 

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  posted on 3/11/2004 at 11:04 AM
Marley is right about the ratings. Many make very good points as this is stirs the fighting debate. Think the NHL is bad? Check out the lower tier leagues, like the ECHL and CHL. Juniors, especially the Quebec league is pretty crazy. I know it sounds crazy, but removing the instigator (minor) penalty would make more players accountable for their actions (and sticks). Improvements in protective equipment, especially elbow and shoulder pads have made the hits more violent - it doesn't hurt as much to give as it does to receive. Check out the "old school" (pre 1996) gear. Quite a few players still wear the cotton.
 

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  posted on 3/11/2004 at 11:57 AM
Saw Bertuzzi's crocodile teared press conference on Sportscenter. "Steve, boo-hoo, I'm boo-hoo sorry. boo-hoo. I boo-hoo never meant boo-hoo to hurt you. boo-hoo" Let's see, a 245 pound "athlete" drops his stick, cruises up behind another skater who doesn't know he's there, sucker punches him from behind and drives his face into the ice as he plows on top of the guy. Yep, I can see why he was surprised he hurt him. He should be banned until his victim can play again, then start his one season suspension from there. boo-hoo!!!
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