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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:33 PM
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If he was so justified in his action why did he resign? Why has the lawyer apologized?



First off, look closely and you'll find I haven't said he was justified in his action. I have merely pointed out the fact that the girl in the bikini had already been asked to leave numerous times and failed to comply. Had she done so it would have been avoided. Why is this is so difficult to grasp? If a cop repeatedly asks you to leave, clear out!

The resignation. You were honestly expecting something else? In this current environment? That chief was more than glad to throw one cop under the bus, as opposed to Sharpton and Company and the Rent-A-Riot showing up to destroy half of McKinney. No brainer.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:35 PM
Did the teenage girl commit any crime? Is it illegal to refuse to leave a public area when a cop tells you to? Anyway, i guess it doesn't matter for this thread since we've made our minds up. She clearly provoked the officer with her offensive words, so he had every right to put his hands on her. Oh wait.....
 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:39 PM
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"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.


I have a masters degree in clinical psychology and twenty years of clinical experience. I have also worked in the Texas prison system as a Life Skills and DWI Intervention instructor, as well as spending the last eight years teaching science at our school district's disciplinary campus. I have a 17 year old daughter and a 14 year old son, and I'm here to tell you that if it was either of my kids getting thrown down by the cops in this situation the first conversation I'm having is with my kid about what they heck are they doing putting themselves in a situation like that with people involved in that kind of behavior to begin with. The next conversation I'm having is with my kid about why they did not follow police instructions. The third conversation I'm having is with my kid about the loss of privileges and consequences they are going to experience due to their poor choices. Then I might have a conversation with the city about the officer's response being out of proportion to the action of my kid. Then I'm right back with my kid having them apologize to the officer, the police force, and the community for their lack of respect and poor behavior. The onus for the behavior of my children and the consequences of their behavior is absolutely squarely on their shoulders, no ifs, ands or buts. You can call that whatever you want. I call it effective parenting.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by DougMacKenzie]

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:43 PM
BB and BB, save your blood pressure. You're just two more low-info voters with nothing to offer but melodrama, you can't even dream of competing with the superior conservative intellects.

Relax, take a walk, put on some tunes. Leave the important matters to those who have the wisdom.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:44 PM
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"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.


Are you kidding? I have a teenage daughter. First of all, I'd tell her if she was trespassing that probably wasn't a good idea and try not to do it anymore. Second, if a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get the hell out of there! If she didn't, then you bet the onus falls on her. If she was light blue or green I'd tell her the same thing.


 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:46 PM
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"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.


I have a masters degree in clinical psychology and twenty years of clinical experience. I have also worked in the Texas prison system as a Life Skills and DWI Intervention instructor, as well as spending the last eight years teaching science at our school district's disciplinary campus. I have a 17 year old daughter and a 14 year old son, and I'm here to tell you that if it was either of my kids getting thrown down by the cops in this situation the first conversation I'm having is with my kid about what they heck are they doing putting themselves in a situation like that with people involved in that kind of behavior to begin with. The next conversation I'm having is with my kid about why they did not follow police instructions. The third conversation I'm having is with my kid about the loss of privileges and consequences they are going to experience due to their poor choices. Then I might have a conversation with the city about the officer's response being out of proportion to the action of my kid. Then I'm right back with my kid having them apologize to the officer, the police force, and the community for their lack of respect and poor behavior. The onus for the behavior of my children and the consequences of their behavior is absolutely squarely on their shoulders, no ifs, ands or buts. You can call that whatever you want. I call it effective parenting.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by DougMacKenzie]


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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:46 PM
I am in my fifties, never been arrested, never been accosted by the police. Been pulled over for traffic infractions more times than I can count, expired tags, no seat belt, speeding. I have been at the scene of parties that have gotten out of hand where the police have been called, been witness to bar fights, hassles at stadiums, concerts and what have you. I repeat, never spent a minute in Jail. My secret?.... When a Policeman asks me to do something?

I comply, immediately.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:57 PM
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I am in my fifties, never been arrested, never been accosted by the police. Been pulled over for traffic infractions more times than I can count, expired tags, no seat belt, speeding. I have been at the scene of parties that have gotten out of hand where the police have been called, been witness to bar fights, hassles at stadiums, concerts and what have you. I repeat, never spent a minute in Jail. My secret?.... When a Policeman asks me to do something?

I comply, immediately.


You don't argue with him and tell him he is wrong? I am shocked.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:00 PM
I've now seen/heard so many versions of what happened leading up to the encounter in question that I am having a hard time keeping all these hypotheticals straight. Oh well, I guess I'll have to rely on the justice system to sort it out and then maybe eventually we'll know who to blame.

By the way, I agree with everything DougMac said. Still doesn't let the cop off the hook, and based on what I heard his lawyer say this morning, it would seem that he knows his actions were inappropriate.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by gondicar]

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:01 PM
"If a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get out of there!"

How nice. Just as our Founding Fathers hoped.

F the blacks and Muslims. They don't apply to our value system. Got it.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:04 PM
Bhawk, you are right. It's tough to debate when you start from one angle, and then it gets dumbed down after every response.
 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:06 PM
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Bhawk, you are right. It's tough to debate when you start from one angle, and then it gets dumbed down after every response.

Whatever.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:18 PM
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I am in my fifties, never been arrested, never been accosted by the police. Been pulled over for traffic infractions more times than I can count, expired tags, no seat belt, speeding. I have been at the scene of parties that have gotten out of hand where the police have been called, been witness to bar fights, hassles at stadiums, concerts and what have you. I repeat, never spent a minute in Jail. My secret?.... When a Policeman asks me to do something?

I comply, immediately.


You don't argue with him and tell him he is wrong? I am shocked.


Haha...Just about everyone else though!

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 02:20 PM
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"If a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get out of there!"

How nice. Just as our Founding Fathers hoped.

F the blacks and Muslims. They don't apply to our value system. Got it.


Value system?...please. How about understanding English and the consequences of your chosen response?

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:06 PM
Indeed. The OP only has the word "racial" in it twice.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:18 PM
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Indeed. The OP only has the word "racial" in it twice.


Pretty sure he was talking about comments on the McKinney Massacre. The OP was written days before that even occurred.

 

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"If a cop asks you to leave, keep your mouth shut and get out of there!"

How nice. Just as our Founding Fathers hoped.

F the blacks and Muslims. They don't apply to our value system. Got it.


Value system?...please. How about understanding English and the consequences of your chosen response?


Hello.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:22 PM
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Indeed. The OP only has the word "racial" in it twice.

The OP is irrelevant at this point. Topics shift. Nobody is talking about Ferguson, or race. Except BB.

I thought you took your ball and went home.


I'm still here, just don't choose to get worked up about useless interactions as much as I used to. Utterly pointless. Had a slip-up earlier, I'll try harder.

Man, you sound familiar. You come around before 2012? I could be wrong, though, that happens a lot.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:25 PM
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Indeed. The OP only has the word "racial" in it twice.


Pretty sure he was talking about comments on the McKinney Massacre. The OP was written days before that even occurred.


Hey man, I'm all low-info melodramatic. Hard to keep this stuff straight. Good thing there's a smart guy like you around to keep things on the correct path.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:30 PM
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Indeed. The OP only has the word "racial" in it twice.

The OP is irrelevant at this point. Topics shift. Nobody is talking about Ferguson, or race. Except BB.

I thought you took your ball and went home.


I'm still here, just don't choose to get worked up about useless interactions as much as I used to. Utterly pointless. Had a slip-up earlier, I'll try harder.

Man, you sound familiar. You come around before 2012? I could be wrong, though, that happens a lot.

Still here but you're just trying to score cheapshots now. Anyhow...


You certainly do work hard on keeping score, good job!

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 03:58 PM
So I guess all you folks who think the out of work cop was right also think gunning those kids down at Kent State was appropriate. They should have just picked up their flowers and protest signs and gone to class.

And I'm sure you think it was OK that those kids at Jackson State were gunned down.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 04:50 PM
And out come the straw horses. Never would have guessed.
 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 04:51 PM
Low-info melodrama! You nailed it!

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 04:55 PM
I know Police officers have a really hard job. I admire and applaud their service. The work really hard for little money in a job they choose. They were trained for that job and that training and their paycheck makes them professionals. They need to act accordingly.

The last twenty years has brought major changes to our police programs. I don't think anyone here will deny that our Citizens On Patrol (COPs) have been, and continue to be more militarized.

I'm personally not OK with these changes.

The militarization of our police departments makes me think it is more important that individual police officers act with professionalism. Sometimes that means showing some restraint.

I agree with the good parents who would discipline their children for their outrageous behavior. I don't believe that any of you would be OK with your teen age daughter being slammed to the ground.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 05:44 PM
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I know Police officers have a really hard job. I admire and applaud their service. The work really hard for little money in a job they choose. They were trained for that job and that training and their paycheck makes them professionals. They need to act accordingly.

The last twenty years has brought major changes to our police programs. I don't think anyone here will deny that our Citizens On Patrol (COPs) have been, and continue to be more militarized.

I'm personally not OK with these changes.

The militarization of our police departments makes me think it is more important that individual police officers act with professionalism. Sometimes that means showing some restraint.

I agree with the good parents who would discipline their children for their outrageous behavior. I don't believe that any of you would be OK with your teen age daughter being slammed to the ground.

Believe what you want. I told you exactly what I would do with my kids in a previous post. Police officers have had to increase their firepower and capability to respond to the increases in firepower and capability on the street. It does no good to take a snub nosed revolver to an Uzi fight. Equating Kent State and Jackson State to McKinney is ludicrous.

 

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