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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 06:04 PM
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Another manifestation of the Ferguson Effect is an apparent lack of respect for police officers. We saw this again in McKinney. If a cop tells you to get on the ground and keep your mouth shut, then get on the ground and keep your mouth shut.

Don't run, charge at him, refuse to hold still, scream obscenities at him, attempt to grab his firearm, and what not. If you are told to leave the area five times and continue to hang around, don't complain if you get manhandled shortly after that. How hard is this?

Compliance with a simple request greatly decreases your chance of law enforcement related health problems.


Another in a line of myopic posts by you. You weren't there, & it wasn't one of your kids. It's very simple to be an arm chair quarterback and attempt to rationalize behavior and make statements like you do when it wasn't you or a family member involved or on the receiving end of an apparent injustice. But, that's OK - keep making your absentee generalizations about this event resorting to your usual stereotypes.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 06:05 PM
There is so much about this being reported in the local media that is not being reported in the national media. I have friends and relatives that live in McKinney, we go there all the time. They are saying there was a lot more going on during this incident than a teenage pool party. I'd suggest giving this a little time for all the information to come out. That being said, it is obvious this officer, the first one on the scene, was over amped, at least when that snippet of video is viewed.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 06:23 PM
yes i have read that the DJ they hired was using social media to get more people to show up.

as far as the cop repeating himself after the girl was already down, i think thats a common police tactic. watch a few episodes of Cops, they do that all of the time. watch the guy getting choked out in NYC. i'm pretty sure they did that there.

barny fife was out of control but i would really like to know what happened before the cops got there and what happened before that video started.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 06:33 PM
listen, there are a few bad apples in every bunch. I have a couple of close friends who are officers and I respect the force greatly. Police are not doing anything differently than they ever have - the only difference is that everyone has a camera, like Bhawk pointed out. Now every bad apple gets exposed, and none of the good gets noticed. It's a shame. It's crazy how we get divided over whether to acknowledge that a cop did something wrong.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 06:35 PM
alloak, I agree that it was their fault. My point is that the cops would never have escalated anything if the group were white teenagers, IMO. The police chief was adamant that the cop was out of control from the moment he arrived, plain and simple.
 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 11:14 PM
Now that the cop resigned alloak abandoned this thread.

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  posted on 6/10/2015 at 09:58 AM
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I continue to amazed at just how profoundly our society is being affected by the fact that everyone has a camera.

Are you saying that is good or bad?


Both, actually.

In this particular case, there's more to the situation, of course. The video in question doesn't come close to telling the entire story of what happened at that pool.

But...the isolated action of a cop throwing a 15 year old girl in a bikini to the ground, that's a pretty indelible image.

There's a lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of years that have never been captured on camera or video, that's all changing every second of every day.

 

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  posted on 6/10/2015 at 08:01 PM
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Generally speaking, this boils down to race, just like Geller. If it's anti-jew, it's condemned by all. If it's anti Muslim, no problem. Black cop v white teen girl = lawsuit. White cop v black teen girl = "your fault for not obeying."

[Edited on 6/9/2015 by BoytonBrother]


But it IS their fault! The police are authorized and trained to use force against non-cooperative individuals. Hit the deck and keep your mouth shut and you won't have a problem. Why is this being debated? I don't care if the kid is white, black, or purple, don't be an idiot. Better yet, if you've already been asked to clear out you should already be somewhere else.


Many of those kids, both black and white, had passes to the pool and lived in the neighborhood. Since they were doing nothing wrong, the police had no business telling them to leave. You really seem to support a police state.


Why were the police called if nothing was wrong? Trespassing and fighting. Correct, it's a racially diverse neighborhood, but residents are not permitted to have more than two guests at the pool. However, many more non-residents showed up and started jumping the fence. A few fights broke out. The security guard was trying to get the situation under control but was badly outnumbered. That's when he called the police.

Residents reported a disturbance at the privately owned pool. There were reports of fighting, vandalism, and trespassing in the area when officers responded.

Nobody was doing anything wrong? That's one of the irritations. The police are called for a reason, namely that laws are being broken. But, that fact is seemingly forgotten when it's time to throw a cop under the bus.

Now somebody will come along and somehow translate this post into thinking I want a police state...........Whatever.















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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 07:40 AM
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I continue to amazed at just how profoundly our society is being affected by the fact that everyone has a camera.

Are you saying that is good or bad?


Both, actually.

In this particular case, there's more to the situation, of course. The video in question doesn't come close to telling the entire story of what happened at that pool.

But...the isolated action of a cop throwing a 15 year old girl in a bikini to the ground, that's a pretty indelible image.

There's a lot of things that have gone on for hundreds of years that have never been captured on camera or video, that's all changing every second of every day.


I agree it's partly bad.

Now what we have as a result are a few isolated cases conflated into some kind of massive problem, never mind the 99.92417% police encounters where there is no problem. The race merchants. activist politicians, and the media have ignited a huge blowback against the police based on a handful of racially charged incidents.

Now many don't think they have to obey the police, want to kill the police, ect. Thus, a much bigger problem rooted in the disrespect of law enforcement is causing a much bigger problem..

Great job, idiots. All you're doing is making the streets more dangerous.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 07:53 AM
Saw the lawyer for the cop interviewed this morning. She basically admitted he was wrong...said he had been on two "very stressful" suicide calls earlier in the day which drained him and caused him to let his emotions get the better of him.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 08:36 AM
I could not imagine being a cop right now. Knowing your every move could be filmed and scrutinized at a time when respect for your badge seems to be at an all time low and any hesitation could cost you your life.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 08:38 AM
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I could not imagine being a cop right now. Knowing your every move could be filmed and scrutinized at a time when respect for your badge seems to be at an all time low and any hesitation could cost you your life.


For example in the video of this incident, when he was trying to keep the girl down, those two males RUSHED up to him, in what looks like an aggressive manner - sure hindsight is 20/20, but what was that cop supposed to do about them? He had no idea if they were armed, intended to jump on him or who knows what.

 

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Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

 

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Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

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The race hustlers and hate groups have to keep up the “official oppression”, “white privilege”, “no justice, no peace”, “police brutality” and more to avoid discussing black crime and the degrading of black culture.

As many police chiefs have said and the NYC Police Commissioner reiterated yesterday they want to hire more black police officers but too many blacks cannot pass a criminal background check or a drug test.

Not a problem of the white man’s making but whitey has to pay the bill.


 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 11:39 AM
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Now what we have as a result are a few isolated cases conflated into some kind of massive problem, never mind the 99.92417% police encounters where there is no problem. The race merchants. activist politicians, and the media have ignited a huge blowback against the police based on a handful of racially charged incidents.

Now many don't think they have to obey the police, want to kill the police, ect. Thus, a much bigger problem rooted in the disrespect of law enforcement is causing a much bigger problem..


You're completely discounting any personal interaction anyone may have had with law enforcement. I've never lived in a high crime area and I've never been a minority, so I have really no basis to judge people in those areas when it comes to their experiences.

Ignited a huge "blowback?" In instances such a Ferguson, looked to me like smoldering powderkegs, waiting like a bomb due to cumulative treatment over many years.

There were 12 cops that showed up initially at the pool party, 11 of them still have their jobs. If everyone having a camera goes towards isolating those who betray the public trust by being an abusive part of law enforcement, then that can only be a good thing. One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."

 

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One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."


According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.

 

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One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."


According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.

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Did you notice that the left-wing media is only showing the narrow and short view of the incident?

The full video shows the violence by the locals, both black and white, and goes on far longer than the snippet show by the main-stream media.
The main-stream media also edited out the audio of the insults and baiting thrown at the police officer but conveniently the audio re-appears when the girl is screaming for her mother.


 

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Just heard a new phrase (new to me anyhow) being thrown around about this: official oppression

As in "my client and I strongly object to this incident of official oppression and we will not be happy until this officer is fired and brought to trial."

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The race hustlers and hate groups have to keep up the “official oppression”, “white privilege”, “no justice, no peace”, “police brutality” and more to avoid discussing black crime and the degrading of black culture.

As many police chiefs have said and the NYC Police Commissioner reiterated yesterday they want to hire more black police officers but too many blacks cannot pass a criminal background check or a drug test.

Not a problem of the white man’s making but whitey has to pay the bill.



You are a racist pig.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 12:15 PM
Post removed. Just ain't worth the time or the negative energy.

[Edited on 6/11/2015 by Bhawk]

 

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One of my oldest friends is a cop, I asked him about this latest and his response was, "Idiot, and I'm not talking about the person in the bikini."


According to witnesses the girl had been asked to leave numerous times, did not comply, and should have no longer even been in the area. That's pretty stupid, but maybe your buddy didn't know.


Got what she deserved, huh?

Conservatives are getting such a warm fuzzy outta that. Just love seeing a girl in a bikini get thrown around.

How many times have you watched it? Prolly on a loop, makes you laugh out loud, I'll bet.

Certain people should just know their place, right?


Ease up on the melodrama. It's not about what somebody deserved, knowing their place, or what conservatives do or don't do. It's a simple fact that if she does what the police had asked her it doesn't even get to that point. Why is this so difficult? It's like playing with matches and gasoline, getting burned, then blaming the gasoline.

 

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You got all the answers, man. Have a nice day.

 

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Ease up on the melodrama. It's not about what somebody deserved, knowing their place, or what conservatives do or don't do. It's a simple fact that if she does what the police had asked her it doesn't even get to that point. Why is this so difficult? It's like playing with matches and gasoline, getting burned, then blaming the gasoline.


11 of the 12 cops didn't beat her down. The cop that did resigned and his lawyer has apologized.

If he was so justified in his action why did he resign? Why has the lawyer apologized?

Don't bother answering alloak. You are as wrong as the cop in this matter.

It is obvious you believe in an unfettered police state. That's Fascism. You are an extreme right wing zealot. You can't help it.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 12:47 PM
So much for living in a democracy.

 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:18 PM
It's starting to get old. Time after time, the one common denominator in these cases is people not cooperating with the police.

The combatant law breaker becomes a victim that everybody is supposed to feel sorry for...while the police get trashed. Then, it becomes another big racial issue warranted or not, and the Rent-A-Mobs show up to destroy more property.

The cycle then repeats because resentment toward the police is festering -- while black leaders encourage disobedience, make threats, ignore responsibility, play up victimization -- leading to even less respect for law enforcement, and around and around we go.


 

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  posted on 6/11/2015 at 01:18 PM
"If the teenage girl listened, she wouldn't have been thrown to the ground."

Whats the point of this logic? That the onus falls on the teenager? That is blatant racism...if your teenage daughter was thrown to the ground with a knee in her back simply for not listening and leaving a scene, we'd all be outraged. But since it's a black teen, then good for them animals. Effing disgusting. Luckily, these old farts who think like this are slowly becoming a small minority as they die off.

 
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