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  posted on 6/5/2015 at 10:20 AM
Unlike the ACA, you won't be one serious illness away from being wiped out financially. Birth control pills and other basic needs might not be covered, but catastrophic situations will...

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/355963/tom-prices-plan-replace-obamac are-andrew-stiles

 
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  posted on 6/5/2015 at 10:35 AM
More on Price's proposal, a 250 page Bill written by a surgeon....

http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2015-06-03/a-conservative-obamacare-r eplacement-could-work?cmpid=yhoo

 

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  posted on 6/5/2015 at 11:16 AM
It would be interesting to see side by side comparison to ACA but if this plan makes more sense then it should be considered.

I don't think anyone thought ACA was the perfect solution but it at least broke the political stalemate and got something enacted which should make it much easier to improve on as opposed to trying to get something enacted in the first place.

 

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  posted on 6/5/2015 at 11:28 PM
Another seems to imply there was one before.....

 

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  posted on 6/6/2015 at 08:03 PM
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Another seems to imply there was one before.....


Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?

 

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  posted on 6/6/2015 at 10:01 PM
The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
 

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  posted on 6/6/2015 at 11:07 PM
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Another seems to imply there was one before.....


Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?



Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 10:10 AM
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Another seems to imply there was one before.....


Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?



Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?




^Joke over head^

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 10:58 AM
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Another seems to imply there was one before.....


Do you think they will ever vote to repeal Obamacare?



Only about 60 times.....but that's not the same as a republican replacement plan, is it?




^Joke over head^


No, Sang's point went over your head. Unless, of course, you had no answer and decided to swerve again.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 03:54 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.


Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 06:02 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 08:32 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 08:44 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...

41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law

52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal

Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 10:19 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...

41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law

52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal

Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.


Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made. Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try. Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.

 

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  posted on 6/7/2015 at 11:35 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...

41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law

52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal

Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.


Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made.

-- How do you know what the wording implies? No sample questions are presented, so how do you reach your conclusions?. Its a simple yea/ nay, do you like the law it or not. Who knows what changes may or may not be made, so you're grasping at straws.

Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try.

-- Again, any proof to back up that statement? Its exactly the reverse of what you claim. The measurement is: would you favor repeal or not? Simple as can be. Not repeal and replace with something made from unicorn tears, just repeal: yes or no.

Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.

-- What agenda? I'm presenting the current status as measured by a reputable system that averages a wide variety of established polls. The result refutes the claims of the previous poster, and apparently ruffles you. Too bad.

That Obama is a liar on a wide range of subjects is beyond established fact.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2015 at 12:31 AM
Obamacare wasn't supposed to cut costs or save the average household money. That was just a lie to get it passed. The ultimate goal is single payer. The government knows Obamacare is a train wreck, and when that becomes apparent enough they will step in with a solution that supposedly will save the day. Single payer.
 

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  posted on 6/8/2015 at 08:33 AM
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Obamacare wasn't supposed to cut costs or save the average household money. That was just a lie to get it passed. The ultimate goal is single payer. The government knows Obamacare is a train wreck, and when that becomes apparent enough they will step in with a solution that supposedly will save the day. Single payer.

From your lips to god's ears. Should have been single payer to begin with but politics made it unrealistic.

 

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What's wrong with single payer?

And who's goal is it? I don't see much support from anyone in office for single payer. A few outliers like Bernie Sanders, other than that I don't see any lobby that would support single payer.

Who would profit? Other than the people?

 

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  posted on 6/8/2015 at 09:42 AM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the wNindow and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4

Many more people WANT obamacare than do not. thats why its not going anywhere. socialized medicine is the ideal situation, but the powers that be will never let that happen.
Fortunately we measure more than one opinion to gauge what the country really thinks...

41.5% favor, 49.3% oppose the law

52.3% favor repeal, 42.8 oppose repeal

Those average results have not changed since the outset and the number of reputable polls that have shown favor for the law is vanishing small.


Pretty disingenuous of you, but that is how you roll. Those polls were worded to ask if the people were for or against the law as it is written today. The wording implies that would they be in favor of there being changes made.

-- How do you know what the wording implies? No sample questions are presented, so how do you reach your conclusions?. Its a simple yea/ nay, do you like the law it or not. Who knows what changes may or may not be made, so you're grasping at straws.

Nowhere does it ask if they are in favor of it being repealed. Nice try.

-- Again, any proof to back up that statement? Its exactly the reverse of what you claim. The measurement is: would you favor repeal or not? Simple as can be. Not repeal and replace with something made from unicorn tears, just repeal: yes or no.

Interesting that you would call Obama a liar when you spend your time here twisting facts to your own agenda.

-- What agenda? I'm presenting the current status as measured by a reputable system that averages a wide variety of established polls. The result refutes the claims of the previous poster, and apparently ruffles you. Too bad.

That Obama is a liar on a wide range of subjects is beyond established fact.



It is all right there in the links you posted but, it seems to me, you never read.

 

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  posted on 6/8/2015 at 06:06 PM
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The American health care system is a shell game. No one seems to understand that no matter what plan is devised it takes X amount of dollars per person to care for them. Obamacare; traditional insurance; catastrophic those numbers don't change. Only the co-pays and deductibles do.
Absolutely....And along with some other structural failures, the Affordable Care Act does very little to address the cost issues associated with the American health care system. If only there were a few sane Republicans in Congress who would have worked with the Dems and the President to improve the ACA act rather than tear it apart for political gain from the get go and we might have a far better situation a couple years in.

But the profit motive for the usual suspects who control both parties won the day and so here we are, still spending far more than most other countries on a system that still has much worse outcomes than many others that cost much, much less......
Whenever govt is involved to any degree in the payment for an item or service, its going to have no cost control. From military spending to college loans, market forces go out the window and providers know that they can charge what they want, increase what they want year-to-year, and the money will keep showing up without the pressure of asking "are we economically competitive?". Bureaucratic machinations replace the normal consumer dynamic, while the providers get rich and the taxpayers get fleeced.

Obamacare was sold as govt combining with the taxpayers to gain a superior result from the insurance companies. What we know now is that it was govt scheming with the insurance companies to get more from the taxpayers. Has anyone seen their $2,500/yr savings, as promised by the Liar & Chief?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=66bgpRRSDD4



Medicare and the Veteran's health system absolutely utilize cost control mechanisms.....Both are government administered health care delivery systems. Neither are perfect too say the least but they have built in mechanisms to contain costs.

Those very same mechanisms could have been incorporated into the ACA. One such example would be the requirement to negotiate drug prices which the VA has been doing for years and has saved the tax payers billions per year.

[Edited on 6/8/2015 by Chain]

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 10:31 AM
I still want to know what's wrong with single payer.

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 04:29 PM
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I still want to know what's wrong with single payer.


It's simple, really. A lot of people would lose a lot of money with single payer as compared to the hugely profitable mess we now have...

 

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Guess what happens when you lie to the people and take unilateral action to screw up their healthcare:

Washington Post Poll: Obamacare Hits Record Unpopularity
June 9, 2015

A new Washington Post-ABC News poll finds that a record 54% of Americans oppose Obamacare–the highest disapproval rating ever in the Post-ABC poll–and a six point increase in unpopularity since last year.

Support for President Barack Obama’s unpopular signature legislative achievement registered at just 39%, which “ties the record low” as seen in April 2012.

The bleak Obamacare poll numbers come as Obama’s controversial healthcare law faces an uncertain future before the Supreme Court.

On Tuesday, Obama launched a new website in an effort to tout Obamacare’s “successes.”
However, with Obamacare now over five years into its existence, it remains unclear how Obama can turn around broad-based negative public perceptions about a law that will cost U.S. taxpayers $2.6 trillion in its first 10 years alone–and that is set to send health insurance premiums skyrocketing this year.

Obama signed Obamacare into law March 23, 2010.



 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 10:21 PM
a few things about ACA
It's imperfect and needs to be tweaked. Unforturnately, politial realities will prevent this
If you have ever met anyone who had to choose between meds and food, refuse medical care because they couldn't pay for it, had to sell their car or house to pay for medical bills (I have) you would know why the former status quo was not good.
The primary goal wasn't to necessarily control medical costs, although that was a goal. The major goal was to make health care available to all.

Another thing about ACA - contrary to popular belief, it wasn't a crazy scheme hatched by Barak Obama, Nancy Pelosi, and Harry Reid.
The principles of the ACA were initally hatched in the late 80s and 90s by none other than the Heritage Foundation (a conservative think tank for those that may not know) and was included in bills introduced and supported by Republicans as an alternative to Hillarycare. The principles that the Heritage Foundation came up with included the "individual mandate".

In the early 21st century, another Republican named Mitt Romney introduced a very similar plan in MA and got it passed. He was so proud of it, he wrote an editorial in USA today in ealry 2009 supporting his plan and pleading with the White House to adapt it for the nation.

so yeah, ACA needs to be fixed. The ability to purchase insurance across state lines is a good idea. So is malpractice reform.
Unfortunately, the number one problem that the GOP establishment has with ACA is the fact that it was passed by a Democratic President and Congress, and not them

http://healthcarereform.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=004182
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act
(scroll down to Legislative history and background)

whatever happens, medical care will remain expensive - because it is expensive. It shouldn't be as expensive at it is, but there is no getting around that health care costs money

[Edited on 6/10/2015 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 6/9/2015 at 10:23 PM
It's amazing what comes out of Obama's mouth when he speaks of Obamacare. Naturally, you would expect him to try and put a happy face on it, but he gushes like it's some kind of smashing success. He sold it on cost savings which never materialized and are going in the opposite direction, but that doesn't stop him.

That's a big reason why his own approval numbers always suck. It's not just the lies, every time he opens his mouth he insults millions upon millions of people.

 
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