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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 02:21 PM
The Fillmore East Archives is a group on Facebook, while reading the forums last nite I stumbled upon a post that mentioned 6/26/71 WAS recorded, it was an audience tape on cassette, the poster also mentioned that the tapes were confiscated at the door by an usher. The poster said he remembers his friend flipping the cassette to side B after a 45 minute One Way Out. (most tapers used 90 min. cassettes) one can only imagine what that'd be like.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 02:44 PM
No way. I could be persuaded that there was a recording even though I would have expected the story to have come out long ago. Nothing could convince me they played One Way Out for 45 minutes. The ABB just didn't do that kind of thing, and the story doesn't make sense. OWO was usually the fourth or fifth song of a show, so a 45-minute version would've been spit onto two sides. Maybe he remembers they opened with Statesboro and OWO was at the end of a 45-minute cassette. The first five or six songs were basically all blues songs, so I can imagine a young fan getting confused.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 02:56 PM
Anything is possible. I hear many conflicting things about 6/26 too, but all have said it was musically amazing. The ABB did stretch Statesboro Blues in 70 a few times so ya never know.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 03:21 PM
They didn't stretch Statesboro that long.
Marley's post makes the most sense.

of course, I'd love to hear the proof either way.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 03:22 PM
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Anything is possible. I hear many conflicting things about 6/26 too, but all have said it was musically amazing. The ABB did stretch Statesboro Blues in 70 a few times so ya never know.

By a little bit, yes. Not by 40 minutes. This sounds more like something the Dead would do - take a song that was usually short and make it last almost an hour. The ABB has never really done that. Even when they add long drum breaks to songs, it's almost always to a song that was longish in the first place.

I'm not trying to dump on the story or anything. If there's a tape of this show, I hope we hear it and it proves me wrong. But if the rest of that story is true I think the thing about the One Way Out is more likely a misunderstanding.

[Edited on 8/26/2014 by Marley]

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 03:38 PM
About a year ago someone who was there posted (or re- posted) his / her recollection of the show. I don't remember a 45 min OWO mentioned.
Memories blur over time, but I don't think that would have been forgotten.

Now - we need to find that usher and get those tapes!!!!!!



[Edited on 8/26/2014 by stormyrider]

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 06:34 PM
OK so someone records this legendary show and then after all that they hand the tapes over?

These shows are like Greek Mythology. Six hour shows. Crowd walks away speechless. Seriously not even one moron yelled out after a six hour show? Some mention the band going on at 4 and stopping as the sun was rising. Six hours? The acid was very good obviously.

Many of us have every available show with Duane and most barely go to two discs. Yet it seems every show lasted all day. Did they stop recording each night?

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 06:41 PM
I understand your skepticism to a certain degree CanadianMule, but the last full-blown ABB show at the Fillmore East, the place where they recorded their famous live album, was not just another show.

Add in the fact that everyone who was at the show, from the band to those who attended, agrees that it was special, and I'm inclined to believe them. When you consider how the Duane shows we DO have are, and the fact that the band is convinced that 6/26/71 was better than all of them, I think it's possible that this show was the exception to the rule.

However, I do agree with Marley that the one thing I'll have to hear to believe is a 45 minute One Way Out

Now a 45 minute You Don't Love Me, a song that is somewhat similar to One Way Out, that seems possible. We have versions over 25 minutes.

 
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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 07:21 PM
The marathon shows are myth. Their set list rarely varied much at all. So then we are to believe that a whole bunch of other songs were played a handful of times over the years and yet they do not crack even one recorded show. Or the handful of regular shows played at that time were all half an hour.

Again the acid/shrooms were very good.

[Edited on 8/27/2014 by CanadianMule]

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 08:30 PM
There are exceptions - in late 1971, the ABB played at Marietta College. I spoke with an older alum who attended that show and he mentioned the band played its typical repertoire and then brought Luther Allison to the stage for 30-40 minutes of a blues based jam. Unfortunately no tapes were rolling that night either.
 
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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 08:49 PM
CanadianMule, your whole premise is that 6/26/71 was an ordinary ABB show and should be considered in that context.

I believe that premise is flawed. Even if the Allman Brothers Band didn't play 4 hours every night, it is far from unreasonable to suggest that such a special occasion might be an exception to the norm. "Their setlist rarely varied much at all" doesn't mean it didn't vary at this particular show. In fact, part of the whole legend of this show was that it was different from any other ABB show.

It's also amusing to suggest that this was the only time the band and/or audience at an early Allman Brothers show was intoxicated. I'm sure there were quite a few people on acid and shrooms at the March 71 Fillmore East shows too, but people who were at both would tell you 6/26/71 was better. We are comparing apples to apples here.

Of course, if you would rather call thousands of people liars than consider the possibility that this show was special, be my guest.

 
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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 09:10 PM
3/20/71 Wharehouse, show - tapes exist, many of us have the show. It was about 3 hours
WP was 40 min, Mtn Jam was 45 minutes

I can't find it, but there was a post about a year ago from someone who was there

The intro to the 6/27 show, Bill Graham mentions that the Brothers got on stage at about 2 or 3 and played until 6 or 7.
It happened


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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 09:28 PM
Well, we could always ask Rowland, as I believe that he was there.

If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat. So, if I'm remembering correctly, by the time you clear everyone out, search, let everyone back in, that takes some time.

The database lists songs with a mention of a 2 hour Mountain Jam. Possible? Yes. After all, due to the kindness of Johnny & Ann Sandlin, a 54 minute version from 1970 circulates. We know that only several months earlier, in Gatlinburg, the band was experimenting with a version of My Favorite Things (a la Coltrane). That would be another possibility for a v-e-r-y long jam (or, maybe even become an element of a 2 hour Mountain Jam).

Could they have played a total of maybe 3 1/2 to 4 hours on stage that night? Sure.

Audience recordings of the show? Unlikely. In its entirety? Not a chance. The technology of that time (a cassette deck & handheld mic) that almost always used multiple D cell batteries and gobbled them dry quickly, do you suppose anyone had the foresight to carry six to eight or more D cell batteries with them, knowing what a typical ABB show ran as opposed to what happened that evening? Come on.

The band has repeatedly said no soundboard recordings were made that night. That, was the only possibility that our ears would ever hear what those lucky, lucky folks did that night.

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 09:31 PM
The floundering of ABB as they lurch to their finale(sic) this fall has its predecent in the Fillmore appearances of '71. No communication about horn players the first night of three specifically designated for live release is execreble enough--kudos to Dowd quashing that ill-conceived experiment--but to not record all the shows of the closing of Fillmore East is a shame and a sin that puts a pox on the Allmans (and to an extent Wolfgang himself). Who's betting the 6/26 tapes appear in 3-4 years for another edition of ABB AFE?...and can't help but say the inclusion of 6/27 with Graham's intro is nice but doesn't make up for some of the bum notes I hear during the show or lessen my cynicism about why those few moments were not on the 2nd disc of EAP Deluxe?: not enough running time on the cd? Maybe if some of the slavish adoration of this band were replaced with some healthy detachment the group would feel more beholden to higher standards (can you say 'Moogis" ABB DVD 40?
 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 10:45 PM
Didn't imply or suggest that it was the only night where the acid was good. There are rumours/legends of all sorts of these supposed super long shows and yet none exist on tape. Combination awe, joy, musical excitement and the right mix of drugs and alcohol a can create all sorts of myths.

I have joked over the years that this show gets longer all the time. It has been described anywhere from two hours to six hours. It has been said by some there that they came on at 4ish and played till sunrise. This is a believable number.

I am not suggesting that it wasn't a special evening or show. Time and legend just tends to stretch the truth a bit. Such as the tale that everyone left without making a sound.

When this or any other 4+ hour shows appear, I want a copy like everyone else. Will sit and listen with Santa and the Easter Bunny.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 10:52 PM
Not calling anyone a liar either, nor have thousands told the tale. In fact more people who were not there seem to tell the story based on things they read or heard. I have talked to some who were there and others posting here and at best the memories are sketchy.

Similar to how everyone at Woodstock saw Hendrix and yet evidence shows that the vast majority were gone.

 

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  posted on 8/26/2014 at 10:56 PM
I always figured they would play some rarer tunes that weren't standards every show. Revival, DWYNM/cross to bear, dreams, every hungry women, even, dimples, outskirts of town etc is how they "played all nite". Add in the standard list of the time with statesboro, done somebody wrong, dkmw, and one way out, stormy monday. Of course liz reed, whipping post, YDLM, and a long mtn jam could fill 2 hours or more.
 

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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 08:14 AM
Bill Graham was notorious for making audio and sometimes video tapes of the shows he promoted so it seems odd he would not have taped at least part of the show from the 26th. That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?
 

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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 09:15 AM
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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 09:59 AM
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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.

 

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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 11:11 AM
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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.



Thanks for sharing dzobo, that is a real loss for us fans. The Brothers played the Fillmore's more than 25 times according to the concert database here so did he mention if he came upon any other unreleased Duane Era shows from those venues? or any other Duane era shows from any venue?

 

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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 02:56 PM
I don't believe that were any "new" finds. However, he did work on an archive release from 1/71 Fillmore West that was eventually vetoed by one of the band members. Good recordings from that run do circulate.

 

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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Not figures of speech, just a quote from an interview that gets repeated till some believe its fact. Same thing with the "play all night" shows which continue to grow.

No chance that they played songs that never showed in set lists before or after the closing. The only way would be something like a two hour Mtn Jam and if they played that for two hours then the drugs were indeed good that night. Maybe someone was high and forgot to press record.

Funny how magical and hard to believe moments are rarely caught on tape. Gives those moments the ability to become anything that could be imagined.

 

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If I recall correctly, I think this is one of several Brothers shows that was interrupted by a bomb threat.

I think that was the late show March 13, the end of the At Fillmore East run. I can believe it was a four or five hour show, keeping in mind that that's an estimate and that comments like 'nobody said a word when it ended' are figures of speech.


Not figures of speech, just a quote from an interview that gets repeated till some believe its fact. Same thing with the "play all night" shows which continue to grow.

No chance that they played songs that never showed in set lists before or after the closing. The only way would be something like a two hour Mtn Jam and if they played that for two hours then the drugs were indeed good that night. Maybe someone was high and forgot to press record.

Funny how magical and hard to believe moments are rarely caught on tape. Gives those moments the ability to become anything that could be imagined.


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  posted on 8/27/2014 at 03:42 PM
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That is not to say the tape still exists but if it does I wonder if it is buried in Wolfgang's Vault?

I talked with Kirk West about this some time ago. He was given complete access to the Graham music archives during a band project and his extensive search could not uncover anything.



Thanks for sharing dzobo, that is a real loss for us fans. The Brothers played the Fillmore's more than 25 times according to the concert database here so did he mention if he came upon any other unreleased Duane Era shows from those venues? or any other Duane era shows from any venue?


When Wolfgangs Vault first appeared, I emailed them numerous times concerning this show. I was always told that there was no tape with that date on it. Did they check or just brush me off?
When Kirk said he searched for it, I felt that they were being honest with me.

 

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