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  posted on 2/25/2004 at 11:32 PM
Just got back. People will be talking about this one for a long time. I don't really have a long review or anything . . . yet. I'll probably need a few days to digest it all.

The level of brutality was staggering . . . people in the audience were crying out during certain scenes.

 

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  posted on 2/25/2004 at 11:38 PM
Whenever you're ready to answer, I would love to hear your thoughts.

I can't wait to see it. I can't imagine a movie more important than this, and I hope it wakes lots of people up to what Jesus did.

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 02:24 AM
I haven't seen it yet. maybe tommorrow after yoga.

I saw some coverage of some reactions. One young
black woman said it moved her to want to Love more.

If if moves folks like that I think Mel succeeded.

One woman had a heart attack during the Crucification
brutality.

I'm sure he never intented that.

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 06:42 AM
Saw it last night and all I can say is WOW! There were times when I found it hard to breathe, and times where it was all I could do to keep from throwing myself in the aisle and sobbing out "I'm so sorry!". Watching Jesus submit to the humiliation, degradation, and torture he endured so that I might be able to truly live, and do so abundantly, in a relationship with God was incredibly humbling, to say the least. "Greater love has no man than this, that he lay down his life for his brothers" . I only thought I knew what that meant. Not have it taken from you, not lose it in battle "fighting the good fight", but laying it down, voluntarily, out of love. I walked away from the experience of Jesus' sacrifice embarrassed by my selfish life and desiring to be more like Jesus - loving others enough to die for them no matter what they might do to me. How hard is that? It only requires total trust and surrender of one's self to God. Wish me luck! I'm sure I'll need all the help I can get.

PS - This is not suitable for children!

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 08:43 AM
I have little doubt that it is a well done film and I cannot wait to see it. Nonetheless, I find it a little strange that people are reacting so strongly to it. It is just a film; Gibson's interpretation of some holy texts which are hardly accurate and perpetually open to interpretation. I think it fine for people to have a strong faith, but should it come from a movie?
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 08:51 AM
"I think it fine for people to have a strong faith, but should it come from a movie?"

Seems pretty silly, eh? But....... if it is the only faith they can find these days....... how is that bad? I don't see people lining up in the Bible isle at the bookstores, nor talking it like this.....

I'm a lapsed Catholic and I am very interested in seeing this.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 09:13 AM
But....... if it is the only faith they can find these days....... how is that bad?

Not so much bad as it is strange. They are putting a lot of faith, no pun intended, in Mel's personal interpretation of events that even his own church reformed in the 1960s. It is like watching a war movie and thinking that it is totally accurate when indeed the director has inevitably added his or her own spin to it.

Faith is an ethical option that comes from the heart, not Hollywood.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 09:15 AM
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The level of brutality was staggering . . .


I understand that the violence and blood in this movie is off the charts. I just find it a bit odd that people/churches have no problem with that level of violence with this film. If it was any other movie with that much blood and gore, would people/churches be giving it a free pass? Seems kind of like a double standard to me. Certainly no offense to anyone, as I want to see the film as well, but I just find it funny that no one from the church is really crying out about the film's brutality and violence....

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 09:22 AM
I would think, Mr Sandman, that churches would want people to realize just how brutal a scourging and crucifiction was as it makes the sacrifice all the more profound. Of course, I do not speak for them.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 09:48 AM
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"I think it fine for people to have a strong faith, but should it come from a movie?"

Seems pretty silly, eh? But....... if it is the only faith they can find these days....... how is that bad? I don't see people lining up in the Bible isle at the bookstores, nor talking it like this.....

I'm a lapsed Catholic and I am very interested in seeing this.


I agree Bird, good point.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 10:03 AM
I haven't seen the movie yet so I can't comment...But I have read quite a few articles in newspapers and magazines saying that Mel Gibsons career will now take a big hit from this in terms of popularity and that some industry folks won't ever work with him again. I don't agree with that at all! Since when did anything this controversial ever hurt anyone in Hollwood! Its ALWAYS about making a buck - thats what Hollywood is about. There is a BIG buzz that this movie is creating from both sides of the fence and this movie will make tons of money at the box office and maybe even bigger amounts when it comes out on video. Might hurt his career?... I don't think so!

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 10:13 AM
Yea I doubt it will hurt his career at all. I do not think he set out to make a lot of money on the film, but he is going to in any case. I would hope that it would finally settle this nonsense about the Jews killing Christ, but that remains yet to be seen.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 10:24 AM
Well, I'm still putting my thoughts together, if I get some free time this afternoon I will probably post something very long.

Here are a couple of nuggets for discussion in the meantime. There are two verses that you hear periodically (and no, I don't know where they are) that are relevant here.

One is, "if I be lifted up, I will draw all men unto me." The other is, "he who wins souls is wise."

The first means that if the Gospel is preached, broadcast, spread, presented in any kind of way, God will do the work (of revealing himself further to the disciple). It is the responsibility of teachers, preachers, prophets, apostles and evangelists to spread the message. I am sure that Mel Gibson considers this a work of evangelism.

The second quote is frequently interpreted to mean that the form the message can take is not important,(assuming the Gospel is pure - e.g., not portraying Jesus fantasizing about Mary Magdalene). Traditional religions will often not search out new and creative ways to spread the gospel, but many churches that stand on the tenet that "it's not about religion, it's about relationship" will - sponsoring and/or endorsing music based on contemporary styles, (r&b, rock and roll, and rap, for instance), television dramas, children's cartoons, comic books, novels, and now, a mainstream movie.

The principle is that if one comes to know God, and accepts Jesus as his or her personal savior, the means by which they received their introduction to the Gospel is valid - whether that be listening to a sermon, or passing by a Christian rap concert in the park, or going to the movies. If you've won a soul, you were wise in your choice of methods.

Will this movie launch a revival? We'll see.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 10:35 AM
I am sure that Mel Gibson considers this a work of evangelism.

Without a doubt. A labor of love at the very least. Nonetheless, it remains one of many, many interpretations from his unique perspective. Just as folks should not get their history from movies, not should they get their spirituality. If it spurs debate or further interest in the subject resulting in personal explorations, that is certainly fine.

The Gospels were probably written some time after the death of Jesus by 4 men who were probably not the Apostles. They have also been translated from many ancient and now archaic languages. So the bottom line is nobody knows the complete truth. If Gibson thinks so, he is deluding himself and others.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 10:43 AM
We were always taught that Christ offered himself up as a sacrifice for ALL of our sins. By extension the answer to the burning media question "who killed christ?" is that we all did by our sinful nature. I'm not preaching here by any means and I hope that Gibson's intentions and the results are both honorable. Crucifixtion was a brutal horrible way to die, the body literally collapses on itself and the victim suffocates. I haven't seen the film yet but I intend to and have no intentions of judging anyone elses recation to the film. The beauty of any kind of faith is that its between you and your god, whether all powerful, knowing andf loving or cosmic muffin. Ultimately we answer for our behavior in one form or another....Karma, neh?
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 11:23 AM
Appears I may need to clarify my previous post. I have been a born again Christian for the last 30 years, and rededicated my life to Christ about 8 years ago. I did not get my religion or spirituality from this movie. However, the movie brought home to me the enormous price Jesus willingly and voluntarily payed so that I might be able to have a personal relationship with God. It also brought home to me what love really is, and how far I have to go in practicing that kind of love in my relationships with others, no matter how they may feel or act towards me.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 11:42 AM
Sounds reasonable DougM, but I did not necessarily mean you or anyone else here. I guess to those of us who have left the church, it appears a bit strange to see people crying in a theater but I guess films can be a powerful medium.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 12:10 PM
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We were always taught that Christ offered himself up as a sacrifice for ALL of our sins. By extension the answer to the burning media question "who killed christ?" is that we all did by our sinful nature. I'm not preaching here by any means and I hope that Gibson's intentions and the results are both honorable. Crucifixtion was a brutal horrible way to die, the body literally collapses on itself and the victim suffocates. I haven't seen the film yet but I intend to and have no intentions of judging anyone elses recation to the film. The beauty of any kind of faith is that its between you and your god, whether all powerful, knowing andf loving or cosmic muffin. Ultimately we answer for our behavior in one form or another....Karma, neh?




"Jesus paid it all, All to him I owe, Sin has left a Crimson stain, he washed it white as snow."

Not all are forgiven, only those that ask for it.

Its real simple to do all you have to do is ask Jesus to come into your heart, and then live like he is truly there.

If I live by the rule, what goes around comes around, that leaves all the negativity floating around. It is so much better to have faith in the God, and know that he has a purpose for your life.

Faith is not easy, it is a matter of taking something you can't really see, smell, taste, touch or usually hear and believing it with all your heart.



As far as who killed Jesus, it was definately the Jews, Jesus himself was of Jewish decent(on his mothers side)

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 12:14 PM
As far as who killed Jesus, it was definately the Jews, Jesus himself was of Jewish decent(on his mothers side)

I guess all those Romans were just taking in a day at the races.

 

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As far as who killed Jesus, it was definately the Jews, Jesus himself was of Jewish decent(on his mothers side)

I guess all those Romans were just taking in a day at the races.


If that is all you took from my post Knownrider...Droogie and I, and maybe JoJo will pray for you.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 12:39 PM
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The beauty of any kind of faith is that its between you and your god, whether all powerful, knowing andf loving or cosmic muffin. Ultimately we answer for our behavior in one form or another....Karma, neh?


bluedrummer, I agree with that statement today. 30 years ago I would have been appalled at someone not believing in 1 supreme God. I respect all faiths.


I grew up southern Baptist, back in a time when we had "preachers"...If you've ever heard one of these men preach they could get graphic. They preached hell fire, brimstone and damnation, they preached from the Holy Bible and were always very graphic with the crucifixation of Jesus Christ as well.

I want to see the film too. I'd prefer to comment on it after seeing it. If a film can make such a profound impact on people by depicting the death of such a kind and loving man as Jesus has been described, then maybe it will put some love, compassion, empathy and forgiveness back into mankind today.

My question is not "who" killed Jesus....but "why".......

This can be a very interesting and enlightening topic if we keep it kind. Some great posts thus far!

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 12:50 PM
I was wondering if a thread on this movie would get started...

Haven't seen the movie yet, but read several reviews...almost ALL of which were highly critical, gave the movie 1 1/2 stars, etc. etc. I wonder how much of that is due to critics being biased against Gibson BEFORE they even watched the movie? Based on what the average viewer of the movie had to say, it was moving, emotional, etc., anyway there sure seemed to be a big difference in critics' views and the audience's views. Critics never impressed me anyway, you know, those who can't produce, criticize.

Gibson's political views and the fact that this movie is not going to be popular in the Jewish community sure won't help what Hollywood thinks of it, given that the motion picture industry has a large Jewish content. I'm not saying that to criticize, just that it's an obvious point. I'll bet it won't get many - if any - Oscar nominations. Came out at the wrong time for that anyway.

But I think it's great that there is a movie out that is not aimed at those with IQ's in the teens, like so much of the garbage that is released nowadays.

It sure will get people thinking and talking, and I guess that is good.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 12:52 PM
If that is all you took from my post Knownrider...Droogie and I, and maybe JoJo will pray for you

Just kidding around. But feel free to pray for me. I need it.

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 01:23 PM
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My question is not "who" killed Jesus....but "why".......

This can be a very interesting and enlightening topic if we keep it kind. Some great posts thus far!


Why?

For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that whoever believes in him can receive eternal life. John 3:16

 

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  posted on 2/26/2004 at 01:31 PM
RUN AWAY!!! RUN AWAY!!!

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