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  posted on 4/25/2014 at 12:23 PM
Rolling Stone, 4-24-14, issue 1207. The interview, by David Fricke, is not on their website, at least not yet, but it's really good. He also talks a lot about Jerry in it. I could write and write, but I'll just quote the LSD comments because I thought they were interesting.

FYI I have never done LSD. Reasons: 1. I come from a very conservative upbringing where academics were very strongly emphasized. 2. My first part-time job when I was 16 was at a drive-thru dairy/liquor store which was located at Rancho Simi Park in Simi Valley where we lived. There were guys who would hang out next to the store on park benches, not doing anything but staring into space. I tried to talk to them once, and they were SO zoned they couldn't even respond. That scared me in regards to doing any drugs other than marijuana.

RS: What did LSD do for you?

Lesh: "It confirmed my suspicions that there is more to life than meets the eye. There is more to the world than you can touch or analyze scientifically. It proved to me there was a spiritual realm."

RS: When did you stop taking it and why?

Lesh: "It's hard to do that and live in the world. What you have to do is visit that realm, then bring back what you can and apply it to your life. Owsley [Stanley, LSD chemist and the Dead's early sound man] would yell at me for saying this, but after a while, it seemed I didn't have the time to properly prepare and process that experience.

It was never a party thing for us. It was a sacrament, and it helped us learn about the music -- how to open up, lose the ego, lose the showbiz. When you hit the first note, the music is infinite. You narrow it down as you go. But you can make a change -- one note in a scale -- and the possibilities open up again."

My only regret regarding this interview is that Fricke never asked Phil why the members of the Dead thought it necessary to dose anyone and everyone they came in contact with. Not a subject that a reporter would have the nerve to broach, I suspect, if they wanted to continue talking to Phil.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2014 at 12:52 PM
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FYI I have never done LSD.




sorry to hear that.........

 

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  posted on 4/25/2014 at 01:11 PM
this was pretty good too, interview with Bob Weir.

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/8-things-we-learned-from-the-tribec a-film-festivals-bob-weir-doc-20140423

Bobby on Deadheads

In the film, Weir expresses ambivalence about the fans who followed the band around: “If it rings those lofty bells for them, what’s wrong with that?” he says. “At the same time, if it takes your life down, that’s another story…if you’re a kid and you want to spend a summer on the road, that’s one thing. If you’re selling drugs, I have limited sympathy.” For Fleiss, who attended over 200 shows himself, those comments came as a revelation. “There was an assumption that if you had seen 250 or 300 shows and never missed a show in three years, that was a badge of honor,” he says. “But the band saw that as a slippery slope and not necessarily a good thing. Bob talked about that. That was fascinating to me.”

 

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FYI I have never done LSD.




sorry to hear that.........



Well if you think you're the first one to say that to me, you're quite naïve. No regrets here, especially knowing that some have never come back and been the same, after doing acid only a few times. Anytime you ingest something which was made by an unlicensed chemist in their garage, you are taking a huge chance with their quality control and therefore a huge chance with your brain. As I said: No regrets here. Retaining all my faculties is quite important to me.

[Edited on 4/25/2014 by robslob]

 

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Well if you think you're the first one to say that to me, you're quite naïve.




never said i was the first to say that to ya.....


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especially knowing that some have never come back and been the same, after doing acid only a few times




ahhhhhh.....the same can be said about people who use legal and professionally made drugs----like alcohol........



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Anytime you ingest something which was made by an unlicensed chemist in their garage, you are taking a huge chance with their quality control and therefore a huge chance with your brain.




makes the case for legalization of drugs......that way we can know the quality.......

 

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Rolling Stone, 4-24-14, issue 1207. The interview, by David Fricke, is not on their website, at least not yet, but it's really good. He also talks a lot about Jerry in it. I could write and write, but I'll just quote the LSD comments because I thought they were interesting.

FYI I have never done LSD. Reasons: 1. I come from a very conservative upbringing where academics were very strongly emphasized. 2. My first part-time job when I was 16 was at a drive-thru dairy/liquor store which was located at Rancho Simi Park in Simi Valley where we lived. There were guys who would hang out next to the store on park benches, not doing anything but staring into space. I tried to talk to them once, and they were SO zoned they couldn't even respond. That scared me in regards to doing any drugs other than marijuana.

RS: What did LSD do for you?

Lesh: "It confirmed my suspicions that there is more to life than meets the eye. There is more to the world than you can touch or analyze scientifically. It proved to me there was a spiritual realm."

RS: When did you stop taking it and why?

Lesh: "It's hard to do that and live in the world. What you have to do is visit that realm, then bring back what you can and apply it to your life. Owsley [Stanley, LSD chemist and the Dead's early sound man] would yell at me for saying this, but after a while, it seemed I didn't have the time to properly prepare and process that experience.

It was never a party thing for us. It was a sacrament, and it helped us learn about the music -- how to open up, lose the ego, lose the showbiz. When you hit the first note, the music is infinite. You narrow it down as you go. But you can make a change -- one note in a scale -- and the possibilities open up again."

My only regret regarding this interview is that Fricke never asked Phil why the members of the Dead thought it necessary to dose anyone and everyone they came in contact with. Not a subject that a reporter would have the nerve to broach, I suspect, if they wanted to continue talking to Phil.


From what I've read, it wasn't so much the Dead themselves that were into dosing the unsuspected, it was more the Prankster element and the LSD zealotry of Owsley that led to this. The scene around the musicians themselves was so chaotic and anarchistic that much of what went on was WAY out of their hands.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2014 at 05:12 PM
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My only regret regarding this interview is that Fricke never asked Phil why the members of the Dead thought it necessary to dose anyone and everyone they came in contact with. Not a subject that a reporter would have the nerve to broach, I suspect, if they wanted to continue talking to Phil.


the dosing was often done by Owsley and the crew. I'm not sure (maybe someone is) if the band itself was involved

 

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Re LSD and choosing to do it or not:

LSD is not marijuana and the effects are not similar. There are people who just aren't set up or prepared to receive or experience its effects. If someone chooses to not experiment with it, I for one completely honor and respect that decision.

The Grateful Dead and their "pranksterism" - I've always thought of this to have been totally irresponsible behavior on their part. I actually got pranked like this years after I had decided to not experiment with the chemical. Fortunately for me, I was aware of the effects and was able to get through it. It did present a few major inconveniences for me. An LSD venture is something (in my opinion) needs to be planned out. It can incapacitate you for several days.

I've read where Mickey Hart bragged about dosing a horse. If this sounds funny, this was cruelty to animals on a large scale.

Dosing an unsuspecting person with acid is just not a great idea.

 

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Dosing an unsuspecting person with acid is just not a great idea.


Agreed 100% and I've always felt it was a slimy and disgusting facet of Grateful Dead lore, no matter who was doing the dosing, the band, Owsley road crew, et al. Chuck Leavell said in his book that he was dosed at a gig ABB did with the Dead. He was sure to watch all his drinks but found out later that the water being sprayed on him at the outdoor gig was laced.

It's nice to know it may not have been the band doing it though.


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The dosing thing is crazy... addressed in my book, via Weir and others.. Weir disliked it very much, as well...

 

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Dosing an unsuspecting person with acid is just not a great idea.


Agreed 100% and I've always felt it was a slimy and disgusting facet of Grateful Dead lore, no matter was doing the dosing, the band, Owsley road crew, et al. Chuck Leavell said in his book that he was dosed at a gig ABB did with the Dead. He was sure to watch all his drinks but found out later that the water being sprayed on him at the outdoor gig was laced.

It's nice to know it may not have been the band doing it though.




I agree with your post completely but I do feel the any band or business is responsible for their employees behavior. The guilty should have been suspended or fired for dosing anyone with LSD.


I have nothing against an individual making a choice to experiment with drugs and, only hope it doesn't become a problem for them. I'm also happy that we legalized weed in my state (Washington). However many people have no tolerance for drugs and I'm one of them. One toke on a joint and I'm wrecked and I hate the feeling of paranoia and insecurity it gives me. I'm in my mid 50's and have never had a tolerance for any type of illegal drug and a lot of the legal ones. I have never understood why weed impacts me like it does. I drank beer like a fish during college and for about 6 years after that and had a terrific tolerance for it until hangovers put an end to my abuse of alcohol.



I can't imagine sneaking any drug into someone's drink and, although I'm not a violent person, plus being too old to fight, I would make an exception for someone that dosed me, my friends or a family member. They need a serious ass kicking!

By the way I wanted to smoke weed with all my friends when I was in college. I probably tried it 10 to 15 times before I figured out, I had no ability to function on it or enjoy the high. I can't imagine what LSD would have done to me.

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  posted on 4/25/2014 at 06:26 PM
Wise words from Mr. Lesh here....

Lesh: "It confirmed my suspicions that there is more to life than meets the eye. There is more to the world than you can touch or analyze scientifically. It proved to me there was a spiritual realm."

Just to be clear, I am definitely not saying LSD is the only way to this experience, but it certainly is one path.

And yes, dosing people without their knowledge is stupid. This is actually one of the things that caused a big rift between Timothy Leary and the Kesey/Prankster crew. Leary felt that the proper set and setting was necessary to get the full benefits of LSD, and being dosed by surprise when you weren't expecting it is not exactly the optimum conditions.

 
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LSD is not marijuana and the effects are not similar. There are people who just aren't set up or prepared to receive or experience its effects. If someone chooses to not experiment with it, I for one completely honor and respect that decision.

The Grateful Dead and their "pranksterism" - I've always thought of this to have been totally irresponsible behavior on their part. I actually got pranked like this years after I had decided to not experiment with the chemical. Fortunately for me, I was aware of the effects and was able to get through it. It did present a few major inconveniences for me. An LSD venture is something (in my opinion) needs to be planned out. It can incapacitate you for several days.

I've read where Mickey Hart bragged about dosing a horse. If this sounds funny, this was cruelty to animals on a large scale.

Dosing an unsuspecting person with acid is just not a great idea.


I fully concur.

Let's not forget the CIA are masters of dosing unsuspecting people.

 

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btw, whether the dosing was done by members of the band or not, I agree that it should not be condoned.
I personally don't care if someone wants to take drugs or not, as long as you don't bother me or anyone else while doing it - whatever your substance of choice is

 

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The CIA does not dose people, as the people were willing volunteers and signed up for studies to take drugs.


You are ill informed. I recommend reading, "Storming Heaven: LSD and the American Dream" by Jay Stevens.

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Pigpen took it before concerts or daily at times even when not performing for years, and yeah it was a "party thing" to the GD, the people who worked for them, and the losers that would do nothing but follow them constantly for years and decades.


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Certainly the G Dead crew who were dosing others, were not the only ones, at the time? At like shows and concerts.

Maybe on a mass scale, at these shows like documented in A Paul's book, but ...

All around, in more personal settings, people were certainly doing acid.

Hard to generalize about all that, from what we read.

 

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  posted on 4/26/2014 at 07:37 AM
Not that it really matters but I think I'm missing something here. First he says he never did LSD. Then he is asked when did he stop taking it?
 

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  posted on 4/26/2014 at 08:21 AM
Robslob never took LSD. Phil did.

 

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interesting what Phil says about the acid being sacremental & the rift between Leary & Keseys clan.There's a great live interview from a Late night host (about 20 yrs back) with Kesey,Leary & the Dead.Its interesting to hear their perspective on it and how it cost them as well.
 

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Not that it really matters but I think I'm missing something here. First he says he never did LSD. Then he is asked when did he stop taking it?


BillyBlastoff got it right. I was speaking for myself as having never taken acid. The interview starts after that, with "RS: What did LSD do for you?"

 

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  posted on 4/26/2014 at 01:14 PM
LSD gives people who have never experienced other dimensionalities a glimpse into other planes of existence that without LSD are usually only seen by the trained or experienced, or the blessed. Pretty much as Phil alluded to.

 

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  posted on 4/26/2014 at 03:23 PM
the CIA dosed plenty of military personel without consent
 
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Under the proper conditions and with the correct attitude, personality and mentality (I believe that) LSD can indeed be a mind-expanding and perspective broadening experience. Please read every word of what I just wrote carefully. This does not/will not work with or for every human being. Giving it to someone without their knowledge is just plain stupid and can result in some horrific results.

I have personally known two people who "didn't make it all the way back". One actually ran out into traffic (didn't die, but never the same physically or mentally), the other was just never able to readjust. Both were individuals who were not in the proper environment, not with the right people and who did not have the proper mentality to begin with.

 

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