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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 02:40 PM
Singing signature Gregg Allman songs such as Come and Go Blues and Ain't Wastin Time is a stretch and, in my opinion, a bit disrespectful. Karaoke on the West Side.
Assuming this will satisfy those who came to hear Gregg do these songs is absurd and insulting.
If the run is going to continue without him, which it should not, than acknowledge his absence each nite to every new audience (his name was never mentioned last nite), and draw from material not centered around his memorable vocals.
That's a more honest approach.

It ain't the Allmans without Allman.



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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 02:56 PM
The 1st thread saying the exact same thing was not enough? One is certainly entitled to your opinion but starting the same thread twice is a little troll like.
 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 05:17 PM
I am OK with you being insulted.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 05:23 PM
To say that Gregg's presence was missed - by many, would be a gigantic understatement.

You could take a favorite southern recipe - pecan pie, and substitute walnuts or even cashews for the name-sake ingredient and end up with a mighty tasty confection. I think it's fair to say that Kofi and Rob over-compensated for Gregg on the keys. Kofi's flute just took "Dreams" to a new place. It was magic.

It is the opinion of many that Gregg's major contribution is his gift as a vocalist. In this department, he is rightfully and deservedly regarded as one of the finest in music history. Warren's bluesy growl, and Junior Mack's ... silkiness - if they didn't compensate for the absence of Gregg, certainly provided something unique to the mix.

That some fans would feel disappointed and even slighted is a fact that must be understood. I talked to several fans before entering the venue who had not heard of Gregg's illness. They stopped short of accusing me of being a liar when I told them the news. There were more fans already inside who had also not heard of Gregg's absence. Perhaps the band and the venue should have been more preemptive with an announcement. I don't know.

Pecan pie or walnut tart - I was happy with the show that I saw.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 05:26 PM
Actually, I saw the Almost Brothers Band, and damn glad I had the chance to!

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 05:50 PM
Using this sort of logic, the band should have been called The Allman Band about 40 something years ago, then at one time called The Toler Brothers Band, and currently should be The Trucks Family Band. For the people that want to hear Midnight Rider, Melissa, and the occasional, becoming traditional slip up, I guess they have the right to be upset. I also recommend they go see Skynyrd at their next upcoming state fair.
Musically, however, the last 2 nights have been extraordinary. From an organ and pianio standpoint, these 2 shows have actually had better musicianship. I think we all missed Gregg's vocals, but to call what Jr. Mack did on 'Ain't Wastin Time No More' insulting to Gregg or a fan of good real music is ridiculous. And frankly, as of this writing, March 23, 2014; Jimmy Hall is in better singing shape than Gregory Allman (historically, this obviously may not be the case). Jimmy is a phenomenal talent and I think Gregg would be really delighted to know Jimmy was showcased to a bigger audience through the Allman Brothers Bands name. If you want a refund because a bandmember wasn't there, go see the Gregg Allman Band next time they come through. If you were there and want to negate and discard unbelievably incredible musicianship like this, go be a Phish fan.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 06:19 PM

One man's ceiling is another man's floor.

Wish I was there last night.

Hope Gregg gets better soon.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 06:46 PM
Total crap. Actually, a couple of years ago when Gregg sat out the last show, it was damn near the best concert of that run and the one I listen to the most. I love Gregg as much as anyone, and even though the core of the band was formed before he even entered the picture, his voice and songs are a big part of the ABB legacy. At the same time, I'm old enough to have seen Gregg sh*t in the butter churn many times over when it comes to the ABB brand over the years.

To me, Derek and Warren are playing great this Beacon, but I get the feeling that they are tired of it and ready to get out from under it. When Derek goes to that special place onstage, he has a certain look on his face and has his eyes closed.....and from the video I've seen, I have yet to see that. It could have happened and just not yet caught on video, I don't know. (actually, I think the 3/14/14 show may be the most under-rated as that is when it seems to me that the band, specifically Warren and Derek, actually relaxed and let some flow go while onstage). Last night, they did what they had to do, and I'm guessing that, if anything, the circumstances which were not in their control, woke them up and caused them to improvise on a macro and personal level and they created what all say was a great show. Good for them.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 08:04 PM
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If you were there and want to negate and discard unbelievably incredible musicianship like this, go be a Phish fan.


First, Gregg insults Phish fans, now this

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 08:28 PM
Love Gregg, but Friday was a damn good show without him.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 08:43 PM
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Using this sort of logic, the band should have been called The Allman Band about 40 something years ago, then at one time called The Toler Brothers Band, and currently should be The Trucks Family Band. For the people that want to hear Midnight Rider, Melissa, and the occasional, becoming traditional slip up, I guess they have the right to be upset. I also recommend they go see Skynyrd at their next upcoming state fair.
Musically, however, the last 2 nights have been extraordinary. From an organ and pianio standpoint, these 2 shows have actually had better musicianship. I think we all missed Gregg's vocals, but to call what Jr. Mack did on 'Ain't Wastin Time No More' insulting to Gregg or a fan of good real music is ridiculous. And frankly, as of this writing, March 23, 2014; Jimmy Hall is in better singing shape than Gregory Allman (historically, this obviously may not be the case). Jimmy is a phenomenal talent and I think Gregg would be really delighted to know Jimmy was showcased to a bigger audience through the Allman Brothers Bands name. If you want a refund because a bandmember wasn't there, go see the Gregg Allman Band next time they come through. If you were there and want to negate and discard unbelievably incredible musicianship like this, go be a Phish fan.


I love this post. This is kinda what I was waiting for someone to say, because although I wasn't there, I could only envision this show being really incredible. Thanks for verifying that.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 09:10 PM
The original post is kind of lashing out in anger, but I understand. There are some ABB fans who mainly go to hear Gregg sing, and to those folks, it just ain't the Allman Brothers Band without Gregg. I can respect that.

I would just ask Charlie to consider all the people who would have been equally disappointed if the shows were cancelled or postponed. For many of those people, they wouldn't have been able to go if the shows had been postponed to another time. Maybe they are more Derek and Warren fans who go to hear the guitar solos and would have been happy with a Gregg-less show. Why do they have to miss out?

It really is an unfortunate situation and there is no right answer that would make everyone happy.

 
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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 09:38 PM
I'm sorry Gregg is sick. I'm very glad I saw the shows on 3/18 and 3/19. I really wish I had seen that Dreams with Kofi on flute and you can bet I'm going to buy it.

In my opinion the show must go on and the rest of the band are doing the right thing.

God speed Gregg! Get well soon.

In the meantime I'd like some of that walnut tart... throw some ice cream on top, please.

 

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  posted on 3/23/2014 at 11:16 PM
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The original post is kind of lashing out in anger, but I understand. There are some ABB fans who mainly go to hear Gregg sing, and to those folks, it just ain't the Allman Brothers Band without Gregg. I can respect that.

I would just ask Charlie to consider all the people who would have been equally disappointed if the shows were cancelled or postponed. For many of those people, they wouldn't have been able to go if the shows had been postponed to another time. Maybe they are more Derek and Warren fans who go to hear the guitar solos and would have been happy with a Gregg-less show. Why do they have to miss out?

It really is an unfortunate situation and there is no right answer that would make everyone happy.


Well put Mr . Johnson. I remember Wanee a few years back when Gregg wasnt there. and we had two great nights of Allman music. I appreciate the disapointment , but pragmatically you cant cancel shows, I know for one as an out of towner, too much is involved air fare hotels time off etc etc... I am very happy I chose March 14th and 15th for my two adios shows............Get those CDS. Gregg was in great voice.........

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 06:54 AM
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Well put Mr . Johnson. I remember Wanee a few years back when Gregg wasnt there. and we had two great nights of Allman music. I appreciate the disapointment , but pragmatically you cant cancel shows, I know for one as an out of towner, too much is involved air fare hotels time off etc etc... I am very happy I chose March 14th and 15th for my two adios shows............Get those CDS. Gregg was in great voice.........


Wanee is a good comparison, as we got the Junior Mack/Jimmy Hall treatment, and believe me, that beat the hell out of no concert at all, but I doubt anyone remembers 2012 as a great year for Wanee. It was a huge clunker without him. In fact, it was downright depressing as we all thought we'd seen our last Allman show. But again, playing the date without him is the right thing to do. Still, it's not the same. It's not The Allman Brothers Band.

 
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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 07:25 AM
The "Allmam Brothers" Band as not been that since Duanes death many moons ago. With that said, the brothers or brotherhood of musicians that have been in and out of this band over the years is what makes it. The fact they can make a few calls to the network that they have and still put on a quality show is a miracle in own right. Think how many bands would just cancel and re-sked. The band and managment know that people are coming into NYC from all over and to that end the show does go on Gregg or not. Of course most would be disappointed in not seeing Gregg play, but downright furious if the shows were cancelled with all the money spent to get there.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 09:00 AM
Great points Ken.

Some bands can pull off missing someone while others just wouldn't fly. The Stones for instance had to cancel shows. Could not hit the stage Mickless.

Enjoy the shows. people keep talking about ABB touring but all those side projects are taking up much of the calendar. Will be limited at best and depending on Gregg's health maybe not at all.

If Gregg and Butch had missed on the same nights, could Dickey have played with the others?

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 09:02 AM
Charlie, as someone who I know has great appreciation for this band, I am surprised at your post.

I agree with the above posters who say the show should have gone on as it did, and I am sure I would have enjoyed the variety and change of pace the show provided.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 09:27 AM
i was at the Friday night show and it was definitely in the top quarter of the 40 plus Beacon shows i have attended. I love Gregg's voice but over the past several years he hardly jams on that organ or keyboard at all. To hear those instruments on friday being significant players in the jams was great. Reminded me of several year past.

The vocals were different but still fantastic. Bill Evans, Susan, O'teit's vocals on Franklints Tower were all darn good IMO. Friday show was fantastic and from posters have said about Saturday sounds like a similar experience.

I hope Gregg is well and returns for the remainder of the run, but i got my full money's worth on Friday night and went home very happy well after midnight.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 09:51 AM
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I love Gregg's voice but over the past several years he hardly jams on that organ or keyboard at all.

He really never has, or at least not since the '70s. With little variations he still plays his Fillmore East solo in Elizabeth Reed and his Eat a Peach solo in Les Brers, for example. I know Warren has talked about how he's encouraged Gregg to stretch out some more but it's just not what he does. Over the years I've come to enjoy his tone a lot, though.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 10:12 AM
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Total crap. Actually, a couple of years ago when Gregg sat out the last show, it was damn near the best concert of that run and the one I listen to the most. I love Gregg as much as anyone, and even though the core of the band was formed before he even entered the picture, his voice and songs are a big part of the ABB legacy. At the same time, I'm old enough to have seen Gregg sh*t in the butter churn many times over when it comes to the ABB brand over the years.

To me, Derek and Warren are playing great this Beacon, but I get the feeling that they are tired of it and ready to get out from under it. When Derek goes to that special place onstage, he has a certain look on his face and has his eyes closed.....and from the video I've seen, I have yet to see that. It could have happened and just not yet caught on video, I don't know. (actually, I think the 3/14/14 show may be the most under-rated as that is when it seems to me that the band, specifically Warren and Derek, actually relaxed and let some flow go while onstage). Last night, they did what they had to do, and I'm guessing that, if anything, the circumstances which were not in their control, woke them up and caused them to improvise on a macro and personal level and they created what all say was a great show. Good for them.


CharlieO - you hit a nerve. Scroll down the list of All Star responders; people who's opinions are respected and know what's up. Music is art, not everybody likes the same thing, thank goodness.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 10:12 AM
You are probably correct Marley, i guess it was a welcome addition to hear those instruments play such a large role for the entire show on Friday.
 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 10:28 AM
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You are probably correct Marley, i guess it was a welcome addition to hear those instruments play such a large role for the entire show on Friday.

I'm sure it was. I've never been to a Gregg-less show or heard one in full, but I love it when Kofi or Rob sit in.

 

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 10:30 AM
some of these posts saying it was one of the best shows ever just ring hollow, its like over compensating for the fact Gregg wasnt there. You were sold a Mercedes and they delivered a Hyundai but its all good for some, still gets you from point a to b, others should have had the oppurtunity to turn in their tickets at the box office window and get a credit and they could have resold them to others who wanted to see an "Experience the Allmans Music" nite.

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  posted on 3/24/2014 at 10:39 AM
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some of these posts saying it was one of the best shows ever just ring hollow, its like over compensating for the fact Gregg wasnt there. You were sold a Mercedes and they delivered a Hyundai but its all good for some, still gets you from point a to b, others should have had the oppurtunity to turn in their tickets at the box office window and get a credit and they could have resold them to others who wanted to see an "Experience the Allmans Music" nite.

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A Hyundai??? Are you freakin' kidding me? This was more like as deluxe a version of a Lexus as they make with a gold-plated body, chrome wheels, surround-sound stereo, leather seats and a built-in flight attendant that serves your every need! I've seen close to 100 ABB shows and this one ranks way up near the top.

As stated by myself and echoed by others - there were some fans who missed Gregg's presence. But in the realm of music and art - I can't see how Gregg's presence would or could have improved on this performance. Please keep in mind that I WAS THERE - I'm not echoing any third-party support for the band sans Gregg Allman. We're not talking about TenYears After without Alvin Lee, Foghat without Lonesome Dave or the 'Stones minus Mick. This was a tight ensemble playing the type of music (free-range blues/jazz/jam staying close to the original course) that most fans of the band love to hear.

And you're absolutely correct - anybody who wants a refund should probably be given a refund - BEFORE the show starts. I can guarantee you that all who stayed for the performance left with a smile on their face.

 

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