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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 09:40 PM
On page 168 of 'One Way Out' Dickey states that the lick from LEs Brers came from a solo he did in Whipping Post one night.

Anyone have any idea which show?

 
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  posted on 3/15/2014 at 09:48 PM
You can definitely hear it on the Fillmore East version of Whipping Post!

 

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  posted on 3/16/2014 at 07:00 AM
Yeah. It's during Dickey's solo where the song breaks down.

 

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  posted on 3/16/2014 at 09:58 AM
I was always intrigued by this. After Eat A Peach came I out I noticed the similarity (not right away of course). I have listened carefully to every Archive release and every audience recording I have of Whipping Post, and that is the only version I hear it in. I would love for the band to play Les Brers in the middle of a Whipping Post, but time is running out.
 

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  posted on 3/16/2014 at 09:52 PM
I was completely intrigued by this when dickey told me... I hear a little lick on AFE but 18 months or so ago I was on a long drive with my son, and we were listening to ABB on spotfiy via his phone..he was in control... and put it on ramdom mix... a great live WP comes on and during dickey's solo, boom! Les Brers.

And I get all excited - "that's what dickey was talking about!" And ask Jacob what we are listening to precisely but he accidentally clicks away when he tries to check he clicks too far back and the song is gone and he can't figure out how to show what we were listening to and I LITERALLY pulled over and start clicking around.. but as far as I can tell the Spotify pHone app did not allow you to see what you had listened to.

And I never found it.

But it is on spotify, which means it's a legit release... and I think I've listened to every duane-era WP on spotify and not heard it... and it's come to feel like it was a hallucination. But I heard it and Dickey was exactly correct; he played that Les Brers melody in full in an improv on his WP solo one night.

I must have missed it on my re-listens... who's up for the research task at hand?

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 07:51 AM
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You can definitely hear it on the Fillmore East version of Whipping Post!



a yup


I first read about that from Scott Freeman's "Midnight Riders" book. That and the little "Frère Jacques" tease

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 08:37 AM
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I was completely intrigued by this when dickey told me... I hear a little lick on AFE but 18 months or so ago I was on a long drive with my son, and we were listening to ABB on spotfiy via his phone..he was in control... and put it on ramdom mix... a great live WP comes on and during dickey's solo, boom! Les Brers.

And I get all excited - "that's what dickey was talking about!" And ask Jacob what we are listening to precisely but he accidentally clicks away when he tries to check he clicks too far back and the song is gone and he can't figure out how to show what we were listening to and I LITERALLY pulled over and start clicking around.. but as far as I can tell the Spotify pHone app did not allow you to see what you had listened to.

And I never found it.

But it is on spotify, which means it's a legit release... and I think I've listened to every duane-era WP on spotify and not heard it... and it's come to feel like it was a hallucination. But I heard it and Dickey was exactly correct; he played that Les Brers melody in full in an improv on his WP solo one night.

I must have missed it on my re-listens... who's up for the research task at hand?


Going strictly from memory, but I am 90% sure it is from the Filmore West show in January of '71 that has been in trading circles for years. 1/28/71?

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 08:47 AM
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I was completely intrigued by this when dickey told me... I hear a little lick on AFE but 18 months or so ago I was on a long drive with my son, and we were listening to ABB on spotfiy via his phone..he was in control... and put it on ramdom mix... a great live WP comes on and during dickey's solo, boom! Les Brers.

And I get all excited - "that's what dickey was talking about!" And ask Jacob what we are listening to precisely but he accidentally clicks away when he tries to check he clicks too far back and the song is gone and he can't figure out how to show what we were listening to and I LITERALLY pulled over and start clicking around.. but as far as I can tell the Spotify pHone app did not allow you to see what you had listened to.

And I never found it.

But it is on spotify, which means it's a legit release... and I think I've listened to every duane-era WP on spotify and not heard it... and it's come to feel like it was a hallucination. But I heard it and Dickey was exactly correct; he played that Les Brers melody in full in an improv on his WP solo one night.

I must have missed it on my re-listens... who's up for the research task at hand?


Going strictly from memory, but I am 90% sure it is from the Filmore West show in January of '71 that has been in trading circles for years. 1/28/71?

Ryan


Verified at 1:03:23:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZyIGMQH0JM

Pretty sure the date is suppose to be 1/28/71, that is what was on the tape I had.



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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 10:10 AM
I've listened to that recording thousands of time and I still have yet to hear the Hot Lanta melody in there anywhere....Whats amazing is they played Hot Lanta during the run. So how could the melody come from WP??

In the example above I hear sort of a HL melody but it's 3 or 4 notes of it and then off to another place

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 10:30 AM
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I've listened to that recording thousands of time and I still have yet to hear the Hot Lanta melody in there anywhere....Whats amazing is they played Hot Lanta during the run. So how could the melody come from WP??

In the example above I hear sort of a HL melody but it's 3 or 4 notes of it and then off to another place


You are listening for Les Bres, not Hot Lanta.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 11:12 AM
Opps..my bad...I did know that....don't know where my head was but not in the game...I still don't hear Les Bres....

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 11:40 AM
I hear it on the FW show

there is a similar line of AFE at 11:15.
The FW sounds more like Les Brers but they are close

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 12:08 PM
which one is Dickey's solo on the FW version? 1st or 2nd? Did Duane always take the 2nd lead on WP? When Duane isn't playing slide I've always had some issues with differentiating between Dickey and Duane.
 

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which one is Dickey's solo on the FW version? 1st or 2nd? Did Duane always take the 2nd lead on WP? When Duane isn't playing slide I've always had some issues with differentiating between Dickey and Duane.

Duane plays the first solo and Dickey plays the second. It's that way on the first ABB album and all the live versions I know of.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 12:25 PM
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Opps..my bad...I did know that....don't know where my head was but not in the game...I still don't hear Les Bres....


It starts at 1 hour, 3 minutes and 22 seconds in and ends at 1 hour, 3 minutes and 26 seconds. That's the lick.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 12:32 PM
I was there, and I heard it.......

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 12:32 PM
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which one is Dickey's solo on the FW version? 1st or 2nd? Did Duane always take the 2nd lead on WP? When Duane isn't playing slide I've always had some issues with differentiating between Dickey and Duane.

listen to Dickey in the slide songs and remember that sound - you will be able to distinguish Dickey and Duane in the other ones
Stormy Mondy - Duane 1st. Liz Reed Dickey 1st. somewhere on this site somebody gave a legend of who plays what and when on AFE.

the only trouble I had distinguishing them is Blue Sky.
Dickey talks about one of them mostly using the bridge pickup and one with the neck pickup in the Book.
I wonder if they have the switches the same way on Blue Sky

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 01:07 PM
Dickey starts playing what would become part of "Les Brers In A Minor" around the 11:08 in "Whipping Post" on At Fillmore East. I verified it using the single CD version re-issued by Capricorn mid-nineties. I double checked this against the 2 CD deluxe edition of At Fillmore East and it starts around the same time - 11:10. It only lasts a few bars but it is distinct.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 01:36 PM
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the only trouble I had distinguishing them is Blue Sky.
Dickey talks about one of them mostly using the bridge pickup and one with the neck pickup in the Book.
I wonder if they have the switches the same way on Blue Sky



Forget about tone. Duane plays his solo with a verve and panache which Dickey didn't have then.

Which isn't a criticism - Dickey's playing was more "precise", I felt, while Duane could swoop off into unexpected places as he does on Blue Sky.











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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 03:21 PM
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I hear it on the FW show

there is a similar line of AFE at 11:15.
The FW sounds more like Les Brers but they are close


Ok I sort of hear it. But it's certainly isn't quoted or repeated it's just the first couple notes to the melody and really not in the same phrasing

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 05:53 PM
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Agree. It took me a while to hear it on AFR


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the only trouble I had distinguishing them is Blue Sky.
Dickey talks about one of them mostly using the bridge pickup and one with the neck pickup in the Book.
I wonder if they have the switches the same way on Blue Sky



Forget about tone. Duane plays his solo with a verve and panache which Dickey didn't have then.

Which isn't a criticism - Dickey's playing was more "precise", I felt, while Duane could swoop off into unexpected places as he does on Blue Sky.

[Edited on 3/17/2014 by Shavian]

right
To me, they sound more alike on Blue Sky than other tunes. I was wondering if one of them changed something like a setting or switch.

 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 06:49 PM
blue sky Duane first Dickey second its easy to tell them apart once you practice listening..also heard they had two othe blue sky solos by both of them they scrapped becuase the one we got now was Dickeys best and Duane wanted him to shine because it was his song
 

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  posted on 3/17/2014 at 08:59 PM
it's cool to hear the Stony Brook version, not only because it is one of the best things they have ever recorded, but Duane sounds like he is blown away by Dickey and made a point of really promoting him

back to the original topic (sort of), I've listened to WP several times recently to try to figure this out. Now, all day long, in my head, is Dickey's solo (and Duane's rhythm) from that slow section in the middle. Note for note.

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  posted on 3/18/2014 at 07:56 PM
Not sure if Dickey means the AFE version as he is quoted in the book as saying it came from a bootleg so it could be the 1/28/71 show.
 

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  posted on 3/18/2014 at 08:12 PM
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Not sure if Dickey means the AFE version as he is quoted in the book as saying it came from a bootleg so it could be the 1/28/71 show.


That seems even wackier - Dickey listened to a bootleg to come up with do re mi, re mi fa?

 

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