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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 12:33 AM
Did anyone else find it interesting that both Jaimoe and Butch admitted in One Way Out that Dickey wasn't directly responsible for Jaimoe getting fired in 1980?

I've seen some people on here post as though it was fact that Dickey was behind the dismissal. This is the first account I've read that was different.

 
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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 05:00 AM
New to me. Very interesting. I indeed thought that Dickey was the main force behind the firing because Jaimoe kept on persisting that there sould be an audit looking into the band's finances.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 08:51 AM
I recall reading that Jaimoe was fired because he and his then-wife (and manager) Candace Oakley were inquiring about the band's finances...and that Dickey was behind it. I'm waiting for my book to arrive, so I'll be anxious to read more. No spoilers please.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 09:58 AM
Dang I'm ordering this today, sounds like the best book out there. I thought from reading other accounts Dickey also was pressuring to look how capricorn was handling the finanaces. Thought the firning was due to some other reason which I never did understand.

Agree please no spoilers yet, at least not a page by page run down. LOL

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 11:03 AM
You'll like Midnight Riders, Scott Freeman did a real nice job
As far as I've ever heard, only Gregg Allman has said Mr. Betts fired Jaimoe -- in reality, never would this have happened if Butch & Gregg hadn't agreed to it -- not a chance -- as you said, they acknowledged this in Freeman's book
why Gregg says these things that he knows aren't accurate -- he had it in for Mr. Betts throughout much of his own book...

there's obviously more to Jaimoe's dismissal than meets the eye
dickey looked into capricorn's finances in 1979 & got a settlement
jaimoe questioned the band's finances in 1980, & got fired
yes the business side of music -- did someone say "ruthless"

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 12:56 PM
Does it matter?.......To this fan, Not nearly as much as the why.

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 01:43 PM
I never heard this story. So he was fired for inquiring about finances? Seems strange. Why did he get re-hired?
 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 09:25 PM
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I never heard this story. So he was fired for inquiring about finances? Seems strange. Why did he get re-hired?


Because no one gives the band wings like Jaimoe....

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 11:03 PM
I thought that whole part of the book was ... fishy ... as in 'incomplete'...you wonder who's toes Jaimoe stepped on that got him booted.

as for the gregg vs butch vs dickey ... put 2 people in a room and you will have 4 stories, at least, of what happened. Once you havce 4 people in a room there's 144 stories of what happened. Everyone always thinks whatever they just said is 'true'.

I did find the account of the events leading up to Dickey's departure very interesting. The story I'd heard originally was DIckey had knocked Butch on his ass/off his drum seat.. Well, guess that wasn't true....at least the time Al wrote about in the book ....(nd adon't start chiming in here spoil this for others thanks!)

 

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  posted on 2/23/2014 at 01:21 AM
There is only one Jaimoe and he is exactly what makes the ABB tick.....he creates interest,color and texture...and time.....he cannot be replaced!

 

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  posted on 2/23/2014 at 05:20 PM
I'd like to agree with that but Jaimoe, to my ears, has basically been inaudible in recent years in the ABB -- he playing used to be a lot more up in the mix -- just my own ears -- I Really dig his Renaissance Man CD -- also Sea Level 2/7/77 Chicago -- Jaimoe & the All Stars, 1994 Hartford CT -- he's best heard on these recordings IMO
Also, the We 3 cut Left Turn, w/Chuck & Lamar -- GOOD-TUNE

[Edited on 2/24/2014 by Stephen]

 

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  posted on 2/24/2014 at 10:25 AM
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There is only one Jaimoe and he is exactly what makes the ABB tick.....he creates interest,color and texture...and time.....he cannot be replaced!

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  posted on 2/26/2014 at 02:26 PM
Which people could have fired Jaimoe? Seems strange that Dicky could just have done it on his own.
 

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  posted on 2/26/2014 at 03:55 PM
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Which people could have fired Jaimoe? Seems strange that Dicky could just have done it on his own.

Butch or Gregg would have done it, but there were no fax machines available then...

 

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  posted on 2/26/2014 at 04:00 PM
Also in that 1979-1982 section of the book they discuss their manager trying to get Chuck back into the band in early 1982. From the interrviews, you would have just thought it was talk only, yet he appears in a pair of professional group publicity photos with the Toler Brothers lineup from that year (one picture appears on Legendary Hits and as well as in the Dreams Box Set).

I'd love to ask them about when/where was the pictures taken and obviously what took place around the picture (jams, rehearsals etc?)

 

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  posted on 2/26/2014 at 04:12 PM
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Which people could have fired Jaimoe? Seems strange that Dicky could just have done it on his own.


If he was querying the band's finances, I wonder if Phil Walden was involved.

The other charter members of the band were probably too stoned to put up a fight.



 

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  posted on 2/26/2014 at 04:16 PM
Whatever the reasons, I am sure, with hindsight, Jaimoe is relieved he had nothing to do with that album!

 

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  posted on 2/27/2014 at 02:41 AM
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Also in that 1979-1982 section of the book they discuss their manager trying to get Chuck back into the band in early 1982. From the interrviews, you would have just thought it was talk only, yet he appears in a pair of professional group publicity photos with the Toler Brothers lineup from that year (one picture appears on Legendary Hits and as well as in the Dreams Box Set).

I'd love to ask them about when/where was the pictures taken and obviously what took place around the picture (jams, rehearsals etc?)


After they stopped in 1982, they got back together in 1983, they were supposed to make another album for Arista. Lawler was out, Chuck was in. Gregg said he wrote "Anything Goes" for that album originally. And I think "No One to Run With" by Dickey... and some other things. But I guess things were so bad, they took the photos, but never got it off the ground. Betts, Leavell, Hall & Trucks was formed out of this period.

At least that's what I have been told. I wouldn't be surprised if nothing ever TRULY got rehearsed ...

 

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  posted on 2/27/2014 at 02:45 AM
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Which people could have fired Jaimoe? Seems strange that Dicky could just have done it on his own.


If he was querying the band's finances, I wonder if Phil Walden was involved.

The other charter members of the band were probably too stoned to put up a fight.





I had always heard the story that Dickey kicked him out because he and Candace were looking to deeply into the finances. But I had always taken the "Dickey did it" as an exaggeration of the truth. Obviously they all had to be involved on some level. Gregg was out of it in that period and Dickey was really the most in control. Butch had been saying for years that it was his biggest regret that he went along with that decision... So that's why I think so many people have said it that way... So, no, I'm not surprised. That was a horrible period in so many ways for the band.

They obviously had a lot really tough times... and all of them had their bad moments. Some more than others, but ... Wow, I really enjoyed reading Alan Paul's book... Thanks again Alan.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2014 at 02:47 AM
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I'd like to agree with that but Jaimoe, to my ears, has basically been inaudible in recent years in the ABB -- he playing used to be a lot more up in the mix -- just my own ears -- I Really dig his Renaissance Man CD -- also Sea Level 2/7/77 Chicago -- Jaimoe & the All Stars, 1994 Hartford CT -- he's best heard on these recordings IMO
Also, the We 3 cut Left Turn, w/Chuck & Lamar -- GOOD-TUNE

[Edited on 2/24/2014 by Stephen]


All of the drums have been WAY too quiet for the last several years... especially on the live releases. It's not because they're not playing. Jaimoe still has his chops... I have always felt that the drums/percussion section is what gives the band it's intensity and I don't like that they get buried, personally.

 

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  posted on 2/27/2014 at 09:59 AM
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There is only one Jaimoe...and we are lucky to have him!

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