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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 03:59 PM
Was able to read a little of One Way Out today and looking forward to reading the rest.

Thank you Alan! This is a a fantastic book. Love the oral history approach. Well done and thank you!

I happened to read the part recounting the Great Woods show where Zakk Wylde replaced Dickey in '93. Holy crap, I have not laughed so hard in a long time. I have GOT to get a recording of this show and if if anyone happens to have a DVD even better! It may not be the most under-rated show but reading the testimonials I'd say it is definitely the most under-appreciated. You have to love Wylde's enthusiasm. Hahaha!! Great stuff. Can't wait to read more.

 
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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 04:43 PM
Was not familiar with this 'incident' until i saw your post..just did a youtube search and found two songs (Dreams / Whipping Post)...different than what we are used to hearing on these songs, and in my opinion, interesting guitar playing by Zakk....different style but still talented..

Was at a show in Philly (at the Mann (I miss that place)) in early to mid 90's where Dickey could not make a show, and the fill in (who I cannot remember) was terrible...would have loved for Zakk to have filled in..

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 04:48 PM
And an acoustic 'Midnight Rider' is there as well..


 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 05:24 PM
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Was at a show in Philly (at the Mann (I miss that place)) in early to mid 90's where Dickey could not make a show, and the fill in (who I cannot remember) was terrible...would have loved for Zakk to have filled in..


David Grissom, if it matters.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 05:48 PM
Whippin Post: Zak solo starts at about 1:44
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVrUbb3jWZQ

Dreams: solo at 2:04
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i9TsvpTnO8

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 06:04 PM
Zambi, thanks for clarifying...

I just remember feeling bad for him and the situation he was thrown into..

No connection between him and the rest of the band, but certainly could not blame him for that..

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 06:09 PM
I have the show with Zakk/Abb on cd if you want it pm me your address and i'll get it to you...
since I went through a "metal" period in my life I had to get this show....Zakk is a great player and
always talks about the Brothers being a huge influence on him ( I think he said a few bands he was in covered some ABB songs)...His style was a little too "over the top/shred like" to really mesh with the Brothers. he problaby fulfilled a dream sitting in with them though....

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 06:19 PM
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Zambi, thanks for clarifying...

I just remember feeling bad for him and the situation he was thrown into..

No connection between him and the rest of the band, but certainly could not blame him for that..


I don't think the band agreed with you about David Grissom, he played I believe 7 or maybe 8 of the non Dickey shows with them unlike Zakk.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 06:32 PM
I think for a metal/hard rock guy he does a good job playing within the melody/context/flow of the song when he is not shredding. If he would leave that out , who knows......would he be considered a "Brother"?

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 07:04 PM
I just listened to Whipping Post and I think if his tone was more traditional the "shredding" parts would have meshed better but altogether is was a fine sit in especially considering his day job with Ozzy. I'll bet he was totally caught up in the moment of playing Whipping Post with the Allmans that it just came out in his playing. the excitement overtook him and the shred let loose. I liked it. Not nearly as bad as people have made it out to be over the years.

 

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I just listened to Whipping Post and I think if his tone was more traditional the "shredding" parts would have meshed better but altogether is was a fine sit in especially considering his day job with Ozzy. I'll bet he was totally caught up in the moment of playing Whipping Post with the Allmans that it just came out in his playing. the excitement overtook him and the shred let loose. I liked it. Not nearly as bad as people have made it out to be over the years.


Yeah I agree, I forget to mention his tone probably got kinda metal at times. And like you said , people have mentioned his performance as bad with them. I did not think that at all. Maybe not quite fitting in some areas.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 07:20 PM
I don't mean to knock it or anything ... but since even Eric Clapton is fair game around here, I have to say that his tone is out of place and his licks seem a bit repetitive. Overall, just out of place. All my opinion, of course.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 10:04 PM
tbomike, it is a long time ago, but I think it was the first show he ever played with them, and was only a few days after Dickey was 'unable' to play..

In my opinion, he just had a tough time up there...more with timing than anything.

I won't say if he is / was good at guitar, just had a tough time that night.

Believe it or not, I have a review from the show I found online:

Wednesday night's Allman Brothers concert at Mann Music Center should have been another of the triumphant shows that fans have come to expect since the world's best Southern rock band reunited in 1989.

But five days before the group's performance, guitarist Dickey Betts was arrested in New York state, charged with obstructing governmental administration and resisting arrest after an alleged scuffle with his wife.

Until Betts can sort out his problems, the band has replaced him with the younger, mop-topped Dave Grissom, who's played with John Mellencamp and Joe Ely. But as good as he was - which was amazingly, incredibly good under the circumstances - Grissom was a doomed man. He could never replace the 49-year- old "son of the South."

The entire Mann show had a strange, bittersweet feeling, like a Cream reunion with Danny Gatton standing in for Eric Clapton.

To compound matters, Gregg Allman didn't introduce Grissom or mention Betts' absence until 2 1/2 hours into the performance. Fans unaware of Betts' arrest must have been completely bewildered.

Fans might have imagined that Grissom was Betts' permanent understudy. He played every note perfectly, if woodenly and without aplomb, and stepped up for leads with apparent confidence. (Was there a substitute singer-keyboardist waiting in the wings in case Gregg Allman spontaneously combusted?)

Though Wednesday's show would still put most Southern rockers to shame, it was sub-standard by Allman Brothers standards. The group studiously avoided songs such as "Rambling Man" and "Blue Sky," on which Betts does lead vocals. The good-natured crowd applauded generously, but it wasn't what fans had paid for.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 12:13 AM
The real truly under appreciated and little talked about shows were the end of Aug into Sept 1993. This was where Jack Pearson filled in for Dickey. These shows are off the charts. Jack's introduction to the ABB world. Warren and Jack feed off of each other and take tunes in directions that they had never gone before. A serious treat for anyone that has not heard any of those shows. First night is virtually no real rehearsal and Jack doesn't miss a beat. Warren is one of those players that makes those around him better. Jack is one guy that I find has that effect on Warren himself.

Stephen first turned me onto these shows a long time ago. I am still in his debt.

 

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A Guitar World interview with Zakk about a year after his gig with the ABB:

GW - Last summer you played a gig with the Allman Brothers. How did that come about?

ZW - I was in the studio recording with Ozzy when I got a call from their manager, who knew that I'm a big fan. He called at six o'clock and said that Dickey couldn’t make the next night's show, and that they'd like me to sit in but I'd have to fly out that night -- at 11:00 on the red eye. I grabbed my guitar and headed for the airport.

I got there at seven in the morning, listened to the tape they had for me and jammed a couple tunes. Early in the afternoon we had a quick soundcheck/rehearsal, which was hilarious. [Allmans drummer] Butch Trucks asked, "Hey Zakk, you know how to play 'Dreams'?" And I said, "What, that Molly Hatchet song?" And they all cracked up. Gregg said, "Brother Zakk, keep talking like that and we're gonna have to send you home."

GW - So they were all cool to you?

ZW - They were way f****** cool, man. But it was hysterical, 'cause when we played "Dreams" I must have soloed for 20 minutes. I'd died and gone to heaven and I just wasn't going to stop. I was just jamming. But I almost gave Butch a coronary, 'cause every time we got to where the band was repeating the same lick, preparing to come out of the jam, I'd just keep soloing. I came over to Butch in between songs and he goes, "Zakk, f*** man! Calm down a little bit brother." And I go, "But this is my favorite band." And he goes, "Yeah, it's mine too, but just f***** relax!"

GW - Were you just thinking, "F*** it. I'm playing with the Allman Brothers, I'm gonna do my thing?"

ZW - Yeah, that's basically what they told me to do. Butch and Gregg said, "Zakk, just have a good time. Just go out there and play. You know how the band works. Just listen. We all listen to each other in this band." But I was kind of out of control -- I was playing with my teeth, and behind my head, and doing all the crap I do with Ozzy -- and taking off my shirt, spitting beer and running around the monitors.

GW - What was Gregg doing while you were doing this stuff?

ZW - [laughs uncontrollably, then pantomimes someone receiving CPR] You know, we even did an acoustic set; we did "Melissa" and "Midnight Rider." Warren [Haynes] was really helpful. I spent a lot of time standing next to him, staring at his hands and saying, "Dude! What the f***?" [laughs] Warren's a killer guitar player which made it a lot easier on me. But I had the time of my life. It was just awesome.


http://www.guitarworld.com/zakk-wylde-discusses-pride-glory-his-new-band-an d-album-1994-guitar-world-interview?page=0,2

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 01:10 AM
I never knew about the Jack and Warren shows in '93. I'd love to hear those. I saw the Waterloo show with Grissom in the pouring rain and I enjoyed that show. Grissom brought a little bit of new life into his solos. I hate to say this, but by that point I felt Dickey crafted his solos to the point of almost being the same each night. And, I'm talking about Liz Reed, Jessica and Blue Sky. They just stopped having the adventurous spark. So, I can understand what Canadian Mule said above about Jack breathing new life into the music.
 

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A Guitar World interview with Zakk about a year after his gig with the ABB:

GW - Last summer you played a gig with the Allman Brothers. How did that come about?

ZW - I was in the studio recording with Ozzy when I got a call from their manager, who knew that I'm a big fan. He called at six o'clock and said that Dickey couldn’t make the next night's show, and that they'd like me to sit in but I'd have to fly out that night -- at 11:00 on the red eye. I grabbed my guitar and headed for the airport.

I got there at seven in the morning, listened to the tape they had for me and jammed a couple tunes. Early in the afternoon we had a quick soundcheck/rehearsal, which was hilarious. [Allmans drummer] Butch Trucks asked, "Hey Zakk, you know how to play 'Dreams'?" And I said, "What, that Molly Hatchet song?" And they all cracked up. Gregg said, "Brother Zakk, keep talking like that and we're gonna have to send you home."

GW - So they were all cool to you?

ZW - They were way f****** cool, man. But it was hysterical, 'cause when we played "Dreams" I must have soloed for 20 minutes. I'd died and gone to heaven and I just wasn't going to stop. I was just jamming. But I almost gave Butch a coronary, 'cause every time we got to where the band was repeating the same lick, preparing to come out of the jam, I'd just keep soloing. I came over to Butch in between songs and he goes, "Zakk, f*** man! Calm down a little bit brother." And I go, "But this is my favorite band." And he goes, "Yeah, it's mine too, but just f***** relax!"

GW - Were you just thinking, "F*** it. I'm playing with the Allman Brothers, I'm gonna do my thing?"

ZW - Yeah, that's basically what they told me to do. Butch and Gregg said, "Zakk, just have a good time. Just go out there and play. You know how the band works. Just listen. We all listen to each other in this band." But I was kind of out of control -- I was playing with my teeth, and behind my head, and doing all the crap I do with Ozzy -- and taking off my shirt, spitting beer and running around the monitors.

GW - What was Gregg doing while you were doing this stuff?

ZW - [laughs uncontrollably, then pantomimes someone receiving CPR] You know, we even did an acoustic set; we did "Melissa" and "Midnight Rider." Warren [Haynes] was really helpful. I spent a lot of time standing next to him, staring at his hands and saying, "Dude! What the f***?" [laughs] Warren's a killer guitar player which made it a lot easier on me. But I had the time of my life. It was just awesome.


http://www.guitarworld.com/zakk-wylde-discusses-pride-glory-his-new-band-an d-album-1994-guitar-world-interview?page=0,2


Thanks for finding this, freaking hilarious

HUGE Zakk fan here, and even I will admit he was kinda out of place. I still think he did a damn good job considering he basically had no notice.

Here is a WP that Zakk did with his side project.
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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 10:51 AM
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tbomike, it is a long time ago, but I think it was the first show he ever played with them, and was only a few days after Dickey was 'unable' to play..

In my opinion, he just had a tough time up there...more with timing than anything.

I won't say if he is / was good at guitar, just had a tough time that night.

Believe it or not, I have a review from the show I found online:

Wednesday night's Allman Brothers concert at Mann Music Center should have been another of the triumphant shows that fans have come to expect since the world's best Southern rock band reunited in 1989.

But five days before the group's performance, guitarist Dickey Betts was arrested in New York state, charged with obstructing governmental administration and resisting arrest after an alleged scuffle with his wife.

Until Betts can sort out his problems, the band has replaced him with the younger, mop-topped Dave Grissom, who's played with John Mellencamp and Joe Ely. But as good as he was - which was amazingly, incredibly good under the circumstances - Grissom was a doomed man. He could never replace the 49-year- old "son of the South."

The entire Mann show had a strange, bittersweet feeling, like a Cream reunion with Danny Gatton standing in for Eric Clapton.

To compound matters, Gregg Allman didn't introduce Grissom or mention Betts' absence until 2 1/2 hours into the performance. Fans unaware of Betts' arrest must have been completely bewildered.

Fans might have imagined that Grissom was Betts' permanent understudy. He played every note perfectly, if woodenly and without aplomb, and stepped up for leads with apparent confidence. (Was there a substitute singer-keyboardist waiting in the wings in case Gregg Allman spontaneously combusted?)

Though Wednesday's show would still put most Southern rockers to shame, it was sub-standard by Allman Brothers standards. The group studiously avoided songs such as "Rambling Man" and "Blue Sky," on which Betts does lead vocals. The good-natured crowd applauded generously, but it wasn't what fans had paid for.


I am sure you are right and I really just meant he was not like Zakk. I would have been bummed and my brother is good friends with David so I was probably being overly defensive about it.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 11:33 AM
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I never knew about the Jack and Warren shows in '93. I'd love to hear those. I saw the Waterloo show with Grissom in the pouring rain and I enjoyed that show. Grissom brought a little bit of new life into his solos. I hate to say this, but by that point I felt Dickey crafted his solos to the point of almost being the same each night. And, I'm talking about Liz Reed, Jessica and Blue Sky. They just stopped having the adventurous spark. So, I can understand what Canadian Mule said above about Jack breathing new life into the music.


I can't burn at the moment or I would offer them up for people. But do yourself a favor and try and track some down. Aug 27-28-and I think 30th (might even be 29) are such cool listens. We get used to how some of the songs flowed with Dickey/Warren and all of the sudden in comes Jack. Where at points we are used to Dickey maybe taking a left turn musically, Jack takes a right. This at points causes Warren to say screw it and he takes a right also. The Liz Reeds alone are worth the price of admission.

The Grissom shows were good but these shows are a completely different beast.

 

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The real truly under appreciated and little talked about shows were the end of Aug into Sept 1993. This was where Jack Pearson filled in for Dickey. These shows are off the charts. Jack's introduction to the ABB world. Warren and Jack feed off of each other and take tunes in directions that they had never gone before. A serious treat for anyone that has not heard any of those shows.

I haven't listened to one of these in a while, but this is true. It's very interesting stuff, especially for people who like something different (like the non-Warren shows in 2005), but since its pre-Instant Live/MunckMusic/YouTube these shows probably are not as widely circulated.

The Zakk interview is very funny. I heard a couple of songs from that show once and I don't have any desire to listen to them again, but you can see he's a real fan and was excited to have the opportunity.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 12:30 PM
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The real truly under appreciated and little talked about shows were the end of Aug into Sept 1993. This was where Jack Pearson filled in for Dickey. These shows are off the charts. Jack's introduction to the ABB world. Warren and Jack feed off of each other and take tunes in directions that they had never gone before. A serious treat for anyone that has not heard any of those shows. First night is virtually no real rehearsal and Jack doesn't miss a beat. Warren is one of those players that makes those around him better. Jack is one guy that I find has that effect on Warren himself.

Stephen first turned me onto these shows a long time ago. I am still in his debt.


Jack filled in for Dickey in Knoxville, TN (World's Fair site) on Sept. 18, 1993 and I was there. I do remember Jack playing that show, and being impressed with how good he was. It was my first exposure to Jack, and I set out to learn a little more about him. I'd like to have that show, but I don't really trade.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 11:27 PM
I was at that gig and frankly it was a bit painful to endure....and I like Zakk and his playing, just not with them....it was over the top. Spitting beer at the Audience etc. Thanks but I have no desire to relive it.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2014 at 10:41 AM
You're welcome bro. James & it's kind of you to mention -- yeah those shows in '93 with Jack -- another reason why this band is so amazing -- without Dickey, NICE ABB concerts all the same -- what a talent Jack Pearson is

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  posted on 2/21/2014 at 12:26 PM
I was at the Mann show as well. Overall, considering the circumstances, Grissom played a pretty by the numbers show. Warren definitely stepped up for that run.

I do recall people referring to it as a Gregg Allman solo show though.

I took a buddy who hadn't seen them before and was blown away by Warren's slide solo on 'Dreams'

 

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I was at that gig and frankly it was a bit painful to endure....and I like Zakk and his playing, just not with them....it was over the top. Spitting beer at the Audience etc. Thanks but I have no desire to relive it.


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