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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 10:54 PM
When was the last time "True Gravity" was played live?

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 11:29 PM
With ABB?
I'm guessing Dickey's last show in ATL 5/7/2000

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 09:26 AM
They played it once after that. June 25, 2000 - No Dickey

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 01:01 PM
Man I have been asking for them to play this since then LOL.

I LOVE this song

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 01:16 PM
one of the best versions, love this show.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2JJJCDc2iU

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 01:21 PM
Didn't realize the band played it in Summer 2000 with Jimmy Herring once. Will have to look up that version!

True Gravity was a highlight of the brief Derek/Dickey lineup.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 01:26 PM
Enjoy that show too. Have been on a 94 to 96 kick lately.

Side note - A buddy mentioned to me last night that with Warren leaving the ABB, perhaps that opens the door easier for Dickey at Christmas time with Warren. Would love to hear Warren and Dickey for a whole set. No guests. Just straight up Dickey/Warren era ABB classics.

I would take a tour of that ahead of Warren playing with The Dead. Just sayin'

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 02:11 PM
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Enjoy that show too. Have been on a 94 to 96 kick lately.

Side note - A buddy mentioned to me last night that with Warren leaving the ABB, perhaps that opens the door easier for Dickey at Christmas time with Warren. Would love to hear Warren and Dickey for a whole set. No guests. Just straight up Dickey/Warren era ABB classics.

I would take a tour of that ahead of Warren playing with The Dead. Just sayin'


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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 02:19 PM
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Didn't realize the band played it in Summer 2000 with Jimmy Herring once. Will have to look up that version!


Me neither. Must hear. It's listed as song #5 on the calendar setlist, and for the first leg of that tour High Falls was often played around that point in the set. So I wonder if that's a mistake. I'd never even heard that Jimmy ever played True Gravity. Love the possibilities though, thinking about it.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 04:06 PM
OK just saw this thread, and checked my show lists/ITunes library and I do have the 06-25-2000 show that they did play True Gravity. It's a very good audience recording. I'll burn cd's tonight and start a vine tomorrow in the music/vines section. Only caveat is that the first person be in the US. I'll put the vine up tonight, so sign up early and enjoy!
 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 04:13 PM
Love this version.
 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 06:49 PM
Vine for this show is now up in the Music/Vines section of forum. Sign up and Enjoy!
 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 07:48 PM
Maybe THE most underrated song in the whole ABB catalog. If a version of True Gravity like the one linked was on First or Second Set, it would be more widely acknowledged for its greatness.

As it is, it's a song whose magnificence as a live jam is only known to those of us who take the time to listen to 90s ABB bootlegs. It isn't even on any Instant Lives. That is why I'm so glad about the 92 Beacon show being released, it shows that there is a lot more to that era than what is on those two "Evening With" albums.

Agreed that it was a highlight of the Dickey/Derek years, and it was amazing what they did with that song in 1996. That was part of why Warren and Allen leaving came as such a surprise to me. I felt like there was a gap after Jerry's death, and those '96 versions of True Gravity had me convinced the ABB were the best bet to fill it. They were giving the younger jambands a run for their money in the improvisation department, and were much tighter and had better songs.

It was also a really good sign for the band that they had a new-ish song that could take the "long jam with drum and bass solos" spot that was dominated by Elizabeth Reed at that time. It provided some variety to the setlists and it seemed like a positive move.

Now I know more about what was going on within the band, but at the time, I was totally blindsided that a band would break up when they were capable of something like what they were putting out in 1996.

 
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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 05:34 PM
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Maybe THE most underrated song in the whole ABB catalog. If a version of True Gravity like the one linked was on First or Second Set, it would be more widely acknowledged for its greatness.

As it is, it's a song whose magnificence as a live jam is only known to those of us who take the time to listen to 90s ABB bootlegs. It isn't even on any Instant Lives. That is why I'm so glad about the 92 Beacon show being released, it shows that there is a lot more to that era than what is on those two "Evening With" albums.

Agreed that it was a highlight of the Dickey/Derek years, and it was amazing what they did with that song in 1996. That was part of why Warren and Allen leaving came as such a surprise to me. I felt like there was a gap after Jerry's death, and those '96 versions of True Gravity had me convinced the ABB were the best bet to fill it. They were giving the younger jambands a run for their money in the improvisation department, and were much tighter and had better songs.

It was also a really good sign for the band that they had a new-ish song that could take the "long jam with drum and bass solos" spot that was dominated by Elizabeth Reed at that time. It provided some variety to the setlists and it seemed like a positive move.

Now I know more about what was going on within the band, but at the time, I was totally blindsided that a band would break up when they were capable of something like what they were putting out in 1996.


Oh man, I saw them do True Gravity in 1996 also. It was totally off the hook and everything you said about the song is accurate. But, my immediate thought was "this is it" - I knew Warren & Woody would be leaving. They were playing miles above Dickey and I'm not knocking Dickey. He was playing great, maybe some of his best playing, but Warren & Woody were were throwing down hard and they had the fire. I was sure it came from all their time with the Mule up to that point but in my heart I knew that was the last time I'd see them with the Brothers and unfortunately it was.

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 07:53 PM
First thing that I thought of when I saw this title was Red Rocks 1996.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 08:30 PM
I love this tune as well - wish it would come back. I've only heard the '89-'90 version with Johnny Neel where a pretty large chunk of the tune was a Johnny Neel showcase, and some '96 versions. The '96 versions I've heard were sandwiched around the drums and bass solo - which drives me crazy - keep the instrumentals self contained and let the composition unfold. How do the '98 Jack and '99/00 Derek versions compare to how they played the tune earlier?

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 10:57 PM
In '99 - '00, it was a much more compact song than 1996 (in the 11-12 minute range). Derek took both the Johnny and Warren solo parts and took it on a long weekend country drive...just a great groove. When they could lock in the harmonies (there are some tapes with flubs at some shows), the contrast was great. And Dickey gave his part some sunshine, not Blue Sky or BWIAB sunshine...a little more cutting than that...but nice.

It was the show opener, which I thought took some guts in a way.

Yes. Bring True Gravity back!

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 11:05 PM
When I first saw the ABB in the summer of 99 as a teenager that was what they opened with and I loved it.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2014 at 11:08 AM
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OK just saw this thread, and checked my show lists/ITunes library and I do have the 06-25-2000 show that they did play True Gravity. It's a very good audience recording. I'll burn cd's tonight and start a vine tomorrow in the music/vines section. Only caveat is that the first person be in the US. I'll put the vine up tonight, so sign up early and enjoy!


WillieB,

Any chance of talking you into just putting the audio of this True Gravity on youtube and passing along the link?

It would be greatly appreciated!

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  posted on 2/21/2014 at 02:20 PM
Don't know anything about uploading music onto youtube, so someone else will have to oblige!
 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 11:12 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l03frMEFu08

Considering it's the only time they ever played it with this lineup, I gotta say I think they nailed it! Kudos Jimmy!

 

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  posted on 2/22/2014 at 01:43 PM
Thanks for posting Jules! Yes, I'm sure in the hurry up from giving Dickey a permanent leave of absence in early May 2000 to taking the stage late June with Jimmy, there was a lot of "well what songs are you familiar enough with that we don't need to spend a coupla days working on, this was proabbly one. It was sure a good fit for Derek & Jimmy to shine. First song this line-up played to open first show of summer tour was Mountain Jam. so yes the texture of what an ABB concert was sure changed. the charlotte shows two years ago were really a treat. Friday night, Gregg is hurt from dropping a motorcycle and can't really play keys and Warren's plane has blowout on the tarmac leaving NYC & can't make it by showtime. So out they come with Jimmy Herring on guitar and Danny Louis on keys and break out an epic 25 - 30 minute Mtn Jam to set the tone for a very enjoyable and different sort of ABB show. Next night, Warren played with a vengence to make up for missing Fri night's show. It was a very good two nights of music with the ABB & WSP. Star player or two go down, the show must go on and they stepped up & brought it!
 

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  posted on 2/24/2014 at 04:38 PM
One of the best Gregg solos is also on this version of True Gravity. What a great Dickey composition.
 

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  posted on 2/24/2014 at 04:50 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l03frMEFu08

Considering it's the only time they ever played it with this lineup, I gotta say I think they nailed it! Kudos Jimmy!


Thanks Jules, much appreciated.

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  posted on 2/24/2014 at 07:06 PM
Thanks for posting Jules - that was outstanding. Hard to believe that lineup shelved the tune after that rendition. They were already working with a bit of reduced catalogue - that version smoked - you'd think they'd have kept it in rotation. That's it's never been played again is a shame. Hope it's back for the last go around this year.

Now to be greedy - who's going to post a Jack Pearson version for us to compare and contrast?

 

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