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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 09:00 AM
I just ran across this jam of Duane Betts...the best I have seen....enjoy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iu0fTxLMgt8

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 09:52 AM
duane Betts seems like a nice young man and I have seen him play several times when I went to see his father,I was underwhelmed.I do not at all mean to belittle The young Betts but he is not an accomplished enough player to warrant constant topics here on the allman brothers site where we discuss the likes of duane allman and the elder Betts and derek and warren etc.....
 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 10:33 AM
Historically I would have agreed with that harsh assessment - but I've been very impressed with what I've heard from Duane the last two years or so. He's improved considerably as a soloist and is quite good now from what I've heard of late. I'm interested in following where he goes from here. I might also add if we limit ourselves to only talking about players as good as Derek and Duane Allman it's going to be pretty quiet around here.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 10:49 AM
I enjoy playing guitar. I'm not very good at it, but playing to the best of my ability - especially when playing with my friends (most of whom are a whole lot better than me) is just about the best buzz that there is in this world.

When I first started learning (or trying to learn) guitar, it was something that I consciously wanted to become good at. To my own detriment, I pretty much taught myself by watching (monkey see-monkey do) or taking quick routes via various tab and cheat books.

When it became obvious that I was never going to be a GREAT player, I just shoved the instrument into a closet for about 10 years. At some point about 5 years ago, people who know and love me pointed out that I had been cheating myself out something that I loved dearly - which was simply playing guitar.

I don't know if pianists, violinists or accordionists have the same ... competitiveness that exists among guitar players or not. I also wonder if they are criticized over their abilities by spectators, writers and folks who never even make an effort to learn how to play. When we have threads and post signatures stating that "Clapton sucks" - you know that public perception can be quite askew at times.

I still suffer from a shyness that far exceeds simple stage fright. I actually consider myself to be a pretty fair amateur player. There are some things I can play well, other things that are just out of my league. What almost ruins the entire effort for me is the fact that no matter how well I am able to play, there is always going to be somebody making cheap and insensitive comments about my effort. There are times when I just wish I'd put all my money into a fishing boat instead of a small collection of guitars.

Please forgive my pre-ramble. I am going somewhere with all this.

Duane Betts is musical equivalent of the son of an outstanding athlete - forever destined to fill shoes too large for his own feet.

If his name was Bill Smith or something, he'd probably have a lot more respect for his playing. Critics will forever haunt him over any perceived short comings, when there are most certainly many players of guitar who are a lot less gifted.

I've only seen Duane Betts play twice. I've commented before - why criticize him for not being what he ain't? While he's certainly no Eric Clapton (who some of the posters on this site find to be an inferior player) he's probably better than many of the folks who post on this site who DO play guitar.

Personally, I envy his position - to be the son of a well known gun. But the very disposition that puts him in a spot where he might learn from one of the very best also places him in the center of a target for some undue criticism and commentary.

I think Duane Betts has talent, style and a gift unique to himself. I think he should seek to find his own brand where he can grow into his own level of artistry. Hopefully, this will happen for him and he will find himself an audience that gets him for being himself.

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 01:03 PM
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I do not at all mean to belittle The young Betts but he is not an accomplished enough player to warrant constant topics here on the allman brothers site where we discuss the likes of duane allman and the elder Betts and derek and warren etc.....


I was under the impression that anything goes means anything goes...if I were to post a constant Duane Betts topic in the Duane Allman section of this site, I could understand your point, but since I did post it under anything goes, I do not see the issue. Frankly, I find it funny considering the unrelated music topics that are posted on anything goes. But, I can't complain because its anything goes.

Frankly, I posted the video because I know others, maybe not you, would enjoy the video. For those that enjoyed the lackluster guitar solo, your welcome.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 01:25 PM
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For those that enjoyed the lackluster guitar solo, your welcome.


Thanks for the link.

Its not "lackluster"...well, yes it is. Predictable too. No edge. Too melodic.

He is fine at playing riffs, but I don't hear any soul. None. Even the "Stormy Monday" clip someone posted a while back...seemed so ...rehearsed.

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Duane Betts is musical equivalent of the son of an outstanding athlete - forever destined to fill shoes too large for his own feet. I think he should seek to find his own brand where he can grow into his own level of artistry.


Agreed. Not everything you play has to sound like "Jessica".

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 01:51 PM
bottom line,if duane betts was named duane smith nobody would have ever heard of him or much cared about his playing one way or another
 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 03:02 PM
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bottom line,if duane betts was named duane smith nobody would have ever heard of him or much cared about his playing one way or another


That is a fair statement. He still rolls back on the volumn on his guitar to wear he often can't be heard. Almost as a form of insecurity and habit. Watch any video and he does it constantly adjusting and almost always down. I have sat right in front of his stack at a few Dickey shows and at times - nothing. Dickey's stack beside him making wind blow from the force.

Someone posted a YDLM with Berry Jr , Pedro and others and Duane is lost.

I have often wondered how much he really likes playing the ABB stuff.

Nice guy and I bet he would prefer to not have to be a soloist to any large degree.

 

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  posted on 2/17/2014 at 03:07 PM
I thought the stormy monday with the girl singing was oustanding. I agree duane has improved by leaps and bounds over the last few years and I am actually interested in hearing a studio album from him. But I have seen guitar players playing in local bars that would blow him away.

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 10:02 AM

"Duane Betts' playing does *not* get me off.

We've got more creative, more inventive, more original talent in some of our local bars.




 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 10:19 AM
sounds like a "blue sky" riff mixed in with the wrong song

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 12:40 PM
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But I have seen guitar players playing in local bars that would blow him away.


Bingo!!

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 12:47 PM
Liz Reed......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocCjkhCg-vQ

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 02:02 PM
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Liz Reed......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocCjkhCg-vQ


The other player, "Johnny Stachela"?...has great tone and feel....

 

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  posted on 2/18/2014 at 04:25 PM
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Liz Reed......

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocCjkhCg-vQ


The other player, "Johnny Stachela"?...has great tone and feel....


I thought the exact same thing when I viewed it earlier.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 01:31 AM
I really have to say I disagree with most of you. I've been finding Duane's playing to be a breath of fresh air lately. I've played live in bands doing these kinds of tunes for over a decade and I feel like I'm hearing some very fresh new stuff when I hear Duane. I'd rather listen to his solos than lots of people. I've long ago thought that some people just don't hear music like others. Especially musicians. I'm now starting to realize the truth in that thought more and more.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 08:09 AM
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I really have to say I disagree with most of you. I've been finding Duane's playing to be a breath of fresh air lately. I've played live in bands doing these kinds of tunes for over a decade and I feel like I'm hearing some very fresh new stuff when I hear Duane. I'd rather listen to his solos than lots of people. I've long ago thought that some people just don't hear music like others. Especially musicians. I'm now starting to realize the truth in that thought more and more.



So if you don't like him then you are an inferior listener who just doesn't understand his genius? You need to be a musician to get it?

I would wager that those who have remarked that he doesn't do much for them are almost all musicians. They probably believe that they are superior players. I bet in many of those cases, they are. I know that I am.

As some have mentioned, he is thrust into a category that will draw comparisons to other great players and he is just not anywhere close to that league. The video of YDLM is a prime example. Winds the volume back untill it is his turn to solo and then he has no idea of when to stop or how many bars he should solo. Just not his thing.

Dickey is likely to blame in some ways as Duane was brought on stage far to early guesting with the ABB. He was a little kid on huge stages soloing beside Warren/Dickey. Sure they were supportive but he still is gonna come across as a beginner as he was at that stage. Not exactly a confidence builder and probably why he always rolls his volume back.

They brought the poor kid on stage at Woodstock! Dickey trys to help him and turn his amp up when in fact again it was the volume on the guitar rolled back. Cool experience to stand on stage at Woodstock but not so much if your talent is not there at all. He ended up playing and no one could hear a thing. On stage in front of that huge crowd with millions watching at home. The only weak moment in a great ABB set. Not his fault, Dickey should never have put him inn that position.

Plus he grew up with comparisons to the likes of Derek who was better at 12 than Duane will ever be. No shame in Derek being better but not easy as a kid.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 10:44 AM
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I've long ago thought that some people just don't hear music like others.



Boiled down, this says it all
there's no such thing as "good" "better" or "best" in music
ALL in the ear/taste of indvdl. listener IMO...
Duane RIPPED on Liz Reed last summer in Plymouth NH

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 11:05 AM
Personally, I would not pay to see Duane Betts perform. If he was with a supporting band, like DBGS, I don't mind paying. His playing does not seem natural...its seems forced. He needs to find his own voice and develop with it. He should step out of Dickey's shadows.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2014 at 01:14 PM
Stephen is correct. If it pleases you then that is all that matters. We all like things that others don't. Someone elses' opinion will never change what you listen to. That is why HOF crap nevers bothers me.

That said if we all agree all the time and never have some debate on things, it would get pretty boring. Poor Duane gets served up sometimes on here. Nature of the beast. Great that he plays with Dad, gets a couple of solos in and he is a nice guy. No problem with him being there but the improv solo stuff isn't for everyone. Some peoples' solos are better kept to 30 - 45 seconds or they just start repeating the same riffs.

It is great that the ABB and a few others can play that style and keep it interesting but thank God that everyone doen't improv for 10 minutes each at times.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 02:38 PM
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Plus he grew up with comparisons to the likes of Derek who was better at 12 than Duane will ever be. No shame in Derek being better but not easy as a kid.


That is just a ridiculous statement. I love Derek. He has blown my mind more than any guitar player I've ever seen or heard. But there is just no way that's an accurate statement. Derek barely even played straight guitar at that age. Obviously he was better at slide. But to say he was better than duane will ever be is just ignorant.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 03:35 PM
I am amazed there is such a long discussion here about Duane Betts.The guy is at BEST a mediocre performer.He seems like a nice kid but not worthy of all this debate.
 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 03:44 PM
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duane Betts seems like a nice young man and I have seen him play several times when I went to see his father,I was underwhelmed.I do not at all mean to belittle The young Betts but he is not an accomplished enough player to warrant constant topics here on the allman brothers site where we discuss the likes of duane allman and the elder Betts and derek and warren etc.....


so we should never talk about anything new that comes along? Duane has been dead a long time...The allman brothers hasn't done anything new in eon's... how many times are we going to hash over the slide play on statesboro blues.... I know it is sin to not bow down to Duane Allman on this site but give me a break....

 

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Plus he grew up with comparisons to the likes of Derek who was better at 12 than Duane will ever be. No shame in Derek being better but not easy as a kid.


That is just a ridiculous statement. I love Derek. He has blown my mind more than any guitar player I've ever seen or heard. But there is just no way that's an accurate statement. Derek barely even played straight guitar at that age. Obviously he was better at slide. But to say he was better than duane will ever be is just ignorant.


How is that ignorant? At 12 yrs old, Derek had his own touring band. The Derek Trucks Band. He was the star of the show for a reason. He was a very talented young man and was a treat to see live.

Duane is still the third wheel in his Dad's band and if he missed a show tomorrow, the band would roll right along. He plays a couple of solos per show.

There was a reason that Derek had a band at such an early age and a reason that there is no Duane Betts Band and never will be.

Saw Derek as a kid and have seen Duane many times too. Stand by the statement. Actually amazed that anyone would dispute that. Leaves me to believe that you never saw or heard Derek when he was young. Ignorance would be speaking out without knowledge on the subject. Again there was a reason that Derek was the featured artist at that young age of a band that toured North America. Let me know when the Duane Betts Band does the same.

Think you should go listen.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2014 at 05:37 PM
Let me know when Duane gets to this level.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLQTbmUYI4A

 

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