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  posted on 2/19/2004 at 11:27 AM
I'm still on this Beatles kick, just reread "The Love You Make" for the 10th time, last night watched volumes 3 and 4 of the Beatles' Anthology, which is right when they hit it big.

Anyway, today's Poll Question is "Why did they break up?"

I lean towards:

1) John's growing dissatisfaction and disallusionment with the way things were going.
2) Yoko Ono
3) Paul and John both trying to wrest control of the group both creatively and monetariliy (the latter especially for Paul).
4) Yoko Ono
5) George getting more and more miffed over his second-class standing.
6) Yoko Ono
7) Ringo and George tiring of Paul's becoming the conductor for every song, showing them how to play, etc.
8) Yoko Ono
9) The whirlwind that surrounded them everywhere they went, the "fish in a bowl" thing I guess
10) Yoko Ono

Anyway, their story will always be interesting. It was as much a cultural thing as a musical one.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2004 at 11:57 AM
Who really knows, but i would like to think
that the individual members were ready to
make music outside "The Beatles" context..
( especially George ) ...

I really don't think Yoko ( or Linda ) had
anything to do w/ breaking up the band ...
These cats were all headed in different
directions ....

My .02 !

 

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  posted on 2/19/2004 at 12:03 PM
Not to sound apathetic, but two of them have passed away, so there will never be the Beatles reunion we had all hoped for. Just enjoy the recorded legacy they left us and continue John's message of Peace and Love.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2004 at 12:06 PM

Awman...everytime I read your sig about Jimmy Cracked Corn....

it makes me think about when my daughter was a little kid.

She was looking in this book...and it had one of those figurines of Elvis Presley in his white jumpsuit with the gold trim...holding a microphone.

"She said who is that Daddy"

And I said "Its Jimmy Crack Corn" just messing with her......

So everytime she saw Elvis...she would say "Look it's Jimmy Crack Corn !"

and all of my relatives would say..."where in the hell did she get that from" LOL !

She's 21 now and still laughs about me telling her that......


The Beatles have a special place with me...and I liked their solo stuff too.....

When Ringo did "It don't come easy"...I was really happy that he did such a good song...compared to some of his other stuff.

When I saw Ringo's All-Stars a few years back...It was special just to know that a Beatle was performing for us.

 

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  posted on 2/19/2004 at 12:22 PM
I agree with the odd-numbered reasons.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 01:27 PM
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I agree with the odd-numbered reasons.


Marley, don't tell me we actually AGREE on something??? Cool!

Guess all of those reasons in their own way added up to the eventual end of the group. It was so much, so fast. At least for the mid-60's. There was nothing that ever compared to it. I think they quickly became cynical and jaded (and rightfully so) about the whole deal. Plus the inevitable backlash after they became popular affected them, at least for a while. Funny how Americans in particular will do that - they love you, then hate you, then love you again. Mickey Mantle comes to mind.

I can get emotional watching the Anthology tapes. As much for my own memories as well as seeing all four of them alive knowing now what their fates would be. Is that pitiful or what? I guess I'm thinking back to when I was "so much younger, so much younger than today". They were just a bit ahead of my time in 63-64, but I caught up fast! Damn, they were trailblazers.

Old Dirt Road..."Jimmy cracked corn"...I asked a long time ago if anyone knew what this meant...I think someone said it was some sort of Southern expression, but I can't remember what for...

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 01:37 PM
If nobody cares then why is there a song about it ?

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 01:44 PM
I think it was the myth of the Beatles had gotten to
the point that it was becoming so big that they
couldn't deal with it any longer.

They HAD to kill the Beast.

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 02:31 PM
It was the same year that Jimi, Janice and Jim Morrison died. I've heard it had something to do with a black hole eating the Age of Aquarius.

If you think you can handle the truth... the straight dope, go to:

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 05:12 PM
what would the 40th anniversary hoopla been like if all 4 fabs were satill on this plane?

picked up the maysles brothers film but havn't watched yet...

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 05:34 PM
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It was the same year that Jimi, Janice and Jim Morrison died. I've heard it had something to do with a black hole eating the Age of Aquarius.

If you think you can handle the truth... the straight dope, go to:

http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/mbeatlesbreakup.html


Why would believe an writer that insults Ringo in the second paragraph?

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[Edited on 2/20/2004 by johnwott]

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 05:41 PM
Cool thread. Anyway if you put 4 guys together for a decade and they rise to that condition of fame, record that much music together in such a short period of time, it cannot last. The four of them needed space it's that simple. I think they loved what they did, but as long as they did it they could never be individual and they were so famous they couldn't do a whole lot or go to many places... Just my 2 cents
 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 06:25 PM
The big three were heading in different directions with their music.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 07:22 PM
There were many things that contributed to the band breaking up. For me, the number one reason was Yoko Ono. Yoko and John were always seen together, and it seems they never spent any time apart, so I can imagine that Yoko being at all the recording session caused lots of tension in the studio.

 

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  posted on 2/20/2004 at 07:38 PM
The reason they broke up,IMO,was John's dislike of the direction Paul wanted to take the band,and George and Ringo's dislike of Yoko Ono.

John REALLY disliked Paul at the end.John,George and Ringp had gone to Paul and told them that to be fair,from then on they wanted to do 4 songs by John,4 songs by Paul,4 songs from George and whatever Ringo wanted to do,on each album.

Paul said this wasn't fair,and that was about the end of the band.

George and Ringo REALLY disliked Yoko being at recording sessions.George said many times,he didn't object to her being present,but it was that she constantly commented on how the music should be.

You can see this in the Lennon documentary "Imagine",where they show George recording "How Do You Sleep At Night?" (about Paul) with John.Yoko comes in and trys to tell John to tell George that he was playing his slide guitar part all wrong,right in front of George.By the look on George's face,he came within about an inch of putting his Stratocaster in the case and walking out.

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  posted on 2/21/2004 at 12:58 AM
i dont think yoko is to blame as much as just john and paul going in seperate directions. for john to even bring yoko in shows he was not in sync with the rest of the band. from what i have read paul wanted to be in a touring band and john didnt. anyway if paul was being overbearing about playing, he had a right to be. i love the beatles but john and george play lead guitar terribly. if paul had played all the parts from 67 on the music would be even better. so obviously i am on the Paul side of the argument. i saw a video of paul playing lead guitar from 01 and it was really impressive. i was unaware he played any lead until then, but it was a great break. so anyway, when one guy is the best guitarist,bassist,keyboardist, and writer in a band everyopne else should go with him inmy opinion.
anyway the beatles are probably the most important act ever and one of my favs. all things must end and the beatles had to as well sadly.
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  posted on 2/21/2004 at 02:23 AM
Ah, I love the Straight Dope!

Cecil didn't insult Ringo. He made note of the fact that loads of people make jokes about Ringo. And it's funny. That's part of what he does.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2004 at 06:00 AM
I have seen Paul three times in concert. He does not play guitar nearly as well as George.

 

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  posted on 2/21/2004 at 12:56 PM
Not many people do.....


I think it just HAD to end... they were too big.

Maybe all of those years together just made them sick of each other.

And at least from what I have read, John and Paul had pretty much mended thier fences by the time John died..

But as for Yoko, well....

 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 12:50 PM
If Yoke had her way, I guess the four of them would have climbed into sacks and started sreaming...

I alwyas thought Paul had a lot of chutzpah telling everyone how to play, etc. If I was George I'd have been gone even earlier.

On a side note, anyone else ever heard the Firesign Theater (I think) doing John's "Magical Misery Tour" that was mostly regarding comments he made in the infamous Playboy interview? Man, that is HILARIOUS!!!

 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 01:13 PM
i dont think yoko is to blame as much as just john and paul going in seperate directions.

Says it all. The group cohesion was fading as they all were beginning to define themselves as individuals. They had come a long way from sharing a run down room in Hamburg. Yoko and Linda were merely inevitable consequences of John and Paul growing up so to speak.

Does anyone ever consider that their breakup was actually a good thing? Had they not, they probably would have ended up like the Stones, releasing mediocre albums followed by tours where they drew upon nostalgia rather than new material. Stones shows are fun, but are on the same level as going to see the Four Tops- gimmee the classics!

 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 01:19 PM
why wouldnt you break up if you where the beatles? you would have already change the face of rock and roll, made enough money to fund a small country and could persue other musical interests.

in a way, its kinda cool that they will never be again. all you have is what they left. you dont have to sift through "reunion" albums and "reunion" shows with only a few members touring as them.

All Yoko was guilty of is distracting John with something called LOVE.

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 01:22 PM

I have four cats, all brothers from the same litter, all solid black. I named them John. Paul, George, and Ringo.

Paul fights with everybody and demands a lot of attention; Ringo is the sweetest one and likes his belly rubbed; John is laid back and doesn't get bothered by much (except when Paul attacks him); and George likes to hang out by himself.

That's my contribution.

 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 01:50 PM
Excellent point LinnieXX. What is amazing is that the Beatles were done by the time they were 30 years old or younger in the case of Paul and George.
 

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  posted on 2/24/2004 at 01:57 PM
I love those Cats, Hophead!

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