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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 09:12 AM
If you go to the Moogis site you get this message.

Moogis has left the building...!!
Thank you for your support over the last 5 years.

http://moogis.com/cgi-sys/suspendedpage.cgi

They didn't want people to get their hopes up that maybe Moogis would do this last Beacon run.

 
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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 09:41 AM
In all seriousness, I applaud Butch's efforts. I don't know if the costs were restrictive to the number of subscribers needed t make the venture work, but he risked himself financially to create an enjoyable product for fans. I know a lot of folks got great pleasure from Moogis. Thanks, Butch!

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 10:00 AM
Really had my hopes up that we all could enjoy the last Beacon run. But, realize if it didn't work out before there is no sense in throwing good many at bad. Just plain sucks it didnb't work out.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 10:14 AM
Moogis was definitely a missed opportunity. To give Butch fair credit, it may have been the best idea he ever had, even if Butch himself was also one of the main reasons why it didn't work out in the end. Phish and other bands have built a fairly lucrative pay-per-view market for webcasting shows, so Moogis wasn't THAT far off.

I think the subscription model, as opposed to paying per show, turned out to be a mistake. Also, the various technical glitches they had certainly didn't help the Moogis brand. Cancelling Wanee at the last minute, with no refunds, was a death blow nobody could have recovered from.

Still, as much as we complain about the ABB not releasing new material and doing the same old thing over and over, Moogis was one attempt by the band to actually try something new. Even if it was ultimately a failure, it did give a lot of people a lot of enjoyment and deserves credit as such.

 
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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 10:22 AM
Butch's big mistake was assuming that all the people who complained about not being able to see the band would jump at a chance to see the Becon run for a modest price. It was originally 15 shows for I believe $75.00 If anybody spit the bit on this one, it was us.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 10:56 AM
I was able to watch the entire 40th Anniv Beacon run from my house, so in that aspect I'm very thankful that Moogis existed.

How things were handled after that killed the product and Butch should never been the spokesperson/pitchman for a product.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 11:01 AM
i also applaud Butch for the vision. i would actually pay for him to make a case study of what did and did not work with moogis from a business perspective.

i subscribed the first year. was very cool watching the show, then seeing Charlie O and my brother enjoying the show from front row.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 11:18 AM
Bob Weir's TRI Studios is a variation on the Moogis theme.
Instead of touring, The Allman Brothers could set up at Weir's place and stream a few shows a year every March.
"All roads lead to the couch".

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 11:35 AM
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Butch's big mistake was assuming that all the people who complained about not being able to see the band would jump at a chance to see the Becon run for a modest price. It was originally 15 shows for I believe $75.00 If anybody spit the bit on this one, it was us.


I never understood the purchase model of all or nothing. It would have been great to allow a la carte pricing. I would have gladly paid 20 bucks for a single show on a night where it fit into my personal schedule.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 11:48 AM
2009 in particular was amazing on Moogis. Glad I subscribed to the years I did.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:04 PM
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Butch's big mistake was assuming that all the people who complained about not being able to see the band would jump at a chance to see the Becon run for a modest price. It was originally 15 shows for I believe $75.00 If anybody spit the bit on this one, it was us.


The early bird price in '09 was $100, probably the best money I ever spent on music. Great quality, visually and sound-wise.

What may have killed the momentum was the '10 UPT run, when the price inched up a bit (which was fine), but then the last 5 shows were cancelled, effectively doubling the price/show from the previous year. I did not sign up before the cancellation, thankfully, and never did again.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:15 PM
I was on board for all the Beacon Moogis shows.

It was a great deal to be able to watch every show from home.

Damn shame it couldn't work and its spokesman was downright nasty to some of the consumers who had issues.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:16 PM
Good memory there Brock. That crushed the momentum and turned people off from ever buying again. It was still worth it to me in 2010 s i signed up before the 5 shows were added (then canceled). That adding of 5 unnecessary 2010 shows and then canceling them was the worst ABB decisions in recent history.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:33 PM
Moogis was terrific. Yeah it had glitches, but since I work in IT I realize how many individual factors are at play and I was ok with a few issues because over all it was a great experience. I bought moogis every time it was offered and enjoyed all the shows. It was all for the price of 2 average tickets to one Beacon show and I got to see every show up close with excellent sound and follow along with the setlist threads here. It made every show an event. I met Butch at Peach Fest 2 years ago and expressed my appreciation for it directly to him and he seemed to be genuinely grateful. It's too bad it didn't work out.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:33 PM
great idea and great concept

just remember if moogis did not work for you it's your fault

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 12:53 PM


[Edited on 10/7/2014 by jerryphilbob]

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 02:26 PM
I don't think it would be a "build it and they will come" type thing unless Gregg has someone better handling his business.

Phil and the Dead's audience overall and especially in that part of the country is much larger Gregg and the ABB's audience. Phil and the Dead's management and business strategies dwarf anything that would be done by Gregg's current management and PR people.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 03:49 PM
I loved Moogis and applaud and thank Butch for taking the risks to make it happen.

Watching shows real time in the comfort of my home was a blast.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 06:32 PM
It would be nice to be able to pay to stream what was on the Moogis audio and video archives. That could help the venture make some of the money back, but not have the high production costs of recording anything new. Just a thought.
 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 08:02 PM
I second the streaming option. I would like to go back and view the 2009 Beacon run one day. I had so much fun watching the entire run from my couch.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 09:19 PM
Happily pony'd up the dough for several shows during the 40th anniversary, and hope they release some of this on DVD sometime. The quality was fantastic.

Sad and sorry to see it shut down with no streaming or pay per view option.

 

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  posted on 1/30/2014 at 10:16 PM
I'm also hoping that now they'll FINALLY release some of these shows on DVD. A 2009 Beacon DVD Box Set would be something I would love to see. It was also said on here 3 or 4 years ago that the 40th anniversary show at the Beacon would be released as a DVD, but it never was. Please Butch, put this stuff on DVD- especially the Clapton shows!!!
 

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  posted on 1/31/2014 at 01:55 AM
Moogis and Flying Frog were both noble efforts by Butch. In the end, the demand wasn't there. There are many of us that subscribed every year, but in the end, there weren't nearly enough paying customers to sustain the business.
 

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  posted on 1/31/2014 at 07:55 AM
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2009 in particular was amazing on Moogis. Glad I subscribed to the years I did.


Agree 100%. Besides the music the chat (we blew the website once or twice) and laughter made that year a truly social experience. It was like being able to talk at a concert without bothering anyone (including oneself) as it was all typing and reading

 

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  posted on 1/31/2014 at 08:46 AM
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I'm also hoping that now they'll FINALLY release some of these shows on DVD. A 2009 Beacon DVD Box Set would be something I would love to see. It was also said on here 3 or 4 years ago that the 40th anniversary show at the Beacon would be released as a DVD, but it never was. Please Butch, put this stuff on DVD- especially the Clapton shows!!!


If Moogis was a money loser, paying DVD royalties to all of those guests artists wouldn't help recover that money.

 
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