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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 05:39 PM
Ok. Not sure what to think. In the latest Warren interview he states that his departure is not a permanent one. I also read in another thread that Derek has mentioned the same thing. Hope this is true.
 
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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 05:50 PM
A while back I read somewhere, maybe even in Gregg's book, or an interview with him or Butch, that this would be the final incarnation of the band and once it would down they might do a few shows a year. I'm guessing that is still the case and I suspect this lineup will be back for Wanee or Peach next year, if not the next. Maybe even a Beacon run, but I think the overall message is that TTB and Gov't Mule will no longer be working around ABB scheduling concerns and if Derek & Warren are busy then it's a no go until they have time. That's what I have gleaned from all the news and and interviews and press releases, oh my. Maybe I'm way off.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 06:05 PM
That is not exactly what Warren said and as for Derek I am assuming you read a sarcastic post that was absolutely not a quote of what Derek actually said.
 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 07:06 PM
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Ok. Not sure what to think. In the latest Warren interview he states that his departure is not a permanent one. I also read in another thread that Derek has mentioned the same thing. Hope this is true.


He didn't say it wasn't a permanent one either.

The Derek quote was someone being sarcastic, he didn't say the same thing.

Either way, are we on thread # 1,000 about pretty much the same topic at this point?


 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 07:14 PM
This is starting to remind me of those Sprint ad's with James Earl Jones and Malcolm McDowell!

Warren: I think I'm leaving the Allman Brothers.

Derek: Me too!

Warren: But I might not.

Derek: Well, text me if you do.

Warren: Okay ... but I probably won't. ... But I might.

One thing is certain. We will not receive any clarification on this website.

[Edited on 1/16/2014 by Rusty]

 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 07:37 PM
Rusty,
Too funny

 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 08:18 PM
Rusty, thank you for a good laugh!
 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 08:59 PM
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Ok. Not sure what to think. In the latest Warren interview he states that his departure is not a permanent one. I also read in another thread that Derek has mentioned the same thing. Hope this is true.


He didn't say it wasn't a permanent one either.

The Derek quote was someone being sarcastic, he didn't say the same thing.

Either way, are we on thread # 1,000 about pretty much the same topic at this point?




I am pleased to take credit for the sarcastic post, repeated here for anyone who did not see it:

In a separate interview Derek clarified the terms of his departure and said he's not leaving the ABB, just taking a hiatus, like he has done from the DTB.

 

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 09:55 PM
With a band of guys pushing 70, a long break is the same thing as quitting. I'm not sure what they said in these interviews, but they're leaving the band. That was the point. I think they weren't ruling out a guest appearance if things happen to shake out that way. There doesn't seem to be any ill will here. They spent maybe two months a year on the ABB and the implication is that even that is too much right now because they want to focus on their own bands and their families.
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In a separate interview Derek clarified the terms of his departure and said he's not leaving the ABB, just taking a hiatus, like he has done from the DTB.

The dTb is done. It was clear pretty early in the "hiatus" (or even before it started) that the band was going away for good.

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  posted on 1/15/2014 at 10:02 PM
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With a band of guys pushing 70, a long break is the same thing as quitting. I'm not sure what they said in these interviews, but they're leaving the band. That was the point. I think they weren't ruling out a guest appearance if things happen to shake out that way. There doesn't seem to be any ill will here. They spent maybe two months a year on the ABB and the implication is that even that is too much right now because they want to focus on their own bands and their families.
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In a separate interview Derek clarified the terms of his departure and said he's not leaving the ABB, just taking a hiatus, like he has done from the DTB.

The dTb is done. It was clear pretty early in the "hiatus" (or even before it started) that the band was going away for good.

[Edited on 1/16/2014 by Marley]


You must have missed the line preceding the quote:

I am pleased to take credit for the sarcastic post, repeated here for anyone who did not see it

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 09:53 AM
Ah.

I assume the "long break" thing comes from that short interview with Warren in RS: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/warren-haynes-on-leaving-allmans-its -not-as-big-a-surprise-20140114

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In the latest Warren interview he states that his departure is not a permanent one.

He said this is a good place to stop and "we'll see" about playing with the band after 2014. Don't count on it.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 10:15 AM
I think an analogy could be drawn from the Phil Lesh & Friends camp or history. Jimmy & Warren are no longer "members" on Phil Lesh's payroll or under contract as they were in 2001-2004 when the PLQ was touring together. But they occasionally do one-off shows or a long weekend of shows when the opportunity or right occasion presents itself. After 2014 Derek & Warren will no longer be in the ABB organization or on payroll/contract/retainer, but it doesn't mean they are ruling out ever playing with the original 3 (or current lineup) again forever and ever. And also like Phil Lesh & Friends, it also gives the original 3 more space or flexibility in the future to do an "Allman Brothers Band" gig with other players (e.g., if Warren or Derek or Oteil aren't available due to other commitments), whether that be with other former lineups or former members or someone altogether new for a one-off situation.

What Warren & Derek have done is given the fanbase a heads-up that this is the last year the current lineup is committed to playing together to let the fence-sitting fans know in advance before tickets go on sale. Don't put off Beacon or Wanee in 2014 using the rationale that there's always next year (as perhaps in year's past), because there might not be.

Why the ABB organization has remained silent is beyond me though. PR disaster.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 10:20 AM
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PR disaster.


That is actually the name of the PR firm who handles their account.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 11:20 AM
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Why the ABB organization has remained silent is beyond me though. PR disaster.

It's too late. They should've been part of the initial announcement and there's nothing for them to say now.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 11:37 AM
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That is actually the name of the PR firm who handles their account.



LOL! I just came close to "coffee on the keyboard" here...

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 11:56 AM
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It's too late. They should've been part of the initial announcement and there's nothing for them to say now.


Oh, I agree completely. But still beyond me why the original announcement wasn't either from the ABB exclusively, or if Derek and Warren insisted on announcements from their respective channels, at least coordinate it through all 3 channels simultaneously. At the very least the ABB should have responded within days (if not hours) to calm down fans and thank/congratulate Warren/Derek.

This was a debacle. And downright weird.

But my earlier point was that this isn't necessarily all doom & gloom and a "never ever forever and ever" situation.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 12:19 PM
A quote from Gregg in the press release would have been perfect thanking them for his service. Since he probably had no idea what to say about the band post-Warren & Derek, they didn't include anything. Still, a nice "Thanks for all your time. It's been. Look forward to collaborating in the future. Go support their bands" type of quote would have been nice.

Don't think for a second though that there would have been fewer people demanding to know the ABB's 2015 plans and complaining that he did nothing to clear that up.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 12:23 PM
Wott do you expect from a group that fires by fax?


Typical management clusterf%^k.

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 12:39 PM
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But my earlier point was that this isn't necessarily all doom & gloom and a "never ever forever and ever" situation.

"2014 will be our final year as part of the band" is pretty definitive. They both took pains to emphasize that this is happening on friendly-ish terms and that they're not opposed to playing with the other ABB members in the future in some form, and I'm sure they meant those things. But they're not going to rejoin the band and keep playing the schedule they've been playing, and they already don't play that many dates.

Warren and Derek they don't spend much time with the ABB now, maybe 30 or 40 dates a year with a few weeks at the Beacon, then Wanee, then a few weeks on the road in the summer. They've decided they don't want even that limited time commitment. Their own bands and families are not going to go away, those are permanent parts of their lives. So what's left to return for? A handful of theater and festival dates here and there?

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 01:08 PM
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They've decided they don't want even that limited time commitment.


Exactly. We don't know the legal details of contractual rights and obligations among all the members, but I have to think it has required them to make their time available first to the ABB and everything else was secondary. Perhaps they just decided to re-prioritize by removing their legal obligations to the ABB completely. It also gives the principal members more flexibility in the future, whatever those plans may be (if at all).

So an answer to your final question could be "sure, if the stars align scheduling-wise". But the bands that are now considered to be side projects become the primary projects, so if Mule or TTB has a better touring opportunity in Australia or the West Coast that they would rather focus on, or whatever, then the "Allman Brothers Band" could still play Bonnaroo or Lockn with Warren and Jimmy or whomever. Or not.

To me, it seems like this is a cut-off of obligations to the band, but it doesn't necessarily close the door while it does give flexibility in the future to everybody. And still lets the fans know that this is the final year the members are committed to this lineup and playing shows, so don't put off getting tickets this year with the thought that you can always see them next year. You might not (or probably won't).

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 01:16 PM
I still am amazed that so many people need the ABB camp to say something. They will say something when there is something to be said. Warren and Derek have annouced there intentions, Gregg has made a comment, the shows are going on this year, what else do you need to know that effects any of us - really? Nothing............

 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 01:45 PM
Does it matter, not really. However it's just good business to do a press release from all sides. Most major bands have management who would do that.
 

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 01:58 PM
I think it would be cool do something like Count Basie or BB King would do from time to time---have an invitation only audition. That's how both Oteil and Allen got in. The could look to good regional talent. Brian Cameron of the Reluctant Saints would probably have a decent chance. Early 30's, great player/singer. He'd be a great fit. Maybe Kirby Kelley from Dallas. Great player, won the King of The Blues National contest about 5 years ago. He's about 50.

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 02:07 PM
It does not matter what (or if) ABB management says anything, since you would not be able to put much stock in what they say. Remember the letter that Gregg "wrote" following Autopen?

Likewise, Derek and Warren saying everything was amicable does not mean anything either. It looks better for all involved if they say it was friendly, regardless of what really happened. We probably wont'know if anything did go down until Derek and Warren both write their memoirs.

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  posted on 1/16/2014 at 02:19 PM
Rather like The Who and the Rolling Stones...

 

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