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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 09:30 AM
I think they should and I cannot understand why anyone, starting with the band, would have problem with this.

Warren revived the band with his songwriting and clearly he knew the type of sound that ABB fans like. There are A LOT of very talented musicians out there and I'll bet the band could have at least two albums' worth of ready-to-play songs by summer is they wanted.

If the ABB have halfway decent representation, I'm sure a mutually beneficia deal concerning royalties could be worked out and it seems to me that most of the $$$ these days comes from touring anyway. I think tour ticket sales would get a shot in the arm with some new ABB material don't you?

I would love to hear Gregg sing some fresh originals over some sweet twin guitar harmonies again and I don't care who writes 'em. What do you think?

 
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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 10:04 AM
I'll do it.

Problem solved.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 10:36 AM
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I'll do it.

Problem solved.



See how easy that was???!!

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 03:46 PM
I personally hate it when bands use songwriters. It killed my feeling about Aerosmith for instance. The Allman Brothers could write songs, they choose not to do so. Warren & Gregg could probably churn out an album of songs in a month or so if they tried, especially with input from Derek & Oteil, but again they choose not to. I think "Just Another Rider" is a great tune and I really liked the ABB doing Warren's "River's Gonna Rise" which could have been a really great ABB tune. Songs are there but they chose new covers instead of their own material. maybe it's just Butch holding out since Gregg, Derek and Warren have all put out records recently. Yes, Gregg's was pretty much all covers but the interest in making music is there. It's time to pool resources and put out a record of their own material. But please, no song doctors or professional song writers spitting out lowest-common-denominator formulaic crap for the masses.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 04:12 PM
I consider the musicians I like to be artists. Not cover bands. Even when covering songs, bands like the Grateful Dead, ABB, Gov't Mule actually make cover songs their own. I don't want new material just for the sake of new material. I think songs should mark the growth of an individual. They should tell their life's story.

It seems that many older artists spend their creative allotment while young. I don't know why that is but I still don't want some youngster stepping in and writing someone else's story.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 04:28 PM
I get and agree with the preference for Gregg penned songs but it just ain't gunna happen. The last time Gregg wrote a song in his own was 22-23 YEARS ago in 1991! (Get On With Your Life)

I could be wrong, but I seriously doubt anyone in the band would balk at another band member bringing in original material to play. "Whoah Derek! Nice instrumental but I think we ought play a 10 minute version of 'Blind Willie McTell instead."
Seriously doubt that.

Think how psyched Warren must be that Don Was is the musical director for the Gregg tribute show! He has been carrying the ABB for decades now and it must be nuce to be involved in an ABB project where he is not in respinsible for putting it all together. I'd wadger the lack of ABB output from Warren is due to fatigue. I have no doubt he could write and produce a top-notch ABB album within a year, but my guess is he is probably looking for some recipitory creativity at this point; Warren already has two other bands where he is the only writer, why make the ABB the third?


That besides, Warren was hired to and did write songs for the band. That worked out pretty well.

We've heard the ABB do covers (well for the most part) for 10 years now, why Not hear them 'cover' songs written to their strengths?

... By the way, I REALLY don't think it's fair to gauge the potential of The Allman Brothers and what they are capable of by comparing them to, um, Areosmith.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 04:36 PM
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The Allman Brothers could write songs, they choose not to do so. Warren & Gregg could probably churn out an album of songs in a month or so if they tried, especially with input from Derek & Oteil, but again they choose not to.


Agreed. When are the fans on this board gonna quit making excuses for these guys?.

Gregg, could but will not, for what ever reason. Laziness, lack of drive, perhaps it has just become to easy to sit back and play the same old songs over and over and over. Why not?...He has his worshipers who are more than happy to fork out $$ to Hear "Melissa" & "Midnight Rider" for the thousandth time.

Warren?.. My guess is that he, (the gentle man that he is) has become wary and tired of doing all the work. Gregg won't write, Derek does not write and the rest just nod their heads and say "That sounds good".. I'll wager Mr. Haynes is more than content to take the bulk of his creations to the Mule and play them there.

The brothers have officially joined Lynyrd Skynyrd on the gravy train. Just take the money and go out there and play "One Way Out"....one more time.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 04:55 PM
No, what I would love is for the ABB to hole up in Derek's studio for 2 weeks and say "We are going to put all of our solo gigs on hold for now. For 10 days, we are going to jam and bounce ideas back and forth. We may rock out on a few covers or two while we are at it, to keep the flow going. We will record everything. Then, we will spend 4 days going through the tapes to see what is there."

I bet something excellent would be there.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 05:27 PM
So many "fans" of this band are so tough on them, like it's sooooo easy to write an album of QUALITY material. Like, they could do it if they really wanted to. They are just lazy or resting on their laurels. Well fans, writing great songs is not easy. Writing one great song is a major accomplishment. A couple of the current band members (Gregg & Warren) have written some really timeless songs. More than any naysayers on this board have ever done.

That said, I think it's safe to say that Gregg's creative well ran dry about 40 years ago. I wish it wasn't true, but I haven't seen much evidence to the contrary. I hope he proves me wrong before he's done. We'll have to wait and see, but I'm not holding my breath.
My belief is that if he was able to pen a bunch of new songs, he would have already done so.

Warren has also written some solid stuff, but to my ears, his great tunes are also behind him. But, damn, he has written some great ones.

Derek isn't a great songwriter. He has been hiring some of the best in the business to help put together his last 2 albums. Not a knock to Derek. It is just not a natural talent that all great musicans possess.

How many great tunes did Duane Allman write, FFS???

Putting these guys in a studio for 2 weeks could definitely yield some great musical ideas, but lyrics?....Too many of the last bunch of Mule albums sound like the lyrics have been fabricated in the studio. And, in my opinion, many of the lyrics sound like they were last minute, thrown-together, "what rhymes with this word" sort of crap.

I would rather hear a bunch of Allman-ized covers than a bunch of forced songs that don't hold a candle to the classic output.

And to those who feel that The Brothers have gone the way of Skynyrd???? Get over yourself. You sound like a fool. See 3 Skynyrd shows back to back. Same songs, same order, same comments from JVZ, same guitar solos, same old. Oh, but they put out new material. And its all Dog $h!t that doesn't come close to any of the pre-crash material.
This is not the current formula of the Allman Brothers Band. The setlists change nightly. Their play list is extensive. The solos are never the same (except maybe Midnight Rider), and they are being played by, for my money, the 2 best guitarists in the business.

Enjoy it before it's gone. I damn sure will.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 05:52 PM
Oteil and Derek should write some more instrumentals. Egypt is a killer tune!

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 06:42 PM
The Allman Brothers Band has, in effect, become a side project for Warren, Derek, and possibly even Greg

Sure, I would love to hear new material but it's unlikely to happen.

I agree with RPMcMurphy (and I think we are in the minority) in that I enjoy a good, Allman re arranged cover (but my nickname in college was Mr Martini so I guess I have to agree with him)

for me, it's all about the jamming and musicianship the songs are just frameworks for that. Sure, there are some exceptions, but my favorite songs ie Dreams, Blue Sky, IMOER all have great jams.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 07:03 PM
Warren sure has not had writer's block. He says he writes songs that would fit all his projects. Love Just Another Rider he wrote for Gregg's album. Would love to hear Greg sing Back Where We Started that Warren wrote for the DTB album. Warren, Derek, Greg and Jaimoe have all released new albums in the last few years. Why can't the Band release a new one?
 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 07:04 PM
I usually stay out of these type of fights, but this caught my attention:

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The brothers have officially joined Lynyrd Skynyrd on the gravy train.


Have you seen skynyrd? Every move is choreographed, every note played as planned... Can't compare. I personally enjoy Warren singing Van, which I know a lot of people despise.

It was tremendous when ABB were writing and performing new material, but I think it's pretty great that they're still playing high quality shows and I generally savor them all. Anyone who saw GA at the Beacon of Wanee in 2012 should know not to take anything for granted. His recovery since is remarkable. It seems odd to expect it to now continue on to suddenly writing a bunch of new material.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 07:13 PM
Skynard is so bush-league yet they managed to put out a new studio album in 2012 . Hmmmm....

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 07:30 PM
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I usually stay out of these type of fights, but this caught my attention:

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The brothers have officially joined Lynyrd Skynyrd on the gravy train.


Have you seen skynyrd? Every move is choreographed, every note played as planned... Can't compare. I personally enjoy Warren singing Van, which I know a lot of people despise.

It was tremendous when ABB were writing and performing new material, but I think it's pretty great that they're still playing high quality shows and I generally savor them all. Anyone who saw GA at the Beacon of Wanee in 2012 should know not to take anything for granted. His recovery since is remarkable. It seems odd to expect it to now continue on to suddenly writing a bunch of new material.


Good points. Only thing I'll add is that in Gregg's words he has been writing new material, & there are 2 CD's planned for the coming year (I believe I read that). We've heard that he's been writing for years. At some point if would be nice to hear new stuff. For some reason, this time I'm thinking it may happen. Long time fans are hungry for new Gregg penned songs because we know hes capable of writing quality stuff. He certainly owes no one anything, but if he keeps talking about it, he really should come through.

Anything new at this stage - either ABB or Gregg's solo band are more than welcomed.

This from a recent Sarasota interview.

Q. I read you are returning to the studio with T-Bone Burnett (producer of Allman's acclaimed 2011 solo album "Low Country Blues," a collection of mostly old blues songs). What can you tell me about the material you will be recording?
A. It's kind of a second half of the last one but we've postponed recording to May, just so much stuff going on. There will be classic blues material and stuff I wrote by myself. I got to road test them. You'll hear them in Sarasota.

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 07:31 PM
I would rather the ABB not record anything if they were to put something out anywhere near as horrible as that last Skynyrd output, Nickleback meets Black Oak Arkansas.

[Edited on 1/4/2014 by lukester420]

 

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  posted on 1/3/2014 at 10:17 PM
T-Bone Burnett again.

Whoopee.

Didn't care for the production of the last one.

Now for part two.


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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 02:33 AM
The best part is Gregg saying that after the other two he wants to do an album with Don Was of only Gregg's songs. He never really says new songs though.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 04:54 AM
No.warren and gregg are more than capable but apparently for some reason they don't.
It is just a shame we cant have another studio cd with derek on it.

I dont know why they cant release an EP with Dusk till dawn,spots of time,egypt,bag end and a Gregg song on it.

[Edited on 1/4/2014 by fender31]

 

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 08:58 AM
if the whole band doesn't want to do a new album, especially if it is not cost effective for every band member,
it isn't gonna happen, no matter who the writing team is

Warren may be still writing songs, but since 'Deja Voodoo' I think his songs have kind of gone down hill
and I have been a fan of his since I first heard of him back in the Dickey Betts Band in the late 80's.

I have no hope for a future ABB album, but I've said this for a while ... Warren needs to ditch Gordie Johnson and get a real producer who can tighten up his songs and sound. Warren just makes the record before hand, which I think artistically is great, and then sells it to whoever will issue it. Too much freedom is making too much of a sporadic mess.

Then Derek, on the other hand, went old school. Built his own studio, hired a producer, and had a major label. They still have a large amount of control but the label is helping the product get more notice.

The ABB, since deciding to co-manage themselves with Bert and having fired their tour manager, are fading now. It is their 45th anniversary this year, but the off shoots are where it's at now.

Of course, your mileage may vary ...






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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 09:17 AM
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No.warren and gregg are more than capable but apparently for some reason they don't.
It is just a shame we cant have another studio cd with derek on it.

I dont know why they cant release an EP with Dusk till dawn,spots of time,egypt,bag end and a Gregg song on it.

[Edited on 1/4/2014 by fender31]


You could have an album as BigV and others have pointed out. But if you are waiting for all originals, it won't happen. Can't have it both ways.

The notion of Gregg releasinng a new album of all original material on his own is comical. Even with Warren writing too, they can't fire out the tunes and definitely not quality songs so it has been and will be years before that would happen. I agree with others about Warren's songs and have said the same about a producer for years. At least 20 mid tempo songs on the last few albums that all sound like a variation of the same song. Love Warren and the Mule but I would be lying to say the albums have slipped which is perfectly normal. Plus writing for the ABB Phil and the WHB has tapped that well pretty hard.

Now sit down and hammer out some covers and a few of the songs they have, that is doable. I would prefer an album of covers with the ABB than Gregg solo again.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 10:16 AM
Wow, tough crowd.

I actually think Shout is one of Gov't Mule's best album in terms of songwriting. World Boss, Captured, Whisper In Your Soul, Stoop So Low and Funny Little Tragedy are all very solid songs in my book. If you like Gov't Mule and you don't like those, not sure what you like>

**I find it hilarious that people think Gregg is still capable of writing a song. The guy doesn't even know who the bass player in the band is. Add to the fact that he has written exactly ONE song by himself in the last 22 years and wrote, what?, maybe 12 others of dubious quality since 1975? You guys think seriously think he can just crank em out? That's hilarious.**

Feel like this thread has gotten off track though.

The question is not "will there ever be a new album" or "Can Gregg and Warren still write."

The question is, would you have a problem with or like to see someone outside the band write some material for them?

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 11:21 AM
I do think having outside writers work WITH Derek and Susan has worked well. It could work with the Allmans too.
 

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 12:58 PM
Some people here need a little perspective. Gregg and the ABB have already proven themselves to be excellent songwriters worthy of their HOF induction. Between the ABB early studio albums, to Gregg's solo albums, there are plenty of original gems. There aren't too many bands that crank out original hit albums for over 4 decades. For this band to still be together, touring, and playing at a very high level, is an incredible feat, and worthy of the highest praises. It is ridiculous to put them in the same category as Skynyrd, and label them an oldies act.

Secondly, remember why we love Eat A Peach and LAFE....because of the insane musicianship within the structure of the written songs. Were you upset on LAFE when you heard the covers of Statesboro Blues, Done Somebody Wrong, Stormy Monday, Trouble No More, etc? Or were you blown away by what they did with those classics? Sure, it would be nice to get some quality new originals, but if they don't produce them, it shouldn't take anything away from what makes this band so great. For me, I can gladly see them 20 more times playing their classics, because I know each time I hear them, it will be played in a unique way, with a different tempo, different amount of measures, different intros, different outros, and different solos. And we know for sure they are going to play the hell out of their instruments and blow the roof off whatever joint they are in. That's a lot more than I can say for 90% of the bands out there now from any era.

 

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  posted on 1/4/2014 at 01:04 PM
^^^
What he said

 
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