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  posted on 12/19/2013 at 11:32 PM
If Republicans were smart, they'd distance themselves as far away as possible from the Tea Party.





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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 12:43 AM
I'd rather distance myself from both parties.

Vote Libertarian!

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 01:01 AM
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I'd rather distance myself from both parties.

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I do.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 04:44 AM


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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 06:53 AM
I can't believe the Tea Party is still relevant, and the fact that it is concerns me. The merging of an ultra conservative political ideology with religious fervor and the idea that "God is on our political side" at the expense of reasoned discourse and the acknowledgement that human beings posess free will and the ability to chose thier own belief system and lifestyles, whether I agree with such choices or not, is disturbing to me.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 07:20 AM
Funny how the same people who were screaming about firing Martin Bashir because of his Palin comments and boycotting the Dixie Chicks because of Natalie Maines anti Bush comment (which was 100% true) are all now screaming freedom of speech for this old hillbilly duck call guy. A&E has every right to suspend or fire him if they feel he is negatively impacting their brand.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 08:03 AM
From a 1st Ammendment standpoint, he can say whatever he wants. Doesn't mean that he's right or wrong. A & E also has the right I'm assuming based upon his contract to suspend him. I suspect they looked at the bottom line and saw him as more of a liability than an asset for his words. From a $$$ standpoint, I'm not sure that is correct...who knows. Then again, maybe his bigoted thoughts alone were enough to alienate the network.

It'll be interesting to see what stores like Walmart do since they sell a lot of the DD goods. Will WMT turn their back on him and play political correctness, or will they find that the controversy increases demand? Stay tuned.

I don't watch this show, as there are far more educational and mind challenging shows on TV like Pawn Stars, Finding Bigfoot, and Call Of The Wildman. Oh, and then there's Roller Derby.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 08:38 AM
just a little something from Matt Taibbi

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/sarah-palins-impressive ly-incoherent-duck-dynasty-comments-20131219

Sarah Palin's Impressively Incoherent 'Duck Dynasty' Comments
By Matt Taibbi
POSTED: December 19, 2:35 PM ET

I was bummed when she decided not to run for president the last time around. It would have been hard to find a challenger to Barack Obama less funny than Mitt Romney (notwithstanding Barrett Foa's outstanding "I Believe" Romney-musical spoof), and because the president himself isn't exactly a barrel of laughs, we ended up with one of the unfunniest (and also angriest) White House races in history.

That opportunity is lost, but it's still fun when Palin injects herself into the news. She's done so this week by jumping to the defense of Duck Dynasty's patriarch Phil Robertson, who remarkably got himself suspended from his own smash-hit reality TV show by extolling the virtues of the vagina over the anus in the pages of GQ (in an interview by the always-excellent Drew Magary). Robertson was professing, one might even say over-professing, his ignorance as to the appeal of gay sex – he put it this way:

It seems like, to me, a vagina – as a man – would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: There's more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes . . . But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical.

There's more there. Take that, anus! Robertson went on to provide a less bizarre, more Biblical explanation for his opposition to homosexuality. Then, in a separate piece on the GQ site, he also offered a 20th-century America version of Holocaust denial.

He said that as a young person in pre-civil rights Louisiana, he "never . . . saw the mistreatment of any black person" and that black people were happy (happier?) back then:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.

After all of this came out, A&E suspended the show more or less immediately amid a blizzard of "That guy we just spent years turning into a rock star sure as heck doesn't represent the views of our ad-sales department!" denials. This of course immediately inspired howls of protest from Duck fans and conservative politicians alike.

Sarah Palin, ably staying in character in her new role as a professional media ambulance-chaser, was one of the first to rush to Robertson's defense. She posted a photo of herself with the Robertsons and tweeted the following:

Free speech is endangered species; those "intolerants" hatin' & taking on Duck Dynasty patriarch for voicing personal opinion take on us all

Conservatives have always had trouble grasping the difference between public censorship and private enterprise. With a few exceptions, like whistleblower laws and National Labor Relations Board protections against being fired for off-site discussions about work conditions (exceptions that, in almost every case, conservatives bitterly opposed), there is no legal or constitutional right to free speech on private property.

You can be fired for calling your boss a dick, and you can just as easily be let go by a profit-seeking media company for imperiling its relationship with advertisers. And incidentally, this is the way true conservatives, and especially true hardcore speech advocates, have always wanted it.

Could you imagine the uproar if someone passed a law saying that Martin Bashir couldn't be bounced from a broadcast job for saying Sarah Palin was a good candidate to have feces shoved in her mouth? Now that would be censorship.

Remember, nobody heard a peep from Sarah Palin about free speech after that episode. Bashir earlier this year tiptoed across the line in an angry diatribe about Palin's invocation of slavery imagery, which she had somewhat amazingly used to describe the suffering (presumably white) middle Americans will feel when they are forced to pay for the "free stuff" the Obama administration is handing out, i.e. health care:

Our free stuff today is being paid for today by taking money from our children and borrowing from China. When that money comes due and, this isn't racist, so try it, try it anyway, this isn't racist, but it's going to be like slavery when that note is due. Right? We are going to be beholden to a foreign master.

She elaborated:

And it is in a way, it is slavery in a way, because it is making all of us subservient to the government, and it was never about health care. It was about control.

Palin's mind is amazing. Slavery was purely a private-enterprise abomination. It had nothing to do with being subservient to the government. It was the opposite of that, actually. She was also wrong in the sense that the health care program isn't "free stuff" (even those who will receive subsidized care will be paying in one form or another for their policies).

So she pulled off a Friedman-esque anatomical impossibility there, getting three feet in her mouth at the same time.

First, she was wrong about slavery. Then she was wrong about health care. Then, thirdly, she was almost insanely insensitive and inappropriate in her use of the word slavery at all, comparing white middle class angst over having to partially subsidize health care for their poor (and mostly nonwhite) neighbors to being whipped and tortured across generations of institutional racist terror.

Bashir reacted to this by telling a story about slaves who were forced to defecate in each others' mouths, and then suggested that Palin, having "scraped the barrel of her long-deceased mind," was a "good candidate" for the same treatment. Soon after, he was essentially forced out of the network.

Again, Palin had no problem with that. In fact, Palin lauded the network once Bashir was out:

It was refreshing to see though, that many in the media did come out and say, 'Look, our standards have got to be higher than this . . .'

The thing is, Robertson's ouster by A&E was exactly the same sort of move – a network sucking it up and distancing itself from an on-air figure because of controversial speech. But because Robertson's views were ones Palin apparently agrees with, suddenly she wasn't talking about anything being refreshing, but instead cried that "free speech is an endangered species."

Palin's inability to grasp the difference between a first-amendment violation and corporate calculation is amazing because she literally just published a book on the subject. Her newly-released War-on-Christmas diatribe, Good Tidings and Great Joy, is all about the efforts by evil Jesus-hating atheists to sue the Christmas out of our public lives. (It's one of the funniest things ever written, by the way. I would write a review but I don't think I could make it all the way to the end without a cardiac episode).

In writing this new book, Palin presumably spent the whole of the last year or so staring right at the issue of what may be said on private property versus what may be said on public property – the difference between putting up a nativity scene in front of a courthouse and putting one up on your lawn. Yet as this latest controversy shows, the underlying issue is still a total blur to her.

Of course, Palin has a long history of getting things not just wrong, but exactly wrong. In the book, for instance, she describes buying her husband Todd "a nice, needed powerful gun" in the wake of the Sandy Hook shootings and resulting anti-gun fervor. She described this warm act as a "small act of civil disobedience" that was "fun."

As Alex Falcone for the Portland Mercury noted in this humorous review, this gets the term "civil disobedience" perfectly backwards:

Not only is that a hilarious re-purposing of a term with a noble history, it's also a perfect misuse of BOTH WORDS. Buying guns is both legal and dangerous, making it an act of uncivil obedience.

Anyway, this whole episode speaks to a bigger dilemma facing the Republican Party. Like Palin, the party itself hasn't seemed to grasp the fact that the country's broad rejection of its base's more extreme views on things like race, class and gender isn't some injustice to be railed against, but plain demographic truth.

If your "moderate" presidential candidate from 2012, the guy who was bashed by the party base for being insufficiently hardcore, is a guy who essentially said, after a failed speech to the N.A.A.C.P., that all black voters want is "free stuff," then you're just not going to win a lot of elections in a country that's going to be majority nonwhite within a few decades.

Similarly, if your party's political rhetoric is full of suggestions that poor people are poor because they don't like to work, well, you're not going to win a lot of votes from poor people, who also happen to be increasingly many in number. That's not a misunderstanding or an injustice, that's just a fact.

Whether or not Robertson and his entertainingly hairy family should have been fired is beside the point. The point is that A&E realized there was no way to make the numbers work if they had a guy who thinks black people were happier before civil rights as a front man.

It surely wasn't personal, but just a business decision, and not a terribly hard one, either. It's weird that the Republican Party has such trouble making the same kind of call in choosing its leading characters.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:09 AM
This whole duck dynasty story is silly. Phil Robertson and A&E BOTH have freedom of speech. Neither should be persecuted. If anyone here on this thread started their own business, and one of your employees started spouting offensive remarks that drove customers away, we'd fire them too, even if we agreed. When it comes to business and profits, companies can and should do whatever is necessary to protect its assets. I have no problem with Phil's opinion, although I don't agree, but he made a mistake going public with those comments.
 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:19 AM
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I don't watch this show, as there are far more educational and mind challenging shows on TV like Pawn Stars, Finding Bigfoot, and Call Of The Wildman. Oh, and then there's Roller Derby.


And coming in 2014 on Animal Planet, Cold River Cash! About eel fisherman here in the great State of Maine. This is one you won't want to miss!!

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:21 AM
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just a little something from Matt Taibbi

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/blogs/taibblog/sarah-palins-impressive ly-incoherent-duck-dynasty-comments-20131219


I don't know what is more troubling...the fact that she still gets media attention, or the fact that there are people who still think she would make a good POTUS (or any other elected position for that matter).

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:24 AM
The next episode of Duck Dynasty that I watch will also be the first. I just haven't had the Kool-aid.

I also have not heard or read his actual words. I heard a story on NPR where a reporter pretty much paraphrased what he said (maybe even embellished).

I don't know the guy or what his religious beliefs are. I have had it pointed out to me that the Bible does ... frown upon "men laying with men". I am not a Bible reader or a church goer (funerals and weddings only).

If the guy is a stern believer in his religion and in his bible, he has every right to speak his mind on the subject.

As stated, A&E has their right to react.

Personally, I think we've all gotten a little thinned skin in recent years. Mama used to say, "sticks and stones ....".

Funny thing in instances like this. If this Duck Man's fans come to his support (from what I understand these guys are HUGE) and sales of DVD's and other merch begin to soar - A&E might have a change of heart. I remember when Mel Gibson offended many of the Hollywood crowd with his Jesus movie.

When it turned out that his film was actually making money - many of the studios did an about face. They suddenly either wanted in on his movie, or started making Jesus flicks of their own.

Personally, when I hear or read something that I don't like I just roll my eyes, turn and walk the other way.

Just sayin'.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:25 AM
What I find disturbing is that people who hold or aspire to political office do not understand basic premises of our government. Free speech means freedom from government censorship. It has nothing to do w/commerce.

Palin and Cruz inserting themselves into the muck of a reality show and its network is just odd.


 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:26 AM
DD is a huge hit precisely because of it's conservative, Christian attributes. Now the star is punished by A&E for voicing his opinion in a magazine article? Stupid move IMO.
 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:28 AM
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It seems like, to me, a vagina – as a man – would be more desirable than a man's anus. That's just me. I'm just thinking: There's more there! She's got more to offer. I mean, come on, dudes . . . But hey, sin: It's not logical, my man. It's just not logical.

He said that as a young person in pre-civil rights Louisiana, he "never . . . saw the mistreatment of any black person" and that black people were happy (happier?) back then:

Pre-entitlement, pre-welfare, you say: Were they happy? They were godly; they were happy; no one was singing the blues.


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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:43 AM
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What I find disturbing is that people who hold or aspire to political office do not understand basic premises of our government. Free speech means freedom from government censorship. It has nothing to do w/commerce.



Neither does the firing of Robertson. It was a political, PC decision that had little or nothing to do with commerce.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 10:47 AM
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If Republicans were smart, they'd distance themselves as far away as possible from the Tea Party.
And become what..... Democrats?

About the only thing keeping them from being Democrats is the Tea Party influence.

One can always tell what the other guy fears by the depth of their reaction. If the Tea Party wasn't having an effect, there'd be no need for the hostile and slanderous language it's opponents often express against it. Measured by that, they must be doing a good job.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 11:14 AM
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What I find disturbing is that people who hold or aspire to political office do not understand basic premises of our government. Free speech means freedom from government censorship. It has nothing to do w/commerce.



Neither does the firing of Robertson. It was a political, PC decision that had little or nothing to do with commerce.


Just asking - Do you know that as fact, or are you injecting opinion? Can you paste a reliable A & E factual response that supports your premise

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 11:18 AM
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If Republicans were smart, they'd distance themselves as far away as possible from the Tea Party.
And become what..... Democrats?

About the only thing keeping them from being Democrats is the Tea Party influence.

One can always tell what the other guy fears by the depth of their reaction. If the Tea Party wasn't having an effect, there'd be no need for the hostile and slanderous language it's opponents often express against it. Measured by that, they must be doing a good job.


Factions within the GOP are now finding the Tea Party types difficult / intolerable to work with.

Shutting down the gov't is a positive that reflects the "doing a good job" you reference?

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 11:48 AM
Fujirich, I'm saying that republicans should condemn the social stances of the Tea Party, because any type of a perceived prejudice against a race, religion, class, or sexual orientation, will only lead to a guaranteed loss in the next election. The young voters will rally for the Democratic nominee as we saw with Obama. The Republican Party needs to evolve to accept everyone, mainly gay marriage, while putting a major emphasis on their economic principles. They can with on their economic platform if and only if they evolve on social issues.
 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 12:05 PM
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Fujirich, I'm saying that republicans should condemn the social stances of the Tea Party, because any type of a perceived prejudice against a race, religion, class, or sexual orientation, will only lead to a guaranteed loss in the next election. The young voters will rally for the Democratic nominee as we saw with Obama. The Republican Party needs to evolve to accept everyone, mainly gay marriage, while putting a major emphasis on their economic principles. They can with on their economic platform if and only if they evolve on social issues.


Where is this idea that the Tea Party stands for socially right wing things coming from? My impression of the Tea Party is that it is made up of activits who oppose big government and excessive taxation. When did the Tea Party become equal to the Moral Majority or the Christian Coalition? I don't think they are the same.

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 01:04 PM
Wake up yall, this has nothing to do with politics. It all about money nothing more nothing less!!

The man stated his known opinion publically. His show is sponsored by big companies (Walmart primarily) that went to AE and said, we can't continue sponsoring the show now that he has said that unless you get rid of him! Period. The rest is just all BS. Its $$$$$ folks!!

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 01:10 PM
I must have missed the outrage when Alec Baldwin got fired over homophobic comments.

Personally I'd rather laugh...



http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/12/20/stephen-colbert-passionately-defends- bigotry-of-backwoods-louisiana-bird-murderer/

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 01:12 PM
Is the rest of the season already "in the can"

 

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  posted on 12/20/2013 at 01:20 PM
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DD is a huge hit precisely because of it's conservative, Christian attributes.


Why do you say that? Do you have any info that support this assertion? I've read a few articles speculating on why DD is a success, and I haven's seen conservative, Christian attributes cited as the reason. Not even on FOX news...

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2013/05/03/why-are-shows-like-duck-dyn asty-american-pickers-so-successful/

Also of note is that according to social media research firm Fizziology, most of the online conversation about last week’s show came not from the South where those attributes are prevelent, but rather Los Angeles and the Big Apple which are not exactly hotbeds of conservative attitudes.

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[The firing of Robertson] was a political, PC decision that had little or nothing to do with commerce.


This makes no sense. It was clearly a commerce-driven decision, just like almost every other decision made by companies that are in business to make money.






[Edited on 12/20/2013 by gondicar]

 

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