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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 08:47 AM
Just curious what peoples thoughts/reasoning/ideas why artists and bands play the cities and venues they do.

What brings this up is that back in October, unbeknownst to me, Gregg was playing a gig in Warsaw ,Indiana. That really threw me. Why would he play there vs Indy or FT Wayne. Nothing againstWarsaw, but to me the population base is much greater in the Indy. Warsaw has a nice theater I have heard , but really not close to anywhere except Ft Wayne.

Jake E Lee's new band is going out and they are playing Richmond ,Ind. On the border of Ohio,another small city. Why not closer to a larger city where you might have a bigger fan baseto draw from. I understand he wont play a huge venue. But you might be able to draw more. There are other artist that skip Indy also,and play in other towns. Steve Earle
seems to passover theis area but always plays in Bloomington,Indiana.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 09:30 AM
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Musicians will go where the money is... the promoters in Warsaw probably offered Gregg more money or a garantee that was more interesting than the promoters in Indy or FT Wayne. It might also have to do with logistics.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 09:44 AM
Good question as it relates to Devon Allman tonight playing in my area. It worked out great since I either could not have gone to the two prior local shows this week or was unaware of them.

So tonight he is playing what I presume to be a small show in Austintown, OH. Austintown is about 70 miles from Cleveland (played Monday) and 70 miles from Pittsburgh (played Tuesday). With the Interstate or Turnpike you can be both places in an hour from Austintown. And tonight, Wednesday of this same week he is playing right between both major markets.




 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 10:11 AM
The overhead is much smaller outside of the big city, more of a chance to bring home a bigger profit even if it is less tickets sold.
 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 10:55 AM
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Musicians will go where the money is... the promoters in Warsaw probably offered Gregg more money or a garantee that was more interesting than the promoters in Indy or FT Wayne. It might also have to do with logistics.

BINGO! ABB's Manager told me once that they go where they get the best offers. I gather they don't hunt promoters down and offer their services. Makes sense though. If the promoter reaches out to the band the offer will be better that it would if it were the other way around.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 11:18 AM
It is a simple matter of band management and promoters(ie the money people) deciding on dates and venues the promoter wants to use. Venue availability plays into it, as well. If I am a bar owner, or promoter, who likes Leo Kotke I call his management and ask about dates. Then we decide on price. Normally 50% due at the time of booking and away we ho, ho, ho ..... Someone, a promoter or venue owner, thought they could make $ booking Devon, or whom ever, and decided to do so. David Bromberg played a show in my hometown of about 10,000 people. Unbelievable....I thought I'd see a woman as Prez before David would every play my old Junior High. He did because someone said here is $10k be here Wednesday with your band.

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 11:37 AM
Also, college towns like Bloomington are a special market. I know back in my day, the university student activity fees often went to subsidize shows, so we got some better than Athens-sized town shows. Almost saw Neil w/ a full orchestra before he cancelled. Still pissed!
 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 12:31 PM
It has little to nothing to do with where the bands want to play which is a mistake many people make. The booking agent lets promoters know of availability and cost. The promoters then decide whether or not to buy the show. They base these decisions on many things such as demand for the artist in their area, timing/schedule and how many other artists are booked for around the time. Most important can they make money based on the price the band is asking, venue costs and the price they can demand from buyers. The bands get a guarentee so there is gambling involved if it doesn't sell well and the promoter can take a bath finacially. That can often happen if a band gets booked in the same market too often and the fans skip going. The ABB used to make an annual stop in Toronto then as they sold less it became every 2 years. On the tour with Derek and Jimmy, they played to tons of empty seats and the promoter takes a loss. They have not been booked since. People tend to shy away after taking a loss.

More complex than that but there is a simple answer. If it fits the schedule and they get the money, many bands would play your basement. The owner of the Ottawa Senators hockey team booked The Eagles for a private event because they are his wife's favorite band. The Eagles were not even on tour. But they like money.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 10:11 PM
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It has little to nothing to do with where the bands want to play which is a mistake many people make. The booking agent lets promoters know of availability and cost. The promoters then decide whether or not to buy the show. They base these decisions on many things such as demand for the artist in their area, timing/schedule and how many other artists are booked for around the time. Most important can they make money based on the price the band is asking, venue costs and the price they can demand from buyers. The bands get a guarentee so there is gambling involved if it doesn't sell well and the promoter can take a bath finacially. That can often happen if a band gets booked in the same market too often and the fans skip going. The ABB used to make an annual stop in Toronto then as they sold less it became every 2 years. On the tour with Derek and Jimmy, they played to tons of empty seats and the promoter takes a loss. They have not been booked since. People tend to shy away after taking a loss.

More complex than that but there is a simple answer. If it fits the schedule and they get the money, many bands would play your basement. The owner of the Ottawa Senators hockey team booked The Eagles for a private event because they are his wife's favorite band. The Eagles were not even on tour. But they like money.


and all these years, I thought the bands did it for the love of the music and enjoyed reaching out to their fans.

 

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  posted on 12/18/2013 at 11:22 PM
They love to eat even more.

Even the guy playing in the streets looks for a donation or two. Everyone loves reaching out to the fans so they can reach into their wallets.

 

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  posted on 12/19/2013 at 09:20 AM
It also might depend on the night of the week and the timing of the tour. If it's a midweek night, sometimes you take what you can get, if other theaters are booked. A night playing is always better than a night sitting. Gregg also likes his play 2 nights / 1 night off kind of schedule.
 

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  posted on 12/19/2013 at 12:33 PM
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It has little to nothing to do with where the bands want to play which is a mistake many people make. The booking agent lets promoters know of availability and cost. The promoters then decide whether or not to buy the show. They base these decisions on many things such as demand for the artist in their area, timing/schedule and how many other artists are booked for around the time. Most important can they make money based on the price the band is asking, venue costs and the price they can demand from buyers. The bands get a guarentee so there is gambling involved if it doesn't sell well and the promoter can take a bath finacially. That can often happen if a band gets booked in the same market too often and the fans skip going. The ABB used to make an annual stop in Toronto then as they sold less it became every 2 years. On the tour with Derek and Jimmy, they played to tons of empty seats and the promoter takes a loss. They have not been booked since. People tend to shy away after taking a loss.

More complex than that but there is a simple answer. If it fits the schedule and they get the money, many bands would play your basement. The owner of the Ottawa Senators hockey team booked The Eagles for a private event because they are his wife's favorite band. The Eagles were not even on tour. But they like money.


and all these years, I thought the bands did it for the love of the music and enjoyed reaching out to their fans.


LOL - bands tour to please their fans like hookers have sex to please their Johns

 
 


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