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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 10:24 AM
Anyone into this record? I took it off the shelf a week ago, probably hadn't played it in ten years. Slipped it into the stereo in my car, and now it's hard to get it out. GREAT record! It's well after Peter Gabriel left the band. Doesn't matter...........I'm not a huge Genesis fan by any means, but this record has to be one of their high points, and certainly one of Phil Collins' high points. Just good all the way through, and the music is really dominated by Tony Banks' magnificent synthesizer work. Collins, drums and vocals, Mike Rutherford, bass and guitar. Produced by Genesis, engineered by Hugh Padgham. The production sounds like it easily could have been recorded this year!

ABACAB, released 1981

1. Abacab (T. Banks/Collins/Rutherford)
2. No Reply At All (A. Banks/Collins/Rutherford) (Horns: Earth, Wind and Fire)
3. Me And Sarah Jane (T. Banks)
4. Keep It Dark (T. Banks/Collins/Rutherford)
5. Dodo/Lurker (T. Banks/Collins/Rutherford)
6. Who Dunnit? (T. Banks/Collins/Rutherford)
7. Man On The Corner (Collins)
8. Like It Or Not (Rutherford)
9. Another Record (T. Banks/Collins/Rutherford)





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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 10:32 AM
Well, to each - his own. I sorta liked it when it came out. Later, it represented the Phil Colinization of the band ... not a great thing - for me, personally.

My favorite song was "Me and Sarah Jane" - written by Tony Banks.

I'm sure Phil's a terrific, wonderful, nice guy. It's just that via MTV and classic rock radio I kinda OD'd on his music. If I hear "In the Air Tonight" one more time in the next million years it'll be too many times.

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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 11:05 AM
I thought Man On The Corner was a good song with a really intense vocal, however to me the production on the songs I know on that album scream the 1980's. That's just me though.

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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 12:01 PM
I concur that Abacab is a great album. Diverse songs, but still sounds like Genesis. The title track (album version that wasn't shortened) is one of Genesis' greatest tracks.

There are some great instrumental parts in the record. I don't hear the '80s production techniques that were heard on their later albums (well, maybe a hint on Keep It Dark). Abacab and the studio side released on Three Sides Live represent the last great Genesis music to me. It's a bit more accessible, without being cheezy pop.

I think this album gets unfairly lumped with the Genesis & Collins solo work that followed it, much like Enlightened Rogues and the 1979 ABB tour, get tagged with the Arista years.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 12:20 PM
I pretty much stopped listening to Genesis just before this album (about when it got a little too difficult to descern the difference between "Genesis" & "Phil Collins" (solo) )

DISCLAIMER: My favorite Genesis album is Trick Of The Tail, so I'm not biased against Phil Collins' vocals.

I DID like the title cut from Abacab...had to learn Tony Banks' keyboard parts from that for a cover band I was in at the time. Only really heard the tunes that got airplay, so I guess by saying that, my initial statement above is now marginalized. But, that's how I felt at the time and just kind of have hung on to that. Maybe I should give another listen to the entire album again, since plenty of time has passed now.

 
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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 12:41 PM
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I pretty much stopped listening to Genesis just before this album (about when it got a little too difficult to descern the difference between "Genesis" & "Phil Collins" (solo) )



yea i agree with this. Genesis from this album on didn't do anything for me.

 

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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 06:56 PM
I was hot and cold on the album although I enjoyed the band wholly when I saw this tour. "Dodo Lurker" stands out as a last vestige of prog. A really good tune. But "Who Dunnit?" is perhaps the most obnoxious tune ever put to tape. Lord, it is grating to listen to. I also liked "You Might Recall" from those sessions (later released on the 4th part of Three Sides Live and one of the Archive boxes. The beginning was terribly cheesy, but it had a great bridge and chorus.

This was the lest Genesis album I can tolerate although the dreaded gated drum sound makes it hard for me to listen to these days.

Blooby

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  posted on 11/19/2013 at 10:43 PM
I am a serious freak for the Gabriel years, and I do love "Trick of the Tail" and most of "Wind and Wuthering." I really disliked "And Then There Were Three" though I have not heard it in eons.

However....I really enjoy the self-titled/ "Mama" album! No, I do not love "That's All" and "Illegal Alien" and "Taking It All Too Hard" much (though I think they are very well-crafted bits of fluff, beyond your typical pop stuff), but I do like "Home By the Seas / Second Home," "Just A Job To Do," and "Mama," and can enjoy "Silver Rainbow" and "It's Gonna Get Better." It is a sharp, crisp, well-recorded album.

What sealed my enjoyment of it was that I had picked up a used VHS tape of their concert tour from this album, and it was great - well, I would fast-forward through some parts, and I never did watch the encore of them covering classic rock songs (!?!?!), but the medley of old Genesis tunes, and the version of "Abacab" were smoking.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2013 at 08:37 AM
I just got out it from the library and it still holds up. I am a big fan of "Keep it Dark" and "Me and Sarah Jane."

For me personally, that late 70's/early 80's version of Genesis is my favorite incarnation of theirs.

I saw them on the "Invisible Touch" tour at Three Rivers Stadium and it was an awesome show.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2013 at 08:38 AM
My wife's a huge Genesis fan, all eras, I enjoyed the later Gabriel material and early Collins version of the band. Their last tour was a nice combination of classic and Collins stuff. I think there was a live album of the tour. Fans of the band would love what Steve Hackett is doing these days, recreating Genesis tunes from his tenure in the band.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2013 at 11:27 AM
Upon further review, I have to agree that Who Dunnit is bloody awful. I do think much of the rest of the record has stood up to the test of time.

 

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  posted on 11/20/2013 at 04:53 PM
Listening to Abacab now. I like this album, especially the extended Abacab. I was 14 or 15 when this came out. Remember it being a huge album and the beginning of way too much Genesis and then Phil Collins solo and the worst of the worst Mike and the Mechanics on FM radio. Even at that age I knew it was the beginning of the end for good FM radio.

Like this album and will go search for a good vinyl copy at my local.

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  posted on 11/20/2013 at 11:13 PM
Kinda forgot about Genesis - saw their last tour a few years back. First time back in 86.

Ripples is my fave.....

Sail away, away
Ripples never come back.
Theyve gone to the other side.
Look into the pool,
Ripples never come back,
Dive to the bottom and go to the top
To see where they have gone
Oh, theyve gone to the other side...


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  posted on 11/21/2013 at 08:19 AM
Really surprised to see the love for this album, having just listened to (most of) it on Spotify.

I didn't realise there was so much nostalgia for 1980s synthpop!

The best thing about the 80s was that I saved a fortune on record buying! Then they went and invented the CD and I converted all my classic LPs....




 

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  posted on 11/21/2013 at 03:04 PM
Really have to disagree with anyone that thinks this album is anything near Genesis' best work. All the Gabriel era stuff is fabulous with Foxtrot in my all time top ten. Trick of the Tail is excellent and Wind and Wuthering is pretty good apart from Your Own Special Way - a putrid song which Collins should have done solo and signified the start of the slippery slope ending their musical integrity in search of the big buck, turning into a 4-minute pop song band.

Would love to see a proper Gabriel/Collins/Hacket/Rutherford/Banks reunion, and with some of the comments from Gabriel over the last couple of years, it would seem it's not out of the question.

 

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  posted on 11/21/2013 at 03:43 PM
No Reply At All has a great funky bassline that is very fun to play.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2013 at 07:41 AM
'Abacab' was my introduction to Genesis and the second album/cassette I ever bought.

I always heard the arguements over this album, but still consider it a favorite.

I love all incarnations of Genesis with the exception being their last studio album. Talk about dull.
The Gabriel era and the mid to late 70's era are prog at its best. But music must change. Gabriel moved in
a similar pop direction by the mid 80's and I find it amusing he doesn't take a much flak as the boys in the band.

All in all, this album is something I listen to regularly, more so than any other. After the dividing line of 'Duke' this was the jumping off point for what came after.

Oh, and "Your Own Special Way' was a Mike Rutherford song who also wrote "Follow You, Follow Me".
But I agree this is where they started to go for the sappy love pop

 

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  posted on 11/22/2013 at 11:41 AM
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The Gabriel era and the mid to late 70's era are prog at its best. But music must change. Gabriel moved in
a similar pop direction by the mid 80's and I find it amusing he doesn't take a much flak as the boys in the band.


Thank You for that most astute observation.

"Keep It Dark" is one of my favorite tunes from Abacab, both lyrically and musically. There's something very magical about the tune, Collins singing these lines over Bank's ringing synth. This is certainly not fluff, or empty pop music. It is however, one genius of a tune. I challenge anyone who thinks Abacab is nothing but pop fluff to write anything this interesting.

KEEP IT DARK

Found that man, reported missing,
He wandered in his home.
Don't seem too bad, if you consider,
Just what he's been through.

Seems he met up with a gang of thieves,
Who mistook him for a man of means,
They locked him up then found he had no money,
So they let him go again.
Now he's back at home and happy
Just to see the kids.

I wish, that I could really tell you,
All the things that happened to me
And all that I have seen
A world full of people their hearts full of joy,
Cities of light with no fear of war,
And thousands of creatures with happier lives,
And dreams of a future with meaning and no need to hide.

Keep it dark

It seems strange to have to lie,
About a world so bright.
And tell instead a made up story,
From the world of night.

I wish, that I could really tell you,
All the things that happened to me
And all that I have seen.
A world full of people their hearts full of joy,
Cities of light with no fear of war,
And thousands of creatures with happier lives,
And dreams of a future with meaning and no need to lie.

No need to hate
No need to hide

Keep it dark



[Edited on 11/22/2013 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 11/22/2013 at 02:44 PM
Keep It Dark:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQkiqQ7zZBQ

No Reply At All:

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[Edited on 11/22/2013 by robslob]

 

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  posted on 11/22/2013 at 07:23 PM
It's "interesting" that a once "interesting" band and it's members became so "uninteresting" in the 80's.

 

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  posted on 11/22/2013 at 07:33 PM
Every Genesis album has at least one song that I like; even the poppiest Genesis songs have some interesting chords, licks, time changes. Put those headphones on and listen to "Keep It Dark."

That said, the 1980s were a rough decade for each and every band from the 1960s. From Neil Young to the Who to Yes to Pink Floyd to the Stones to the ABB to Genesis, the 1980s offer the low point.

 

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  posted on 11/23/2013 at 01:16 PM
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Every Genesis album has at least one song that I like; even the poppiest Genesis songs have some interesting chords, licks, time changes. Put those headphones on and listen to "Keep It Dark."

That said, the 1980s were a rough decade for each and every band from the 1960s. From Neil Young to the Who to Yes to Pink Floyd to the Stones to the ABB to Genesis, the 1980s offer the low point.


Agree 100% with everything you have said. Hard to think of anyone who was at their peak in the 80's other than Stevie Ray Vaughan.

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  posted on 11/23/2013 at 04:06 PM
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Hard to think of anyone who was at their peak in the 80's other than Stevie Ray Vaughan.




Good call on Stevie and I might add G-n-R, at least with the debut (IMHO)

 

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  posted on 11/24/2013 at 06:24 PM
I was a huge Genesis fan in the 70s. Got into them in the post Gabriel "Trick Of The Tail" period. Abacab was where they started to lose me. However, When I was a fan I was seeing them at the 1800 capacity Newcastle City Hall. By 1987 they were selling out 4 nights at Wembley Stadium! So, I can't imagine Genesis would be losing any sleep over losing some of their old fanbase, and their new fans obviously didn't think there was a dropoff in quality control. It did become a totally different thing over the years but when I listen to the albums now I totally see the "progresssion"

 

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  posted on 11/24/2013 at 08:29 PM
all said, 'Who Dunnit' whether Ahmet Ertegun thought it should be on the album or not, it is still a stupid piece of crap



I listened to it a couple times again, and I love this album save for that crappy song

 

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