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  posted on 11/13/2013 at 09:58 PM
There are many things that make the jobs we have at HTN enjoyable. First and foremost, listening to, absorbing and interacting with our favorite bands and their respective camps. Second, (inspired by the first) is putting together the magazine (can’t believe it’s been 21 years). Third, putting out projects that contribute to the legacies of these bands.

One of the projects we are currently working on is “10 Years of ABB Live.” Hard to believe it’s been ten years - time flies by like hurricanes and much faster things. On a three disc compilation, we are going to put together our selection from the past ten years. This will be the bonus package that goes in the 2013 Complete Set and we hope that it will be something we can offer to everyone.

There are so many directions this effort can go that we thought we would open it up for discussion. The folks on this website are some of the most informed fans we know and we would welcome your input. Here are some of the thoughts going through our heads:

Do we make this a “best-of” package? If so, the best versions of each song? The best version with guest? The best version of unreleased (in terms of studio) songs? Do we use more than one version of a song? Remember those epic Dreams back in 2004 at the Fox Theatre in Atlanta, GA? Jack Pearson playing lead on Friday night; Derek playing lead on Saturday; Warren closing it out on Sunday! We could do the whole three discs just from performances in 2009 - the best we ever saw this band…but that doesn’t seem quite right, does it?

What do you think? How would you go about it?

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[Edited on 11/21/2013 by JNB]

 

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  posted on 11/13/2013 at 10:33 PM
Sounds like a great idea Joe -- no matter what you do, you can't go wrong

Perhaps taking a "best-of" approach might be a good approach -- heavens knows there enough to pick from

EC's appearance at the Beacon -- one of the Mtn. Jams at the 2006 Beacon run, which many have spoken so well of -- as you say, the 2009 run was steallar, my evidence being the Gilford show

The 2004 show at Great Woods, which opens w/Mtn. Jam>Afro Blue>into orbit from there -- Derek's lead on WP from the 10/2005 Atlanta show -- some of the sit-ins with Chuck/Jack etc. -- again it sounds real nice -- anything that comes out I know I'll like

 

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  posted on 11/13/2013 at 10:35 PM
My first request would be to not limit the distribution of the set as a bonus only compilation. Maybe a bonus CD for the 2013 box, but make songs available as a download to anyone else.

Second, keep the flow much like a concert itself (IMHO).

Why limit it to only three discs? Maybe four or multiple two or three disc sets

 

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A 3-disc compilation most likely means about 30 songs total. Since we have only 30 tracks to work with, I would keep the special guest tracks to a minimum. Certainly, we need Clapton and Pearson to appear somewhere in the set, as well as Ronnie Halloway and Bruce Katz. But the large majority of the tracks should be the 7 current members, because a lot of the guests, while fun to see and hear, forced the band to slow down a bit, in my opinion.

That being said, the 30 tracks should be the best versions of each song. There can be duplicate songs if it is determined that there are 3 versions of "Done Somebody Wrong", "Dreams", or "Liz Reed", that stand out, for example. I nominate "Liz Reed" from 3/19/05 - you can't go wrong with this insane performance. Also look to 3/21/03 for one the best shows ever.

I also think this thread should determine the track listing. There is no better resource than the fine members of this forum to produce the best track list for the project...ok, the actual band might have some ideas too.

Great idea JNB!! Thank you for everything that you do for us fans.

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  posted on 11/13/2013 at 11:47 PM
I'm guessing that only shows that were originally sold as ABB live CDs would qualify for this compilation. That means no pre-2009 Beacon shows, or any other shows that for one reason or another have not previously been available.

I would vote against repeat songs, there are plenty of songs to fill 3 discs. There are going to be lots and lots of great versions of standards like Dreams and Liz Reed, but bite the bullet and pick the best one.

Focus on the newer material that the band has brought to the table over the past decade, both new songs like Egypt and Dusk Till Dawn and the newer covers like Blind Willie McTell and Who's Been Talking.

Don't worry too much about trying to pick equally from each year. There are some years that really stand out as exceptional, so don't be afraid to pick heavily from them. I would say 2004, 2005, 2009 and 2013 should be heavily represented.

 
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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 12:16 AM
I have loved the many times that Chuck Leavell has appeared with the ABB over the last decade. I would feature Chuck on multiple selections (of course I'd have him on an entire disc if it were me):

Jessica (no brainer!)
Desdemona (he's a natural addition to that classic)
Layla (3/21/05....lots of Chuck and lots of gems from this amazing night!)

I'd also say the Fox 2004 has many highlights, including the most swinging Good Clean Fun they ever did (down right jazzy) and probably the only Night The Drove Old Dixie Down they completely nailed. Les Bres never sounded better by this lineup.

And since Jack Pearson was never on an official ABB records, some tracks featuring Jack would seem well received.

+ Beacon 2003 tracks - Change Is Gonna Come + Same Thing (both with horns)

And a few not so regularly played songs (provided one of the few performances is top notch): maybe Just Aint Easy, Need Your Love So Bad, or Kind of Bird.

25-30 different songs - no repeats - would be nice. And maybe 1 disc that includes only the 7 guys in the current lineup and no guests or former members.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 06:57 AM
Thank you for working on this!

I like the idea of keeping guests to a minimum. If guests are included, they should be included because the song and performance are the better for it, not because _______ sat in.

I also like the idea of keeping repeats to a minimum. I think it would be fine to have a few repeats when the performances warrant it.

I think a 3 CD set is probably necessary given the length of a lot of the songs.

A fourth (maybe even 5th?) bonus disc option is a great idea, particularly as a place for second or third versions of songs.

Please do not determine the tracks based on a "greatest hits" set lists. There are PLENTY of ABB "Greatest Hits" ackahes out there. Having said that, the ****most important determination as to what tracks should be included should be the quality of performance. Tracks that showcase this lineup playing their best as a band is what everyone wants to hear. Quality of the performance ought to come first.
Performance quality being the same, I would lean towards newer/rarer songs with a few worthy performances of well worn material too.

A couple of specific performance that some to mind right this moment:

3/18/06 Beacon, 3 tracks:
The Weight (Derek at his best on this one)
Desdemona (again, Derek at his best; nicely constructed solo)
Preaching Blues (Nice Derek Warren showcase)

3/24/07 Beacon, 2 tracks:
High Cost of Low Living (Kind of sloppy, but Detek's outro solo here is one of his best I have heard him do. He takes his time using swells and decisive melody to build a nice story here. I think it is telling that he and Warren do not play their usual coda harmony here; they don't need to because Detek brings it down so perfectly. If the rest of this is too sloppy, maybe you can do a Tom Dowd and splice Detek's solo on to a better version? Or put this version on a bonus disc? One of aderek's best solos and it should be included)
Come on in My Kitchen (has Luther from M Allstats and I love this version)

Darrien Lake 2003? 2002? 2004?
Done Somebody Wrong (not sure of the year, but mid aughts. Derek plays straight lead and Warren takes slide. Derek absolutely blows up on this. Gotta be one of those)

Jazzfest 2007 2 (or more) tracks;
Walk on Guilded Splinters
Every Hungry Woman
(best two versions of above songs I have heard. Derek at his best the whole show so could take AWTNM or others too)

3/13/09 Beacon:
Ain't No Love In The Heart of the City (with Boz Sckaags and Juke Horns. PLEASE include this! Just great!)
Other thoughts on tracks:

From what I have heard, Derek seems to have gotten better on the straight lead part of Dreams from 2007 and on (Chastain Park 2008 and Prachfest 2012 are worth consideration)
PLEASE include one, maybe two versions of Instrumental Illness!! There are versions out there where Derek KILLS it. (2002 good place to start.
The Juke Horns are great and I'd love to hear them a few times; they add a lot.

The Weight from Red Rocks with Danny Lewis(?) on keys sounded good but I haven't heard Detek's solo. It is the one from the year it rained really hard. Love the addition of the keys on that one.

Please let us know if any pre-09 Beacon material is available; ** Given the recording quality, I would think any left over One Way Out material ought to be considered.

Finally once again, please pick tracks based on the band sounding best as a unit and performance.

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 07:16 AM
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On a three disc compilation, we are going to put together our selection from the past ten years. This will be the bonus package that goes in the 2013 Complete Set.




These are two lines that should really jump out at everyone. I'm guessing this leaves out any Beacon shows prior to the 40th anniversary since those shows are not a part of their selection for sale in their store. I'm not even sure those Beacon shows were recorded.

The other one is, at least right now, the only way to get it is to buy every show of 2013. So that greatly limits the buying audience. Hopefully it is made available later.

As for the set, I wouldn't do any repeats. Try to make the set flow like it's one show. I would also leave out drum solo's, but that's just my preference. Try to get the full 80 minutes on each disc.

Another idea is two discs with no repeats and no special guests and the third disc be an all guest disc.


Also use no songs from 3/26/09 since it is going to be released as an official release very soon. (rolls eyes)




 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 08:19 AM
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On a three disc compilation, we are going to put together our selection from the past ten years. This will be the bonus package that goes in the 2013 Complete Set.


Oh.

Missed that part.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 08:36 AM
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On a three disc compilation, we are going to put together our selection from the past ten years. This will be the bonus package that goes in the 2013 Complete Set.


Oh.

Missed that part.


Like a few posters above, I find it very hard to get excited about something I almost certainly will not get, since I would not consider buying the complete 2013 run.

On the other hand, limiting the distribution like that makes the likelihood of pirating very high.

Since my understanding is that the ABB has recorded its shows for many years, it would be nice to see some of the cuts that were NOT available on IL's.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 09:36 AM
I like the idea of this. I'd definitely purchase it if it was available for sale individually. I do know that one of the past ones they did as a bonus disc was Widespread Panic and Allman collaborations. I think I was lucky to be able to purchase that at Mountain Jam this year.
 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 09:41 AM
I guess the biggest question for me would be if it's possible to draw from shows that aren't already available as IL's or Official Downloads. If the band has recordings from 2001, 2002, pre-2009 Beacon runs, and other pockets of time from which there aren't IL's available (i.e. most of 2003, the May 2005 shows, some of the Jack shows from 08/2005, etc.) that would definitely be the way to go.
If shows from those unreleased periods are available - I'd definitely love to see some of those tracks come to light. Great versions of classic and newer ABB songs that can't be had anywhere else currently would make this a very desirable item.
I'd go light on guests with 3 notable exceptions - I would definitely try to include some tracks with Jack Pearson and Jimmy Herring as they are ABB familly and no official recordings from their time with the band exist - and the 3rd exception would be for Chuck Leavell. Working in some tracks with those 3 as guests would be a great nod to their place in the band's history - without detracting from the focus being on the current band - as those 3 guys certainly never slowed down things in any of their guest spots.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 10:52 AM
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I like the idea of this. I'd definitely purchase it if it was available for sale individually. I do know that one of the past ones they did as a bonus disc was Widespread Panic and Allman collaborations. I think I was lucky to be able to purchase that at Mountain Jam this year.


I would purchase this disc if it were available.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 10:53 AM
If it has to be 3 discs, I'd go with 2 discs with no repeats put together like a show with no guests then the 3rd disc be a guests only disc.

If it can expand to 4 discs, then the 4th disc could be guests only.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 11:09 AM
Flowing like a concert with the best tracks from within the timeframe would be my vote!

Quietly nominating the Stormy Monday from KC 9/20/05...Gregg just kills it on the organ solo. That's also a show that features Oteil and Derek on bass in the middle of Les Brers in A Minor.

 

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Thank you for working on this!

I like the idea of keeping guests to a minimum. If guests are included, they should be included because the song and performance are the better for it, not because _______ sat in.

I also like the idea of keeping repeats to a minimum. I think it would be fine to have a few repeats when the performances warrant it.

I think a 3 CD set is probably necessary given the length of a lot of the songs.

A fourth (maybe even 5th?) bonus disc option is a great idea, particularly as a place for second or third versions of songs.

Please do not determine the tracks based on a "greatest hits" set lists. There are PLENTY of ABB "Greatest Hits" ackahes out there. Having said that, the ****most important determination as to what tracks should be included should be the quality of performance. Tracks that showcase this lineup playing their best as a band is what everyone wants to hear. Quality of the performance ought to come first.
Performance quality being the same, I would lean towards newer/rarer songs with a few worthy performances of well worn material too.

A couple of specific performance that some to mind right this moment:

3/18/06 Beacon, 3 tracks:
The Weight (Derek at his best on this one)
Desdemona (again, Derek at his best; nicely constructed solo)
Preaching Blues (Nice Derek Warren showcase)

3/24/07 Beacon, 2 tracks:
High Cost of Low Living (Kind of sloppy, but Detek's outro solo here is one of his best I have heard him do. He takes his time using swells and decisive melody to build a nice story here. I think it is telling that he and Warren do not play their usual coda harmony here; they don't need to because Detek brings it down so perfectly. If the rest of this is too sloppy, maybe you can do a Tom Dowd and splice Detek's solo on to a better version? Or put this version on a bonus disc? One of aderek's best solos and it should be included)
Come on in My Kitchen (has Luther from M Allstats and I love this version)

Darrien Lake 2003? 2002? 2004?
Done Somebody Wrong (not sure of the year, but mid aughts. Derek plays straight lead and Warren takes slide. Derek absolutely blows up on this. Gotta be one of those)

Jazzfest 2007 2 (or more) tracks;
Walk on Guilded Splinters
Every Hungry Woman
(best two versions of above songs I have heard. Derek at his best the whole show so could take AWTNM or others too)

3/13/09 Beacon:
Ain't No Love In The Heart of the City (with Boz Sckaags and Juke Horns. PLEASE include this! Just great!)
Other thoughts on tracks:

From what I have heard, Derek seems to have gotten better on the straight lead part of Dreams from 2007 and on (Chastain Park 2008 and Prachfest 2012 are worth consideration)
PLEASE include one, maybe two versions of Instrumental Illness!! There are versions out there where Derek KILLS it. (2002 good place to start.
The Juke Horns are great and I'd love to hear them a few times; they add a lot.

The Weight from Red Rocks with Danny Lewis(?) on keys sounded good but I haven't heard Detek's solo. It is the one from the year it rained really hard. Love the addition of the keys on that one.

Please let us know if any pre-09 Beacon material is available; ** Given the recording quality, I would think any left over One Way Out material ought to be considered.

Finally once again, please pick tracks based on the band sounding best as a unit and performance.

THANK YOU!!



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Wow - good luck with only 3 discs.
Maybe take a page from Shout - two ABB only discs and a two disc set with all guests.
Personally, I like the guests spots when they add texture or are historical.
Leavin Trunk w/ Taj for example from 05 or 06 Beacon. Any Chuck spot, EC of course. Oncoming Traffic with Bonnie & Gregg.
Heck I have an '09 "highlights" playist on my iPod and it's 10 hours and I only have about half the shows. Some great Herring moments from the WSP co-bill, for example, and all the crazy stuff from the Beacon run.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 11:27 AM
I made myself a Best-of playlist for the Beacon 2009 run and THAT was three hours long! I feel sorry for the guys who will have to do the research on this one. I'd keep the guests to a minimum and focus on the best performances and unusual song choices. Otherwise you could make a disc of nothing but One Way Out and Southbound.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 11:33 AM
Please include a Don't Keep Me Wondering. Problem is which one? Their all great! Aint no Love in the heart of the city is something that belongs back in the rotation. Simply perfect tune for this band.
 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 11:46 AM
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I'm just around the corner from HTN, so if they need a volunteer, I can lend a hand (or ear).

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 11:48 AM


Disc One 2003-2006
Disc Two 2007-2009
Disc Three 2010-2012
with 1 or 2 guest appearances sprinkled in each disc
These songs should only appear once in the mix: WP, Dreams, SB, OWO, Jessica, LizR. Two cover tunes maximum.
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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 01:07 PM
Dear Santa ... This is what I want for Christmas...

If it's three discs, I'd like to see one disc of just stuff that's never appeared on an official ABB record (Gilded Splinters, Into the Mystic, Don't Think Twice, The Weight and, of course, Layla from I believe Raleigh or Charlotte in '04 where Derek just kills it), then one disc of guest appearances (EC, of course, as well as Chuck and Jack and some of the people who showed up for historic '09 Beacon run) and one disc of the best of their performances on chestnuts like Liz Reed, Dreams, Mt. Jam, etc.). Thanks for listening...

And, of course, please release it on its own as well as the bonus, for all the reasons stated above.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 01:32 PM
This is just a ruse to drum up interest for the 2013 complete set.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 02:29 PM
How about a disc of ABB playing jazz and a disc of the ABB playing the blues?

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 04:11 PM
I personally really like the idea / concept for a 3 disc live compilation of songs from the 10 most recent years in ABB history but, IMHO, i really really dislike the idea of limiting the number of fans who can own this to the "Happy Few" who can afford to buy a complete set of Instant Live / Munckmix recordings every year. A nice and unique set of music as a bonus for the elite among the fans but all other die hard fans who support this band for many years are left in the cold. Sorry, if i sound harsh but the concept is cool, but why should i personally start brainstorming about suggestions for the content if i know i can never own it? Make it a fan club release available for everybody who is a website regular and/or a HTN subscriber. Just my 2 cents.

 

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  posted on 11/14/2013 at 04:50 PM
This is a great idea long overdue.

1. Three discs are not enough. I have put together a best of the Instant Lives from 2003, 2005, 2006, 2010 & 2013. Each year except one has 4 discs. 2013 has 5. I am sure when I do 2009 it will have 5 or 6 discs. I think you need at least 3 discs of ABB Standards plus 2 more discs, one mostly or all covers & one with guests on repeat standards and the more rare ABB songs (like Dimples). The ones I have put together are very impressive and would sell like hot cakes. I'm glad to share them with HTN to help with your inspiration.

2. You MUST make this available to anyone willing to buy it. It is fine to give it away as a bonus but you are cheating yourselves if you don't sell it stand alone also.

3. This won't be popular with some here but one thing I did for 2003 & 2005 was to pretty much copy the 1971 "Standard" set list with the current band adding in at appropriate places songs that were not played very often at that time (like Blackhearted Woman). It is 2 discs of ABB Classics that COOK and then there is a 3rd with newer songs and rare old songs then a 4th disc with covers.

 

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