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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 01:34 PM
Well, did anyone watch the series finale last night? I thought it was a great ending. Walt went out on his own terms, Jesse is finally free, the nazis were killed, etc. And he got to say goodbye to Skyler & Holly, and he made sure that his family will get the money. Some people are complaining that the ending was predictable, but I think it was very fitting for this show.
 
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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 01:59 PM
It was very fitting. They have been tying up loose ends and revealing secrets about the characters to the other characters for the past 5 episodes. Most shows would have saved those revelations for the finale.

Some people (esp. those people who love to spew their opinions on the internet) are never happy and seem to have dissenting opinions just to have dissenting opinions.

It may be the best show in TV history and begs to watched again. During the marathon, I kept noticing things in the first two seasons that were called back in the final one.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 02:04 PM
i enjoyed the end- great to see Jesse kill Todd. Walt as usual had a solid plan and made it happen. The ricin for Lydia was the best!!!!

I did not think Skylar would survive

I heard the lawyer is getting a spin off show at some point.

 

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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 02:39 PM
It was great! Sorry to see it end .. it was a fun ride. Every meth lab needs a song ... https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=C53QAuOoSgc

 

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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 03:59 PM
Fantastic show and great ending. Heisenberg is dead! Long live Heisenberg!

 

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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 04:58 PM
I loved the finale. The best part was Walt executing Uncle Jack in mid-sentence, the same way Jack executed Hank. And Walt was killed by one of his own bullets, much like Jesse requested.
 

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  posted on 9/30/2013 at 10:23 PM
Breaking Bad....this was the best ending of any TV series,and one of the best series in history,this show never disappointed !
Vince Gilligan is a master!

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 12:28 PM
I like the last episode, didn't love it, but maybe that's because I would have loved 2 more episodes. And then maybe another 2. I thought the final episode was a bit of a checklist, plot-wise, but ended fittingly. For a show that often surprised the audience, there weren't really any surprises in the final episode, which I think is what let down some fans of the show.

The one thing I do think was a little ridiculous was Walt's gun immediately getting about 8 kill shots from the inside of a trunk, and through another wall, when 2 episodes previous, gunmen could only hit the broad side of a truck in the Hank/Nazi standoff. Well, until they got Gomey (who was out in the open) and eventually Hank - probably the first time the good guys were the terrible shots in a movie or tv show. Also, Walt took that bullet like a pro. Still, these details rarely matter, and it was a fitting end to one of the greatest stories in television history.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 01:36 PM
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I like the last episode, didn't love it, but maybe that's because I would have loved 2 more episodes. And then maybe another 2. I thought the final episode was a bit of a checklist, plot-wise, but ended fittingly. For a show that often surprised the audience, there weren't really any surprises in the final episode, which I think is what let down some fans of the show.

The one thing I do think was a little ridiculous was Walt's gun immediately getting about 8 kill shots from the inside of a trunk, and through another wall, when 2 episodes previous, gunmen could only hit the broad side of a truck in the Hank/Nazi standoff. Well, until they got Gomey (who was out in the open) and eventually Hank - probably the first time the good guys were the terrible shots in a movie or tv show. Also, Walt took that bullet like a pro. Still, these details rarely matter, and it was a fitting end to one of the greatest stories in television history.


With all due respect, if you start picking apart all of the coincidental occurrences and freak happenings in Breaking Bad (and most TV shows/movies), it would pretty much ruin it for you.

You just need to enjoy the ride and go with it. This show, like “Sons of Anarchy” is what I call “hyper-realistic”. The majority of it is grounded in reality (ie. Nobody flies or can turn invisible), but some of the plot devices are over the top and they are meant to be that way.

Otherwise, it just wouldn’t be that entertaining.

I think Gilligan surprised everyone by just doing a by the book finale where most all of the loose ends are neatly tied up and for that, I give it a 10.

I’ve grown tired of shows like “Lost” and “The Sopranos” who think they are smarter than viewer and never really answer any burning questions. Their endings were to be interpreted by the audience, which to me, means they never had an ending in the first place.


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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 04:21 PM
it was a great and well written series, something rare these days.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 05:07 PM
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With all due respect, if you start picking apart all of the coincidental occurrences and freak happenings in Breaking Bad (and most TV shows/movies), it would pretty much ruin it for you.

You just need to enjoy the ride and go with it. This show, like “Sons of Anarchy” is what I call “hyper-realistic”. The majority of it is grounded in reality (ie. Nobody flies or can turn invisible), but some of the plot devices are over the top and they are meant to be that way.

Otherwise, it just wouldn’t be that entertaining.

I think Gilligan surprised everyone by just doing a by the book finale where most all of the loose ends are neatly tied up and for that, I give it a 10.

I’ve grown tired of shows like “Lost” and “The Sopranos” who think they are smarter than viewer and never really answer any burning questions. Their endings were to be interpreted by the audience, which to me, means they never had an ending in the first place.


I'm not picking apart every detail, it is TV after all and I want to watch incredible events and stories. It's just that the show was so often propelled by Walt's plans failing, about how ill-prepared he was to be a drug kingpin, no matter how smart he thought he was. How many times did he have to rebuild his fortune through out the show? How many innocent people died along the way? When everything fell apart in the last 3 episodes, for a guy who ruined so many lives in his quest to "feel alive" you have to admit that everything got tidied up pretty neatly for him in the final episode. I would have liked to see the episode be a little longer so those loose ends meant a little more.

There is still plenty of ambiguity that Gilligan left the audience with: where does Jesse go from here? He is pretty shattered, lost two girlfriends and was a neo-Nazi slave for months, thanks to his time being manipulated by Walter. Skyler and Jr are living in near-poverty (for now). Do they take his money? Does Skyler figure it out? It doesn't really matter because it was Walter's journey.

But still, the ending hardly matters. It's one of the most hauntingly brilliant shows ever.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 05:29 PM
Who were the innocent victims besides Hank? The rest were all guilty of something. Even Hank was a racist who harassed and verbally abused people. He even almost killed Jesse.
 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 05:59 PM
Andrea, Jane, the kid Todd shot to name a few. Indirectly you can count the hundreds of people in the airplanes that colided. Hank might have been an **** but he owned up to beating up Jesse. Gomey was innocent. I am not about to start a debate about the morality of the characters, they all purposely had their flaws.

 

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  posted on 10/1/2013 at 06:26 PM
On a lighter note... last night's Colbert Report's guest was Vince Gilligan. If you can catch a re-run, or find it online, watch it. Hilarity will ensue.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2013 at 07:52 AM
Jane was far from innocent. She was a blackmailing drug addict.

I'll give you Andrea and the kid Todd killed.

The only true innocents were the White children. They didn't deserve anything they got. Flynn especially. He was the most caring person on the show.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2013 at 09:05 AM
There are some ideas floating around online about the finale being a fantasy dream of Walts, and that he actually died in Vermont from cancer. Walt is never noticed throughout the finale, like a ghost, despite being a famous fugitive on the run. The cops don't notice him in the car. They don't notice him driving cross country in a stolen vehicle. He follows the Schwartzes into their living room. Cops don't notice him at Skyler's house despite it being completely guarded by cops. In that scene, he appears in the kitchen eerily like a ghost and says "I WAS alive". He's unnoticed outside watching Walt Jr. He's unnoticed at the diner with Lydia and Todd. Aside from being unnoticed, everything he accomplishes is what would happen in Walt's perfect fantasy world. He reconciles with his wife, sees Holly and Walt Jr one last time, provides closure for them and for Marie by giving Hank's location, saves Jesse, and kills the Nazis. While laying dead in the lab, the cops seem to walk right past his body laying on the ground.

Even Vince Gilligan himself may deny it, but as the author, he may have reason to steer people in a certain direction. Who knows. I thought it was a good theory. As any work of art, it's open to interpretation by the viewer.

 

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Jane was far from innocent. She was a blackmailing drug addict.

I'll give you Andrea and the kid Todd killed.

The only true innocents were the White children. They didn't deserve anything they got. Flynn especially. He was the most caring person on the show.


Well, considering these are all fictional characters written with intentional faults, I am not going do a morality tally. It's all open to interpretation. Some will see Walter White as an emasculated man taking control of his life and doing what he can for his family's financial well being and the casualties along the way deserving what they got for getting in the way of his dirty business; others will see Walter as a monster who, due to his false sense of pride and hubris, brought a lot of unnecessary suffering to those around him, and the shady people whom he did business with. Considering the show is called "Breaking Bad", I'm inclined to see him more as the latter: always a chance to stop, but always deluding himself that he can't. Vince Gilligan's pitch was to turn Mr. Chips into Scarface: so I guess it depends on whether or not you root for Scarface or not.

My point being, a blow hard DEA agent (Hank), another DEA agent (Gomey), a junkie blackmailing a meth cook/murderer (Jane), even an eccentric meth cook (Gale Boetticher), a recovering meth addict and single mother (Andrea), a kid on a bike, probably didn't deserve to die for their "crimes". Even though Mike was a hit man, who watching the show felt he deserved a bullet from a prideful Walt? That doesn't include the collateral damage that Walt's family, Gomey's family, Jesse, Jane's father, all suffer because Walt "felt alive". It was all put into motion by Walter White's grab for power and pride. They may not have been innocent, but they weren't necessarily guilty.

This is why it's such a great show, areas of grey and everyone can see it from a different angle.

 

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  posted on 10/2/2013 at 11:19 AM
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Jane was far from innocent. She was a blackmailing drug addict.

I'll give you Andrea and the kid Todd killed.

The only true innocents were the White children. They didn't deserve anything they got. Flynn especially. He was the most caring person on the show.


Well, considering these are all fictional characters written with intentional faults, I am not going do a morality tally. It's all open to interpretation. Some will see Walter White as an emasculated man taking control of his life and doing what he can for his family's financial well being and the casualties along the way deserving what they got for getting in the way of his dirty business; others will see Walter as a monster who, due to his false sense of pride and hubris, brought a lot of unnecessary suffering to those around him, and the shady people whom he did business with. Considering the show is called "Breaking Bad", I'm inclined to see him more as the latter: always a chance to stop, but always deluding himself that he can't. Vince Gilligan's pitch was to turn Mr. Chips into Scarface: so I guess it depends on whether or not you root for Scarface or not.

My point being, a blow hard DEA agent (Hank), another DEA agent (Gomey), a junkie blackmailing a meth cook/murderer (Jane), even an eccentric meth cook (Gale Boetticher), a recovering meth addict and single mother (Andrea), a kid on a bike, probably didn't deserve to die for their "crimes". Even though Mike was a hit man, who watching the show felt he deserved a bullet from a prideful Walt? That doesn't include the collateral damage that Walt's family, Gomey's family, Jesse, Jane's father, all suffer because Walt "felt alive". It was all put into motion by Walter White's grab for power and pride. They may not have been innocent, but they weren't necessarily guilty.

This is why it's such a great show, areas of grey and everyone can see it from a different angle.


Yes, I agree. My favorite show of all time. Now I'm debating whether to ask for the $200+ series Blue Ray for Christmas.

This looks like an awesome set:

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Who were the innocent victims besides Hank? The rest were all guilty of something. Even Hank was a racist who harassed and verbally abused people. He even almost killed Jesse.


Hank was a good guy. No one is a perfect human being. Other innocent victims? How about Drew Sharp? Gomie? Andrea? Brock? (though he lived) All the people in the plane who died as a result of events Walt set in motion?

 

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There are some ideas floating around online about the finale being a fantasy dream of Walts, and that he actually died in Vermont from cancer. Walt is never noticed throughout the finale, like a ghost, despite being a famous fugitive on the run. The cops don't notice him in the car. They don't notice him driving cross country in a stolen vehicle. He follows the Schwartzes into their living room. Cops don't notice him at Skyler's house despite it being completely guarded by cops. In that scene, he appears in the kitchen eerily like a ghost and says "I WAS alive". He's unnoticed outside watching Walt Jr. He's unnoticed at the diner with Lydia and Todd. Aside from being unnoticed, everything he accomplishes is what would happen in Walt's perfect fantasy world. He reconciles with his wife, sees Holly and Walt Jr one last time, provides closure for them and for Marie by giving Hank's location, saves Jesse, and kills the Nazis. While laying dead in the lab, the cops seem to walk right past his body laying on the ground.

Even Vince Gilligan himself may deny it, but as the author, he may have reason to steer people in a certain direction. Who knows. I thought it was a good theory. As any work of art, it's open to interpretation by the viewer.


Nah. That's silly. If he did that the show would have ended with a jolt back to reality (like the great story/twilight zone episode An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge)

 

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There are some ideas floating around online about the finale being a fantasy dream of Walts, and that he actually died in Vermont from cancer. Walt is never noticed throughout the finale, like a ghost, despite being a famous fugitive on the run. The cops don't notice him in the car. They don't notice him driving cross country in a stolen vehicle. He follows the Schwartzes into their living room. Cops don't notice him at Skyler's house despite it being completely guarded by cops. In that scene, he appears in the kitchen eerily like a ghost and says "I WAS alive". He's unnoticed outside watching Walt Jr. He's unnoticed at the diner with Lydia and Todd. Aside from being unnoticed, everything he accomplishes is what would happen in Walt's perfect fantasy world. He reconciles with his wife, sees Holly and Walt Jr one last time, provides closure for them and for Marie by giving Hank's location, saves Jesse, and kills the Nazis. While laying dead in the lab, the cops seem to walk right past his body laying on the ground.

Even Vince Gilligan himself may deny it, but as the author, he may have reason to steer people in a certain direction. Who knows. I thought it was a good theory. As any work of art, it's open to interpretation by the viewer.


Nah. That's silly. If he did that the show would have ended with a jolt back to reality (like the great story/twilight zone episode An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge)


Walt Jr wakes up in the shower, it was all a dream. He proceeds to have breakfast with his family like nothing ever happened. The end.

 

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In terms of my opinion let me start by saying that I believe this is the finest television show of all time. Each episode was a work of art. I liked the ending. I predicted some of it, namely I thought Walt would use the ricin on Lydia, that he would kill the Nazis. I never thought he would harm Elliot and Gretchen but did not see that twist coming. I knew Walt would end up freeing Jesse even though that was not his intent and I knew Jesse would kill Todd personally. I did not think Walt would kill Jesse or Jesse would kill Walt but I predicted wrongly that Jesse would not survive. I'm glad I was wrong about that. I never believed for a second that Schuyler, Marie or Walt's children were in any further danger and it would have been too nihilistic to harm them (though I read today that Gilligan originally had Schuyler committing suicide and was actually talked out of it by the other writers) My final prediction was wrong. I thought Walt would surrender to the police and die in a prison hosipital of cancer soon thereafter. I assumed THIS would be the action that would get Schuyler off the legal hook. I knew Walt would have some plan in this regard. He did, it seems, intend to surrender to the police but of course that became uneccessary.

Overall I thought it was the perfect ending. Walt got a measure of redemption but certainly not absolution for the awful awful things he caused to happen. It is not just that he was a drug dealer and murderer but that he caused incredible harm to the people he cared about the most and many other innocents as well. There was no coming back from that and he didn't try. Instead he finally owned it in that scene with Schuyler. And he made his peace with Jesse as well and gave him another chance.

I don't think Walt died thinking he had made everything ok or without regret. But I think he died at peace with and accepting who he was. That's the happiest ending we could get.

 

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There are some ideas floating around online about the finale being a fantasy dream of Walts, and that he actually died in Vermont from cancer. Walt is never noticed throughout the finale, like a ghost, despite being a famous fugitive on the run. The cops don't notice him in the car. They don't notice him driving cross country in a stolen vehicle. He follows the Schwartzes into their living room. Cops don't notice him at Skyler's house despite it being completely guarded by cops. In that scene, he appears in the kitchen eerily like a ghost and says "I WAS alive". He's unnoticed outside watching Walt Jr. He's unnoticed at the diner with Lydia and Todd. Aside from being unnoticed, everything he accomplishes is what would happen in Walt's perfect fantasy world. He reconciles with his wife, sees Holly and Walt Jr one last time, provides closure for them and for Marie by giving Hank's location, saves Jesse, and kills the Nazis. While laying dead in the lab, the cops seem to walk right past his body laying on the ground.

Even Vince Gilligan himself may deny it, but as the author, he may have reason to steer people in a certain direction. Who knows. I thought it was a good theory. As any work of art, it's open to interpretation by the viewer.


Nah. That's silly. If he did that the show would have ended with a jolt back to reality (like the great story/twilight zone episode An Occurrence At Owl Creek Bridge)



Wow, that is a very interesting thought. During Talking Bad, Gilligan did mention how great he thought The Twillight Zone was and how it will be remembered generations from now.

Now I really want to watch the finale again.

 

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Who were the innocent victims besides Hank? The rest were all guilty of something. Even Hank was a racist who harassed and verbally abused people. He even almost killed Jesse.
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Hank was a good guy. No one is a perfect human being. Other innocent victims? How about Drew Sharp? Gomie? Andrea? Brock? (though he lived) All the people in the plane who died as a result of events Walt set in motion?


Can you really blame Walt for those deaths, even though he "indirectly" caused them? I don't. Even the court of law wouldn't convice him of those deaths. In my opinion, Walt never killed an innocent person. All of them had it coming in some way. The innocent ones were killed by other people.

Walt begged for Hank's life. Drew Sharp and Andrea were killed by Todd. Walt would've never agreed to that. Gomie was innocent but killed by the Nazis, and lest anyone forget, Walt tried to call that whole thing off when he realized it was the Feds and Jesse. Blaming Walt for the plane crash is really far fetched. That's several degrees away from Walt.

The people Walt killed, either by himself or having someone else do it, were all pretty bad people themselves. The most innocent one was Gale, and he chose a life as a meth cook for the biggest drug lord in the SW.

 

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Can you really blame Walt for those deaths, even though he "indirectly" caused them? I don't. Even the court of law wouldn't convice him of those deaths. In my opinion, Walt never killed an innocent person. All of them had it coming in some way. The innocent ones were killed by other people.

Walt begged for Hank's life. Drew Sharp and Andrea were killed by Todd. Walt would've never agreed to that. Gomie was innocent but killed by the Nazis, and lest anyone forget, Walt tried to call that whole thing off when he realized it was the Feds and Jesse. Blaming Walt for the plane crash is really far fetched. That's several degrees away from Walt.

The people Walt killed, either by himself or having someone else do it, were all pretty bad people themselves. The most innocent one was Gale, and he chose a life as a meth cook for the biggest drug lord in the SW.


What you have to ask is why does Walt get a pass just because he didn't get his hands directly dirty, or because the people he killed were "bad"? Why be so quick to absolve him of culpability? Is he better than the same people he goes into business with just because he tells himself he is doing it for family? At least Gus and Mike weren't deluding themselves. Walt begged for Hank's life when it was too late, just like he had once begged for Jesse's life to Gus because it was advantageous to him (who he moments later thought he sent to his death at the hands of the Nazis). He also poisoned a child because it was advantageous. It's not Breaking "Bad" because things went badly for an honest guy trying to break into the meth business, it's because he became a pretty bad guy. Walt didn't have to become a meth cook, which is a bloody business from the first day for him, but he liked it too much to give it up. But the majority of the tragedy, death, or sorrow was because he couldn't stop himself. He could have saved Jane, but he was trying to save himself. He lead the Nazis to Andrea's door because he was trying to save himself from Jesse. Gale died to save himself. Hank's death kept Walt out of jail, and it didn't take long for him to start rolling his barrel of money across the desert.

Walt killed bad people (Krazy8, Gus, Mike, Jane), but not because he's some self-righteous Charlie Bronson vigilante. Every time he was trying to save himself and his empire, and would go right on cooking. The law still sees murder (or accessory to) pretty blindly for a meth cook. It's still illegal to run over a drug dealer with your car, kill your drug dealing-boss with a bomb, shoot a hitman on the run, kill your blackmailer, poison a child, poison a corporate drug pusher, etc. Even if they, too, are bad.

Again, major shades of gray, totally up to interpretation.

 

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