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  posted on 9/14/2013 at 05:36 PM
When I was a teenager I went up on the towers while they were being built. My good friends dad was one of the top supervisiors for the steel work. He showed us around about three times. I actually saw the steel beams being hoisted and riveted together. Very interesting and exciting.

When the towers were destroyed by the planes all of the floors in both buildings had been occupied for many years. I worked in 1 WTC for four years when I was older. I knew hundreds of people in both towers, knew the PA police, maintenence people, bartenders and waiters in the concourse and many store employees. I knew a whole bunch of people and they in turn knew many more who knew even many more.

You are talking about tens of thousands of people. For the beams to have been wired with explosives crews with jack hammers would have had to go into offices that were filled with tennants and remove carpeting, subflooring, six inches of concrete and interior walls to reach those beams.

Does anyone in their right freakin mind think that no office worker, no maintenence person, no elevator operator, no office manager would bother to question why the floors and interior walls were being demolished? Especially since most people were on heightened alert in general because the site had been truck bombed already. And to think that this scenario would have been repeated in more than one place. Please don't give me the, 'they did it at night or on the weekends b.s.'
Many of those offices and I know from personal experience had employees who worked around the clock seven days a week. Not to mention all the cleaning people who did their jobs overnight and the ever present security guards.

Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.

[Edited on 9/14/2013 by lovelead]

 

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You have some very good points here. Still, how does wanting to get the straight dope on this event translate into hate for the government and insult thousands of New Yorkers? Anyone I have ever heard voicing questions was just as heartbroken and shook up as anyone who took the headline explanations at face value.

We're all Americans, and we were all blindsided by this. It is only natural that a lot of us would retreat into suspicion and disbelief.

I have never seen such a divisive issue. Just because you are a New Yorker and are certain you know the absolute truth doesn't make everyone who wants a new investigation a piece of sh*t.
This kind of knee jerk hatred just feeds into my gut feeling that this whole show was a psy-op masterpiece. I personally have always wanted this thing re-evaluated from top to bottom by unbiased, disinterested parties. And there are plenty of other intelligent pieces of sh*t out there who feel the same way, and cried real tears on 9-11, just like you did.

 

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When I was a teenager I went up on the towers while they were being built. My good friends dad was one of the top supervisiors for the steel work. He showed us around about three times. I actually saw the steel beams being hoisted and riveted together. Very interesting and exciting.

When the towers were destroyed by the planes all of the floors in both buildings had been occupied for many years. I worked in 1 WTC for four years when I was older. I knew hundreds of people in both towers, knew the PA police, maintenence people, bartenders and waiters in the concourse and many store employees. I knew a whole bunch of people and they in turn knew many more who knew even many more.

You are talking about tens of thousands of people. For the beams to have been wired with explosives crews with jack hammers would have had to go into offices that were filled with tennants and remove carpeting, subflooring, six inches of concrete and interior walls to reach those beams.

Does anyone in their right freakin mind think that no office worker, no maintenence person, no elevator operator, no office manager would bother to question why the floors and interior walls were being demolished? Especially since most people were on heightened alert in general because the site had been truck bombed already. And to think that this scenario would have been repeated in more than one place. Please don't give me the, 'they did it at night or on the weekends b.s.'
Many of those offices and I know from personal experience had employees who worked around the clock seven days a week. Not to mention all the cleaning people who did their jobs overnight and the ever present security guards.

Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.

[Edited on 9/14/2013 by lovelead]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws

By the way there were other videos about work being done on floors that were NOT occupied by tenants, which left them access to the columns that comprised the core. The explosives were set to rip thru the core columns and they did which is why the bldg. fell down in twelve seconds, it did not fall over, it went straight down they way bldgs. do in controlled demolition.

Certainly you have seen scientists tell you how hot it has to be for steel beems to melt, and if they did melt, it would have taken a lot longer for the bldg. to come down after the plane impact. (either bldg).

Why did we see steel beams being ejected out the bldg. coming out sideways if they simply melted? Cause they did not melt, they were jettisoned out by explosions.

[Edited on 9/15/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 07:45 AM
http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/404.pdf

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 08:56 AM
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You have some very good points here. Still, how does wanting to get the straight dope on this event translate into hate for the government and insult thousands of New Yorkers? Anyone I have ever heard voicing questions was just as heartbroken and shook up as anyone who took the headline explanations at face value.

We're all Americans, and we were all blindsided by this. It is only natural that a lot of us would retreat into suspicion and disbelief.

I have never seen such a divisive issue. Just because you are a New Yorker and are certain you know the absolute truth doesn't make everyone who wants a new investigation a piece of sh*t.
This kind of knee jerk hatred just feeds into my gut feeling that this whole show was a psy-op masterpiece. I personally have always wanted this thing re-evaluated from top to bottom by unbiased, disinterested parties. And there are plenty of other intelligent pieces of sh*t out there who feel the same way, and cried real tears on 9-11, just like you did.




It is freakin nonsense, insulting and disgraceful. Period.

[Edited on 9/15/2013 by lovelead]

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 08:57 AM
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So I guess Building 7 went down on its own too.


Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 08:59 AM
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http://www.civil.northwestern.edu/people/bazant/PDFs/Papers/404.pdf



Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 09:12 AM
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When I was a teenager I went up on the towers while they were being built. My good friends dad was one of the top supervisiors for the steel work. He showed us around about three times. I actually saw the steel beams being hoisted and riveted together. Very interesting and exciting.

When the towers were destroyed by the planes all of the floors in both buildings had been occupied for many years. I worked in 1 WTC for four years when I was older. I knew hundreds of people in both towers, knew the PA police, maintenence people, bartenders and waiters in the concourse and many store employees. I knew a whole bunch of people and they in turn knew many more who knew even many more.

You are talking about tens of thousands of people. For the beams to have been wired with explosives crews with jack hammers would have had to go into offices that were filled with tennants and remove carpeting, subflooring, six inches of concrete and interior walls to reach those beams.

Does anyone in their right freakin mind think that no office worker, no maintenence person, no elevator operator, no office manager would bother to question why the floors and interior walls were being demolished? Especially since most people were on heightened alert in general because the site had been truck bombed already. And to think that this scenario would have been repeated in more than one place. Please don't give me the, 'they did it at night or on the weekends b.s.'
Many of those offices and I know from personal experience had employees who worked around the clock seven days a week. Not to mention all the cleaning people who did their jobs overnight and the ever present security guards.

Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.

[Edited on 9/14/2013 by lovelead]


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnbMjAN7Bws

By the way there were other videos about work being done on floors that were NOT occupied by tenants, which left them access to the columns that comprised the core. The explosives were set to rip thru the core columns and they did which is why the bldg. fell down in twelve seconds, it did not fall over, it went straight down they way bldgs. do in
controlled demolition.


There are no freakin videos of any work being done there. Those buliding were never empty. I worked in them at all hours of the day and night seven days a week. During off hours the security was even more strict. My good friend was a PA police Lt. involved with security. Trucks came into those buildings 24 hours a day delivering anything from office supplies to fresh donuts. After the truck bombing years before that vehicle security was made very tight. No trucks ever entered that building without being searched and without permission. If trucks went in at 2 am and left at 5 that would be very normal. There is no way in the world demolition to access structural beams could ever be done at any time with out approval of the bldg. management and PA police. Never, ever and people who believe that are aholes and idiots of the highest degree.

So now, show me actual videos of workers doing demolition to access the beams or do us all a favor and STFU.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 09:21 AM
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So I guess Building 7 went down on its own too.

GAITHERSBURG, Maryland -- The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) has released its long-awaited report on the collapse of World Trade 7 following the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. "Our take-home message today is that the reason for the collapse of World Trade Center 7 is no longer a mystery," NIST lead investigator Shyam Sunder told journalists at this morning's press conference in Gaithersburg, Md. "WTC 7 collapsed because of fires fueled by office furnishings. It did not collapse from explosives or from diesel fuel fires."

Conspiracy theorists have long pointed to the collapse of the 47-story structure as key evidence that the U.S. government orchestrated or abetted the 9/11 attacks. No planes struck the building, and the commonly available views of the exterior didn't show significant damage. Yet, at 5:20 pm, 7 hours after the collapse of the Twin Towers (WTC 1 and 2), WTC 7 rapidly fell in on itself. Since WTC 7 housed Secret Service and CIA offices, conspiracy theorists claimed that the building was destroyed in a controlled demolition in order to obliterate evidence of the U.S. government's complicity in the terrorist attacks. "It is impossible for a building to fall the way it fell without explosives being involved," stated actress and TV personality Rosie O'Donnell of ABC's The View in March 2007. "For the first time in history, steel was melted by fire. It is physically impossible," she said.

Today's report confirms that a fire was, indeed, the cause. "This is the first time that we are aware of, that a building taller than about 15 stories has collapsed primarily due to fires," Sunder told reporters at the press conference. "What we found was that uncontrolled building fires--similar to fires experienced in other tall buildings--caused an extraordinary event, the collapse of WTC7." The unprecedented nature of the event means that understanding the precise mechanism of the collapse is important not just to answer conspiracy theorists' questions, but to improve safety standards in the engineering of large buildings.

The final report describes how debris from the collapse of WTC 1 ignited fires on at least 10 floors of WTC 7 at the western half of the south face. Fires on Floors 7 through 9 and 11 through 13 burned out of control, because the water supply to the automatic sprinkler system had failed. The primary and backup water supply to the sprinkler systems for the lower floors relied on the city's water supply. Those water lines were damaged by the collapse of WTC 1 and 2. These uncontrolled fires in WTC 7 eventually spread to the northeast part of the building, where the collapse began.



After 7 hours of uncontrolled fires, a steel girder on Floor 13 lost its connection to one of the 81 columns supporting the building. Floor 13 collapsed, beginning a cascade of floor failures to Floor 5. Column 79, no longer supported by a girder, buckled, triggering a rapid succession of structural failures that moved from east to west. All 23 central columns, followed by the exterior columns, failed in what's known as a "progressive collapse"--that is, local damage that spreads from one structural element to another, eventually resulting in the collapse of the entire structure.

The report clarifies a number of widely debated issues concerning the collapse, particularly the role of the building's many diesel fuel tanks and the importance of structural damage from falling WTC 1 debris. Both of those factors have been cited by investigators as possibly contributing to the collapse; the 2006 Popular Mechanics book Debunking 9/11 Myths: Why Conspiracy Theories Can't Stand Up to the Facts mentions both hypotheses. However, the final NIST report downplays both scenarios, concluding that the diesel fuel stored in tanks (and intended to power backup generators) did not burn long enough or hot enough to account for structural failures. And, while debris damage to WTC 7's southern exterior was considerable (and initiated the destructive fires), the collapse originated in the northeast portion of the building. In fact, the report concludes: "Even without the structural damage, WTC 7 would have collapsed from fires."

The report determines that the actual culprit in the collapse was the combustion of ordinary building furnishings: "These uncontrolled fires had characteristics similar to those that have occurred previously in tall buildings." If the sprinkler system in WTC 7 had been working, it is likely that "the fires in WTC 7 would have been controlled and the collapse prevented." The report also suggests that current engineering standards for coping with fire-induced thermal expansion need to be re-examined, particularly for buildings like WTC 7 that have long, unsupported floor spans. A key factor in the collapse, NIST concluded, was the failure of structural "connections that were designed to resist gravity loads, but not thermally induced lateral loads." According to Sunder: "For the first time we have shown that fire can induce a progressive collapse."

Spurred by conspiracy theorists' questions, investigators did look specifically at the possibility that explosives were involved. "Hypothetical blast events did not play a role in the collapse of WTC 7," the report states, adding that investigators "found no evidence whose explanation required invocation of a blast event." Moreover, the smallest charge capable of initiating column failure "would have resulted in a sound level of 130 dB [decibels] to 140 dB at a distance of at least half a mile." Witnesses did not report hearing such a loud noise, nor is one audible on recordings of the collapse.

NIST will accept public comment on the final report until Sept. 15, 2008.

NIST's press release and other material on the report can be found here. Click here to download the full report in pdf form.


Read more: World Trade Center 7 Report Puts 9/11 Conspiracy Theory to Rest - Popular Mechanics
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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 09:38 AM
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You have some very good points here. Still, how does wanting to get the straight dope on this event translate into hate for the government and insult thousands of New Yorkers? Anyone I have ever heard voicing questions was just as heartbroken and shook up as anyone who took the headline explanations at face value.

We're all Americans, and we were all blindsided by this. It is only natural that a lot of us would retreat into suspicion and disbelief.

I have never seen such a divisive issue. Just because you are a New Yorker and are certain you know the absolute truth doesn't make everyone who wants a new investigation a piece of sh*t.
This kind of knee jerk hatred just feeds into my gut feeling that this whole show was a psy-op masterpiece. I personally have always wanted this thing re-evaluated from top to bottom by unbiased, disinterested parties. And there are plenty of other intelligent pieces of sh*t out there who feel the same way, and cried real tears on 9-11, just like you did.



I never insult people who had questions about that day or who even thought that an investigation could be helpful. That is a right of free people.

The lowlifes I refer to have accused the govt from day 1 and have closed their minds to any rational explanations of what happened. They want it to be the govt. They hate the govt. They have a need for it to be the govt. They block out all rational explanations of what happened and pass on endless bs speculations to fit their agenda. They have no interest in the truth although they claim that is their sole purpose. There only purpose is to mislead others into believing their agenda driven garbage. THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOWLIFES. THEY ARE THE POS I REFER TO.

I know plenty of people who if they thought there was even a remote chance that the govt took down the towers BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, would be marching on the Capitol until all those involved were brought to justice and I would be in the crowd.

It is without a doubt the most preposterous garbage ever put forth in our history and believeing the govt had anything to do with the destruction of the towers and Pentagon rises to the highest levels of stupidity. If someone believes in that crap based on the garbage supposed evidence fed to them by conspiracy freaks then they can consider themselves truly to be an imbicile. Period.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 10:17 AM
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Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.




From an engineering and mathematics perspective this 1 1/4 page paper completely explains it. End of story.

[Edited on 9/15/2013 by Peachypetewi]

 

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Only a full blown ahole with no brain could possibly believe that nobody would have seen anything and questioned any of it. You are talking about tens of thousands of people who were intimate with the building and the everyday comings and goings.

Im' freakin' possible. People want to hate our govt' that is fine but to besmirch thousands of decent, intelligent New Yorkers, many of whom lost their lives with insulting garbage is disgusting. I have no need to be politically correct and tolerant of all views of others. Screw them and thier demented views.

People who do this are disgusting, disrespectful lowlifes with no honor or pride. They make me want to puke. They give new meaning to the term, POS.




From an engineering and mathematics perspective this 1 1/4 page paper completely explains it. End of story.

[Edited on 9/15/2013 by Peachypetewi]


Thank you for providing the real explanation. End of story as you say!

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 11:07 AM
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So I guess Building 7 went down on its own too.


Within two days of the attack, Rosie O'Donnell was explaining on air how the gov't blew up the buildings. Rosie O'Donnell.....structural engineer! And all the clowns who follow her said, 'Rosie showed how the gov't idi it'

Bunch of mindless aholes. I feel bad and embarrassed to live in a country with so many imbiciles. I feel like I should apologise for their existence when I speak to foreigners.

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 11:26 AM
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You have some very good points here. Still, how does wanting to get the straight dope on this event translate into hate for the government and insult thousands of New Yorkers? Anyone I have ever heard voicing questions was just as heartbroken and shook up as anyone who took the headline explanations at face value.

We're all Americans, and we were all blindsided by this. It is only natural that a lot of us would retreat into suspicion and disbelief.

I have never seen such a divisive issue. Just because you are a New Yorker and are certain you know the absolute truth doesn't make everyone who wants a new investigation a piece of sh*t.
This kind of knee jerk hatred just feeds into my gut feeling that this whole show was a psy-op masterpiece. I personally have always wanted this thing re-evaluated from top to bottom by unbiased, disinterested parties. And there are plenty of other intelligent pieces of sh*t out there who feel the same way, and cried real tears on 9-11, just like you did.



There is a group of people in this country who hate our govt and some of them actually hate our way of life. They want to change it to another system. Some socialist, some communist and others. They will say and do anything to discredit our govt and our way of life. If you don't know that then you are out of touch.

There is a gov't conspiracy behind everything. Nobody is at fault other than our gov't

The gov't:

Helped incite WWI

Knew ahead of time of the attack on Pearl Harbor and approved it.

Sunk the Lusitania.

Planned the war in Vietnam to make money.

Faked the moon landing.

Killed JFK

Killed MLK

Killed RFK

Orchastrated the first Gulf War by convincing Saddham to invade Kuwait so we could then take him out.

Planned and executed the destruction on 9/11

Has live aliens regularly visit at Area 51 and is planning a new world order with them.

And far too many more to list. Hundreds for sure but those are the big ones.

There is a freakin conspiracy behind every tree. Besides the govt haters there are many people who just love a good conspiracy story. It's exciting to somehow think you are smarter than the average person because you can see things with your advanced level of thinking that they can't fathom. Truth be told, conspiracy stories are entertaining and exciting. Eff the truth, just have fun.

Not that I would want them to do all of the above but I wish our gov't was that smart.

Not to mention the tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of co-conspirators who never let the cat out of the bag in the last 100 years.

[Edited on 9/15/2013 by lovelead]

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 12:52 PM

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There is a group of people in this country who hate our govt and some of them actually hate our way of life. They want to change it to another system. Some socialist, some communist and others. They will say and do anything to discredit our govt and our way of life. If you don't know that then you are out of touch.



Funny thing is, the paranoid ultraconservatives say all the same things, about communists taking over, and socialists, that all these plots are a push for a new world order, totalitarian state.

So extremists on both sides are accusing the other side of the exact same thing !

I think our govt works pretty well, for the most part. Not perfect, but better than plenty of alternative scenarios, that's for sure. I work for the govt, and I'm an *ssclown like the rest of them, and can safely say that if I'm your typical employee there is no way in hell these complicated plots could even be agreed upon, let alone carried out.

However, I wouldn't put it past some of these mega-corporate entities to be able to orchestrate all kinds of theater. They fooled us into plenty of idiocy already, got us eatin sh*t with a spoon and liking it !

 

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You have some very good points here. Still, how does wanting to get the straight dope on this event translate into hate for the government and insult thousands of New Yorkers? Anyone I have ever heard voicing questions was just as heartbroken and shook up as anyone who took the headline explanations at face value.

We're all Americans, and we were all blindsided by this. It is only natural that a lot of us would retreat into suspicion and disbelief.

I have never seen such a divisive issue. Just because you are a New Yorker and are certain you know the absolute truth doesn't make everyone who wants a new investigation a piece of sh*t.
This kind of knee jerk hatred just feeds into my gut feeling that this whole show was a psy-op masterpiece. I personally have always wanted this thing re-evaluated from top to bottom by unbiased, disinterested parties. And there are plenty of other intelligent pieces of sh*t out there who feel the same way, and cried real tears on 9-11, just like you did.



I never insult people who had questions about that day or who even thought that an investigation could be helpful. That is a right of free people.

The lowlifes I refer to have accused the govt from day 1 and have closed their minds to any rational explanations of what happened. They want it to be the govt. They hate the govt. They have a need for it to be the govt. They block out all rational explanations of what happened and pass on endless bs speculations to fit their agenda. They have no interest in the truth although they claim that is their sole purpose. There only purpose is to mislead others into believing their agenda driven garbage. THOSE PEOPLE ARE LOWLIFES. THEY ARE THE POS I REFER TO.

I know plenty of people who if they thought there was even a remote chance that the govt took down the towers BASED ON THE EVIDENCE, would be marching on the Capitol until all those involved were brought to justice and I would be in the crowd.

It is without a doubt the most preposterous garbage ever put forth in our history and believeing the govt had anything to do with the destruction of the towers and Pentagon rises to the highest levels of stupidity. If someone believes in that crap based on the garbage supposed evidence fed to them by conspiracy freaks then they can consider themselves truly to be an imbicile. Period.


The architechts, engineers, pilots and military people are ALL wrong?
1500 engineers and architechts are wrong?
220 Military, Intelligence Service, Law Enforcement officials are wrong?
and the pilots are all wrong too right?

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/

http://patriotsquestion911.com/

The people in the bldgs. who tell you what they experienced they are all wrong too right?

http://topinfopost.com/2013/06/17/911-conspiracy-theory-in-under-5-minutes

TRANSCRIPT : On the morning of September 11, 2001, 19 men armed with boxcutters directed by a man on dialysis in a cave fortress halfway around the world using a satellite phone and a laptop directed the most sophisticated penetration of the most heavily-defended airspace in the world, overpowering the passengers and the military combat-trained pilots on 4 commercial aircraft before flying those planes wildly off course for over an hour without being molested by a single fighter interceptor.

These 19 hijackers, devout religious fundamentalists who liked to drink alcohol, snort cocaine, and live with pink-haired strippers, managed to knock down 3 buildings with 2 planes in New York, while in Washington a pilot who couldnít handle a single engine Cessna was able to fly a 757 in an 8,000 foot descending 270 degree corskscrew turn to come exactly level with the ground, hitting the Pentagon in the budget analyst office where DoD staffers were working on the mystery of the 2.3 trillion dollars that Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld had announced ďmissingĒ from the Pentagonís coffers in a press conference the day before, on September 10, 2001.

Luckily, the news anchors knew who did it within minutes, the pundits knew within hours, the Administration knew within the day, and the evidence literally fell into the FBIís lap. But for some reason a bunch of crazy conspiracy theorists demanded an investigation into the greatest attack on American soil in history.

The investigation was delayed, underfunded, set up to fail, a conflict of interest and a cover up from start to finish. It was based on testimony extracted through torture, the records of which were destroyed. It failed to mention the existence of WTC7, Able Danger, Ptech, Sibel Edmonds, OBL and the CIA, and the drills of hijacked aircraft being flown into buildings that were being simulated at the precise same time that those events were actually happening. It was lied to by the Pentagon, the CIA, the Bush Administration and as for Bush and CheneyÖwell, no one knows what they told it because they testified in secret, off the record, not under oath and behind closed doors. It didnít bother to look at who funded the attacks because that question is of ďlittle practical significanceď. Still, the 9/11 Commission did brilliantly, answering all of the questions the public had (except most of the victimsí family membersí questions) and pinned blame on all the people responsible (although no one so much as lost their job), determining the attacks were ďa failure of imaginationĒ because ďI donít think anyone could envision flying airplanes into buildings Ē except the Pentagon and FEMA and NORAD and the NRO.

The DIA destroyed 2.5 TB of data on Able Danger, but thatís OK because it probably wasnít important.

The SEC destroyed their records on the investigation into the insider trading before the attacks, but thatís OK because destroying the records of the largest investigation in SEC history is just part of routine record keeping.

[the profits for the options on the airline stocks were run thru the Chicago Stock Exchange, people bet that the stocks would go down. They did it with put options, look into that; a lot of people made lots of money that day]

NIST has classified the data that they used for their model of WTC7?s collapse, but thatís OK because knowing how they made their model of that collapse would ďjeopardize public safetyď.

The FBI has argued that all material related to their investigation of 9/11 should be kept secret from the public, but thatís OK because the FBI probably has nothing to hide.

This man never existed, nor is anything he had to say worthy of your attention, and if you say otherwise you are a paranoid conspiracy theorist and deserve to be shunned by all of humanity. Likewise him, him, him, and her. (and her and her and him).

Osama Bin Laden lived in a cave fortress in the hills of Afghanistan, but somehow got away. Then he was hiding out in Tora Bora but somehow got away. Then he lived in Abottabad for years, taunting the most comprehensive intelligence dragnet employing the most sophisticated technology in the history of the world for 10 years, releasing video after video with complete impunity (and getting younger and younger as he did so), before finally being found in a daring SEAL team raid which wasnít recorded on video, in which he didnít resist or use his wife as a human shield, and in which these crack special forces operatives panicked and killed this unarmed man, supposedly the best source of intelligence about those dastardly terrorists on the planet. Then they dumped his body in the ocean before telling anyone about it. Then a couple dozen of that teamís members died in a helicopter crash in Afghanistan.

This is the story of 9/11, brought to you by the media which told you the hard truths about JFK and incubator babies and mobile production facilities and the rescue of Jessica Lynch.

If you have any questions about this storyÖyou are a batshit, paranoid, tinfoil, dog-abusing baby-hater and will be reviled by everyone. If you love your country and/or freedom, happiness, rainbows, rock and roll, puppy dogs, apple pie and your grandma, you will never ever express doubts about any part of this story to anyone. Ever.

This has been a public service announcement by: the Friends of the FBI, CIA, NSA, DIA, SEC, MSM, White House, NIST, and the 9/11 Commission. Because Ignorance is Strength.



[Edited on 9/15/2013 by gina]

 

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  posted on 9/15/2013 at 01:06 PM
Flt 11 Left Boston to NY it turned off itís transponder at 8:21 seven minutes after the hijacking.

Flt 93 NY to Washington turned off itís transponder at 9:41 thirteen minutes after the hijacking

Flt 77 to Washington turned off itís transponder at 8:56

The Transponders provide the identity, speed and altitude of the planes. Each plane turned off their transponder at the exact point where they reached the Radar Gap so that they would become invisible. Since the planes each took off with delays, how would they know when they were reaching the gap, since they did not take off on time? How would they know where the gaps were, which were military and aviation secrets information not readily available to them?

8:46 the first plane hit

8:47 the 2nd plane changed itís transponder code then at

8:51 the 2nd plane turned

8:54 the 3rd plane turned and at

8:56 that plane turned off itís transponder code.

On December 1, 1984 there was an Air Force simulation of ĎControlled Impactí whereby an airplane was flown into a simulated building at Edwards Air Force Base. Raytheon developed the technology for JPALS.

August 25, 2001 at Holloman Air Force Base A Federal Express 727 200 Aircraft equipped with a Rockwell Collins GNLU 930 Multi Mode Remote Receiver was landed using Raytheon technology developed for military ground station work. The plane was controlled by remote. The military further developed the technology for 757 and 767 planes saying that they needed it in case of weather problems so that the planes would be fully interoperable with military and civilian systems.

Sept 11, 2001 - The first plane that hit the trade center climbed 10,000 feet up in one minute. (this from a hijacker who had never flown a commercial airliner before) and he had the savvy to turn off that transponder 7 minutes after taking off from Boston, yet was so flustered he left fuel consumption equipment and manuals in a flight bag at the airport.

The turns the planes made, the transponders being turned off at exactly the precise points they entered radar gaps to disappear from the radar screens as identifiable planes on the same day Norad was conducting a scenario of what if someone hijacks planes is either a case of extremely good luck for the hijackers or someone else controlling the planes.


 

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quote:
Flt 11 Left Boston to NY it turned off itís transponder at 8:21 seven minutes after the hijacking.

Flt 93 NY to Washington turned off itís transponder at 9:41 thirteen minutes after the hijacking

Flt 77 to Washington turned off itís transponder at 8:56

The Transponders provide the identity, speed and altitude of the planes. Each plane turned off their transponder at the exact point where they reached the Radar Gap so that they would become invisible. Since the planes each took off with delays, how would they know when they were reaching the gap, since they did not take off on time? How would they know where the gaps were, which were military and aviation secrets information not readily available to them?

8:46 the first plane hit

8:47 the 2nd plane changed itís transponder code then at

8:51 the 2nd plane turned

8:54 the 3rd plane turned and at

8:56 that plane turned off itís transponder code.

On December 1, 1984 there was an Air Force simulation of ĎControlled Impactí whereby an airplane was flown into a simulated building at Edwards Air Force Base. Raytheon developed the technology for JPALS.

August 25, 2001 at Holloman Air Force Base A Federal Express 727 200 Aircraft equipped with a Rockwell Collins GNLU 930 Multi Mode Remote Receiver was landed using Raytheon technology developed for military ground station work. The plane was controlled by remote. The military further developed the technology for 757 and 767 planes saying that they needed it in case of weather problems so that the planes would be fully interoperable with military and civilian systems.

Sept 11, 2001 - The first plane that hit the trade center climbed 10,000 feet up in one minute. (this from a hijacker who had never flown a commercial airliner before) and he had the savvy to turn off that transponder 7 minutes after taking off from Boston, yet was so flustered he left fuel consumption equipment and manuals in a flight bag at the airport.

The turns the planes made, the transponders being turned off at exactly the precise points they entered radar gaps to disappear from the radar screens as identifiable planes on the same day Norad was conducting a scenario of what if someone hijacks planes is either a case of extremely good luck for the hijackers or someone else controlling the planes.





More filthy lying pablum out of your mouth pased onto you by other lowlifes.

 

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quote:
Flt 11 Left Boston to NY it turned off itís transponder at 8:21 seven minutes after the hijacking.

Flt 93 NY to Washington turned off itís transponder at 9:41 thirteen minutes after the hijacking

Flt 77 to Washington turned off itís transponder at 8:56

The Transponders provide the identity, speed and altitude of the planes. Each plane turned off their transponder at the exact point where they reached the Radar Gap so that they would become invisible. Since the planes each took off with delays, how would they know when they were reaching the gap, since they did not take off on time? How would they know where the gaps were, which were military and aviation secrets information not readily available to them?

8:46 the first plane hit

8:47 the 2nd plane changed itís transponder code then at

8:51 the 2nd plane turned

8:54 the 3rd plane turned and at

8:56 that plane turned off itís transponder code.

On December 1, 1984 there was an Air Force simulation of ĎControlled Impactí whereby an airplane was flown into a simulated building at Edwards Air Force Base. Raytheon developed the technology for JPALS.

August 25, 2001 at Holloman Air Force Base A Federal Express 727 200 Aircraft equipped with a Rockwell Collins GNLU 930 Multi Mode Remote Receiver was landed using Raytheon technology developed for military ground station work. The plane was controlled by remote. The military further developed the technology for 757 and 767 planes saying that they needed it in case of weather problems so that the planes would be fully interoperable with military and civilian systems.

Sept 11, 2001 - The first plane that hit the trade center climbed 10,000 feet up in one minute. (this from a hijacker who had never flown a commercial airliner before) and he had the savvy to turn off that transponder 7 minutes after taking off from Boston, yet was so flustered he left fuel consumption equipment and manuals in a flight bag at the airport.

The turns the planes made, the transponders being turned off at exactly the precise points they entered radar gaps to disappear from the radar screens as identifiable planes on the same day Norad was conducting a scenario of what if someone hijacks planes is either a case of extremely good luck for the hijackers or someone else controlling the planes.





More filthy lying manipulated pablum being passed around by lowlifes who hate this govt.

 

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According to this article, except for the Singer building in 1968, no modern steel skyscraper has been demolished by implosion, because they simply are not old enough yet.

Further along, he goes on to state that getting a steel building to fall into its own footprint by traditional methods is practically impossible due to the incredible strength of the structure. This would appear to substantiate beyond any doubt the OP's claim that this could and did not happen.

Page 2 : http://www.nuclear-demolition.com/controlled-demolition-wtc-nuclear-demolit ion.html

Page 1: http://www.nuclear-demolition.com/atomic-demolition-wtc-controlled-demoliti on.html

Page 3: http://www.nuclear-demolition.com/911-wtc-thermo-nuclear-demolition-how-it- works.html

By the way, I don't think the Arabs pulled this off. This absolutely does NOT mean I believe the US Govt orchestrated 9-11. No way.

This was super hi-tech black ops, with more brains and bucks behind it than our govt will ever have to spare, at least at one time. At worst there could have been a few rogue elements co-opted into participating, bad apples in the ranks are nothing new. It is not beyond possibility that there is another enemy we have not identified, in our rush to blame and avenge.

Truth is stranger than fiction, and this blows away the best James Bond. Think Moonraker.

And I am honestly sorry if you feel that digging for how this was really done, and who really did it, insults the dead. For me, it is actually a way to honor them, and bring the real crooks to light. That's real vengeance. However, I can fully understand how many if not most people would think that accepting the official story and viewing our war in the Middle East as revenge for 9-11 means that justice was done.

Me, I'm one of these folks who can't rest after a magic show until I figure out how the trick was done. And for me, the official story falls flat as a pancake.







[Edited on 9/16/2013 by BrerRabbit]

 

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lovelad, you are one angry dude.
 

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  posted on 9/18/2013 at 11:49 AM
pablum is an awfully fancy word...

 

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lovelad, you are one angry dude.



This is BoytonBrother's stock answer to anyone who doesn't agree with him.

IMO anyone who think the World Trade Center was brought down with explosives are certifiably crazy and should make an appointment with a good shrink. Anyone who think our government could pull off such an intricate plan are just insanely paranoid and devoid of common sense.

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  posted on 9/18/2013 at 03:49 PM
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More filthy lying manipulated pablum being passed around by lowlifes who hate this govt.


Earlier in your post you say this:
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Planned the war in Vietnam to make money.


You do know that the Gulf of Tonkin incident as explained by President Johnson never happened.

In order for our Constitution to work the People need to question the government. Our government is made up of people. People are flawed and greedy. To cede complete unconditional trust to those people is irresponsible at best and potentially traitorous to our Constitution. We have a duty to question our government.

 

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  posted on 9/19/2013 at 11:43 AM
Nicely stated, Billy - especially the "flawed people" part. For once, we're on the same page!

 

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