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  posted on 8/28/2013 at 08:40 PM
I have heard that the entire band played together on only a few of the songs and that most of the album was overdubbed. Does anyone know the songs that thd entire band played on together? I am guessing that Can't Lose Whst You Never Had and High Falls are the two??
 
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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 03:27 AM
I think High Falls was missing the drummers

My mistake:

Due to being tied to the West Coast, much of Allman's vocals and instrumentation were recorded at the Record Plant Studios in Los Angeles, California, with the vocals and instrumentation of the rest being recorded at Capricorn Studios in Macon, Georgia. Additionally, drummers Butch Trucks and Jaimoe went missing from "Louisiana Lou and Three Card Monty John" and the Billy Joe Shaver cover "Sweet Mama (Lay Your Burdens Down)", replaced with producer Johnny Sandlin (who had drummed in the pre-Allman Brothers Band group The Hour Glass) and occasional road drummer Bill Stewart.

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 04:55 AM
I discovered the Bros. in late '72 making the first "new" record for me, "Brothers & Sisters".... Being such a classic record and playing it until it wore out, I couldn't wait for "Win, Lose or Draw"....

....Possibly the most disappointed I've ever been in anticipating an ABB release.. I can not remember the last time I've spun that disc and seriously doubt I even own it.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 07:46 AM
It's not their best album, but the opening "Can't Lose What You Never Had" is fun, and "High Falls" is probably my favorite Dickey Betts instrumental of the era. Contains a great electric piano solo from Chuck Leavell, and extended guitar solo from Dickey. Worth checking out

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 11:28 AM
This album definitely had promise with the kick off of the old Muddy Waters tune. Then it was downhill from there. I do like the title track though and "High Falls". But, I have to say that "Louisiana Lou" is probably the worst song in the entire ABB catalog (if you don't count about 98% of the Arista recordings)

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 12:04 PM
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But, I have to say that "Louisiana Lou" is probably the worst song in the entire ABB catalog (if you don't count about 98% of the Arista recordings)


I'm afraid that title belongs to...."Crazy Love".

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 02:33 PM
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But, I have to say that "Louisiana Lou" is probably the worst song in the entire ABB catalog (if you don't count about 98% of the Arista recordings)


I'm afraid that title belongs to...."Crazy Love".


Aw, come on BIGV!!!
I love that slide intro on "Crazy Love"; I thought that was a good tune to kick off the first "comeback" album. I agree the lyrics are a little high-school-ish but the music is good; kinda invoked the old Brother Duane sound for just a minute.

 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 04:48 PM
Believe me. If the bros played that album at one of their shows a lot of people would be happy here.
 

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  posted on 8/29/2013 at 04:54 PM
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But, I have to say that "Louisiana Lou" is probably the worst song in the entire ABB catalog (if you don't count about 98% of the Arista recordings)


I'm afraid that title belongs to...."Crazy Love".


Aw, come on BIGV!!!
I love that slide intro on "Crazy Love"; I thought that was a good tune to kick off the first "comeback" album. I agree the lyrics are a little high-school-ish but the music is good; kinda invoked the old Brother Duane sound for just a minute.


Imho, The EXACT same riff he used on "California Blues" & "Out to get me"......in '77 & '78.

 

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 06:56 PM
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But, I have to say that "Louisiana Lou" is probably the worst song in the entire ABB catalog (if you don't count about 98% of the Arista recordings)


I'm afraid that title belongs to...."Crazy Love".


Aw, come on BIGV!!!
I love that slide intro on "Crazy Love"; I thought that was a good tune to kick off the first "comeback" album. I agree the lyrics are a little high-school-ish but the music is good; kinda invoked the old Brother Duane sound for just a minute.


Imho, The EXACT same riff he used on "California Blues" & "Out to get me"......in '77 & '78.


Exactly. I think he threw it into the middle of some songs on the Arista albums too. Dickey is a great guitar player but slide was not his thing. That said, he did a remarkable job of keeping slide in the ABB sound after Duane died and I'll always love his work on "Ain't Wastin' Time No More" but it's easy to hear why he brought in a slide player when reforming in 1989 and on Pattern Disruptive.

On the theme of Win, Lose Or Draw, I listen to it fairly often, mostly because I have lots of live shows and few of those tunes are on the live shows, so to hear something different I listen to the neglected albums a lot, even the Arista records once in a while and I've come to appreciate them for what they are. Once you get past them not being on par with the first 4 and then listen to CDB and Marshall Tucker of the same era you see those records are fairly decent offerings in a **** ty musical and corporate environment.

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  posted on 8/30/2013 at 07:36 PM
Considering the staggering blows the band had suffered about a year apart and the way it effected them. Johnny said he was surprised they got another album done. It was a very bad time to say the least..

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 12:39 PM


I've always thought the mix was a bit lifeless and flat - i think it would be a different beast with a good remix - i like the tunes

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 06:33 PM
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It's not their best album, but the opening "Can't Lose What You Never Had" is fun, and "High Falls" is probably my favorite Dickey Betts instrumental of the era. Contains a great electric piano solo from Chuck Leavell, and extended guitar solo from Dickey. Worth checking out


X2 on "High Falls". There's just something magical about that song...maybe the shrooms.

I thought the album cover was pretty neat.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 07:00 PM
High Falls is a great tune. The title track and You Can't Lose... are decent
I remember borrowing the album from a friend and deciding I did not need to buy it. Don't regret the decision

As BigAnn says, you can hear the problems that the band was having all over this record.

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 07:02 PM
The first time I heard "Crazy Love", I thought it was the best song Lynnyrd Skynnard had ever recorded.

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 07:10 PM
Not me -- repetitive or not I loved that nasty slide lick that opened the song -- then, with Butch & Jaimoe falling right in behind it -- well LS was the farthest thing from my ears at the moment -- Rusty you misspelled their name btw -- hehe
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Am one of the few that likes WLorD front to back, except for Sweet Mama -- thought that was just filler

 

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  posted on 9/1/2013 at 09:06 PM
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Am one of the few that likes WLorD front to back, except for Sweet Mama -- thought that was just filler


It's basically the same slide lick mentioned a couple of times here....

 

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  posted on 9/2/2013 at 08:50 AM
Lord almighty! When you gotta a good lick use that mofo. Dickey is a heck of a slide player - one of my favorites for sure. You can tell its him on slide just like you can tell it's him on regular guitar within just a few notes. Elmore James played the exact same song same key everytime and nobody gives him sh*t.

 

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