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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 12:25 PM
Made Up Mind Full Album is streaming up here in Canada on the CBC

http://music.cbc.ca/#/blogs/2013/8/First-Play-Tedeschi-Trucks-Band-Made-Up- Mind

Derek Trucks Interview

"I think many of us get stuck in a rut of thinking that a song needs to be eight minutes or have a guitar solo go on for so many choruses for it to be good. And thatís just not true." (Derek speaks the truth)

http://www.nj.com/entertainment/music/index.ssf/2013/08/tedeschi_trucks_ban d_rolls_back_to_new_jersey_with_fresh_material.html


 
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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 02:59 PM
Anyone get this to play?

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 04:57 PM
It'll work fine if you're in Canada.

The rest of you can stream it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1001298401&ref= musslide_tedeschi&pf_rd_p=1596023922

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 05:54 PM
Sounds like Derek Trucks is branching out a little more.....playing some "gritty sounding riffs!!"
I like it!! Really never heard to much of that in his repertoire.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 06:32 PM
Agreed. Derek is a visionary lead guitar player but I have not thought of him as a riffmeister.

As for Derek's comment, it is true. However, I remain a lover of 8 minute songs and epic solos!! I am looking forward to getting this disc.

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 08:53 PM
"I think many of us get stuck in a rut of thinking that a song needs to be eight minutes or have a guitar solo go on for so many choruses for it to be good. And thatís just not true." (Derek speaks the truth)

Maybe the ABB should try out a 4 minute version of Whipping Post with no guitar solos, to rescue their downward trend in Google search (see the other thread)... That might bring in all the 20 somethings whose short attention spans gets them lost in longer songs (Derek speaks the truth)

 

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  posted on 8/13/2013 at 09:45 PM
Well, absnj, you're twisting Derek's words to support your current pattern of slagging anything the guy says.

Derek did not say NO guitar solos. That's your hyperbole. You mention "Whipping Post" - that song clocks in at just over 5 minutes on the studio version, not exactly epic. However, they do stretch it out live - just as Derek says the TTB does with their songs live.

As far as all of the "20-somethings whose short attention spans get lost in longer songs" - think about that one. The 20-somethings are the ones who are filling the Widespread Panic and Phish and God Street Wine shows, and they delight in half-hour songs.

Derek implies - and I will expand - that the length of songs released by jam bands does not guarantee quality. However, plenty of jam band fans do measure quality by quantity - just listen for the mantra of "that killer 40-minute 'Tweezer,' brah!"

Derek and Susan & Co. have been listening to the Meters, to Motown, to Stax, to Derek & the Dominoes, to Joe Cocker, to old blues - not the stuff that many 20-somethings are out there pursuing, but stuff that does manage to say a whole lot without always taking a whole lot of time to do it.

That is not to say that Derek does not like long songs. HE did not say that. He did not say "Long songs are no good" or "Long songs cannot be good." Read his quote again. For that matter, read his interview, where he says the TTB most surely stretch out live, which they do.

He said a song does not HAVE to be long and does not HAVE to have an epic guitar solo to be good.

Too many masturbation-happy jam-band types don't get that.

We are on an Allman Brothers site; we love worthy jams on this site. However, we know that a good song can be 3:47 (Trouble No More) or 4:15 (Every Hungry Woman) or 3:29 (Don't Keep Me Wonderin') or 3:27 (Stand Back) and be utterly excellent: all killer, no filler.

And if the band wants, it can then extend it in concert. But the song needs to be great first.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 07:31 AM
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Well, absnj, you're twisting Derek's words to support your current pattern of slagging anything the guy says.

Derek did not say NO guitar solos. That's your hyperbole. You mention "Whipping Post" - that song clocks in at just over 5 minutes on the studio version, not exactly epic. However, they do stretch it out live - just as Derek says the TTB does with their songs live.

As far as all of the "20-somethings whose short attention spans get lost in longer songs" - think about that one. The 20-somethings are the ones who are filling the Widespread Panic and Phish and God Street Wine shows, and they delight in half-hour songs.

Derek implies - and I will expand - that the length of songs released by jam bands does not guarantee quality. However, plenty of jam band fans do measure quality by quantity - just listen for the mantra of "that killer 40-minute 'Tweezer,' brah!"

Derek and Susan & Co. have been listening to the Meters, to Motown, to Stax, to Derek & the Dominoes, to Joe Cocker, to old blues - not the stuff that many 20-somethings are out there pursuing, but stuff that does manage to say a whole lot without always taking a whole lot of time to do it.

That is not to say that Derek does not like long songs. HE did not say that. He did not say "Long songs are no good" or "Long songs cannot be good." Read his quote again. For that matter, read his interview, where he says the TTB most surely stretch out live, which they do.

He said a song does not HAVE to be long and does not HAVE to have an epic guitar solo to be good.

Too many masturbation-happy jam-band types don't get that.

We are on an Allman Brothers site; we love worthy jams on this site. However, we know that a good song can be 3:47 (Trouble No More) or 4:15 (Every Hungry Woman) or 3:29 (Don't Keep Me Wonderin') or 3:27 (Stand Back) and be utterly excellent: all killer, no filler.

And if the band wants, it can then extend it in concert. But the song needs to be great first.


Jim, my comment was sarcastic, not serious. I am sorry you did not get that. And BTW I agree with most of what you say.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 08:13 AM
i heard the stream on amazon last night,liked the gritty sounding stuff which i have thought there hasnt been enough of in their earlier albums
 

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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 09:38 AM
Ya I was happy to hear some nice drive-heavy guitar, Revelator seemed like a pretty clean cut album with some gritty parts, but this one really seems to tear it up. The end of "The Storm" sounds great too with the drummers really pushing behind the solo.

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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 01:09 PM
Oh man. I wasn't sure I could last another week. This sounds outstanding, with more energy and better songwriting overall than Revelator. I'm not sure I can rate one song up there with Midnight in Harlem yet, but Made Up Mind is a lot of fun, The Storm is great, and It's So Heavy is remarkable.

 

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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 05:40 PM
"Derek is a visionary lead guitar player but I have not thought of him as a riffmeister."

When I heard Derek and Susan were doing a full-time band together, I expected a lot of blues, and even the Motown/funk stuff was something I saw coming.

What I did NOT expect was the heavy rock riffage of tunes like Nobody's Free and Learn How To Love. I never expected to hear Derek Trucks play something and say "That sounds like a Zeppelin riff!"

The focus of the band is still mainly in a funk/soul/R+B vein, but it's the "riffmeister" songs that are my favorite TTB material.

 
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  posted on 8/14/2013 at 08:26 PM
I liked them at PNC. THey sounded a little harder rock and more jazzy stretching out. Thank GOd. I loved the first cd but it had a sort of mid tempo thing going on that after a while can be tedious. I liked a bunch of the jamming outros and intros and if Derek is saying they aren't going to be jamming, well they did.

Yet, they can jam more intensely, especially more jazzy and harder rock riffs as far as I am concerned. I even think Susan should sit out a tune or two and just let them play an instrumental or two for each show.

That is the promise I felt (and excited about it) from PNC. Let's just say I didn't buy tickets for Jones Beach nor for all three nights of the Beacon. NO need when the set lists are static. Covers can only go so far, mid-tempo sweetness can only go so far.

So I liked the new songs very much.


LOL. :-)

Oh, and I liked the Black Crowes with Jackie Greene a lot. And thanks for the links.


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"Derek is a visionary lead guitar player but I have not thought of him as a riffmeister."

When I heard Derek and Susan were doing a full-time band together, I expected a lot of blues, and even the Motown/funk stuff was something I saw coming.

What I did NOT expect was the heavy rock riffage of tunes like Nobody's Free and Learn How To Love. I never expected to hear Derek Trucks play something and say "That sounds like a Zeppelin riff!"

The focus of the band is still mainly in a funk/soul/R+B vein, but it's the "riffmeister" songs that are my favorite TTB material.


Agreed - and Learn How To Love and Nobody's Free are by far my favorite TTB songs so far. Well, them and the still captivating even after so many listens Midnight in Harlem.

My review of the new album after one listen - overall positive. Some very nice playing throughout. First time through Whiskey Legs, Do I Look Worried, Made Up Mind, Part of Me, and The Storm were the tracks I like best. There's a few of these tunes I can imagine becoming real ragers live - Whiskey Legs especially and a couple others fade out just as things really start to cook - which I must say is annoying. If I get to produce their next record (odds of this currently off the board in Vegas) I'll say "Give me eight 8 minute songs Derek and stretch them out to 12-15 mins live!" - but I know that's exactly counter to what they are trying to do in the studio. As a result, I'll go see them anytime they come within 6 hours of me - but rarely play their studio record - and I guess that's ok.

A few songs on here are a little too downtempo for my taste. An album comprised of the best of this release and the best of Revelator that winnows out all the more tepid offerings would be truly unbelievable.

Overall, good record on first listen, some moments of greatness, Derek is incredible as always, can't wait to see some of these new tunes live.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2013 at 10:56 AM
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When I heard Derek and Susan were doing a full-time band together, I expected a lot of blues, and even the Motown/funk stuff was something I saw coming.

What I did NOT expect was the heavy rock riffage of tunes like Nobody's Free and Learn How To Love. I never expected to hear Derek Trucks play something and say "That sounds like a Zeppelin riff!"

In my mind I'd been crediting some of that to Krasno, but I don't think he has a writing credit on Nobody's Free. Speaking of which I noticed that Mike only has one co-writing credit on this one (Part of Me). That helps explain the solo album, I think.

As for the songwriting thing... it should be noted this is something a lot of artists say. You never hear anyone say 'we wanted to focus less on songwriting on this album'- I think the equivalent is saying something like 'we wanted this one to have the energy of our live shows' 'we wanted to cut loose jam and more,' but nobody ever says they're de-emphasizing songwriting. The Hendrix comparison is apt; he didn't take too many huge guitar solos on his albums. There's Voodoo Chile and 1983, but there are also many, many tightly constructed songs. (I know Derek has said The Wind Cries Mary was Hendrix's best song.) The question is, having said you're focusing on writing songs, how well you execute that plan? Derek's last couple of records weren't that heavy on solos either and there were some great songs on each, but this may be their strongest top-to-bottom group of songs.

 

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  posted on 8/15/2013 at 11:33 AM
The allaboutjazz review that the TTB just posted on their twitter.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=45015#.Ug0B46wkwVg

 

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The allaboutjazz review that the TTB just posted on their twitter.

http://www.allaboutjazz.com/php/article.php?id=45015#.Ug0B46wkwVg


Cool review and i just listened to the stream on Amazon and all i can say is "Wow"!

 

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Maybe the ABB should try out a 4 minute version of Whipping Post with no guitar solos, to rescue their downward trend in Google search (see the other thread)... That might bring in all the 20 somethings whose short attention spans gets them lost in longer songs (Derek speaks the truth)


ouch!

when are we gonna see a show at Havana again?

 

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  posted on 8/15/2013 at 03:44 PM
listening now

 

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  posted on 8/15/2013 at 10:42 PM
We are lovin' the new album and waiting for TTB to come on back to the west coast! Can't wait to hear these tunes in person.

Derek has managed the impossible: To be a virtuoso, to keep playing music he loves to play with the people he wants to play with, to be successfully married to a woman who is his perfect match, and to be able to manage his business and home life so he can be with the woman he loves and to be there for his kids.

any one of these takes real dedication, but he's hitting on all cylinders. Derek is the antithesis of the drug addled, selfish rock hero. He has learned from his idols on every level. And no way could he do this without having spectacular support from the people around him.

Never have understood the criticism leveled at him for doing what he wants to do.

I do understand having different musical tastes and for that, there is a large and ever-growing catalog of other bands.

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  posted on 8/16/2013 at 08:03 AM
Wow, check out that note Susan hits at the end of the second track "Do I look Worried"!

 

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  posted on 8/16/2013 at 10:18 AM
Do I Look Worried takes some really interesting turns. The changes remind me a little bit of Until You Remember from the first album. Misunderstood is terrific- during the bridge Susan does some swooping things I haven't heard her do very much, and she gets into a part of her upper register that doesn't seem to show up a lot.

 

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  posted on 8/16/2013 at 10:37 AM
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It'll work fine if you're in Canada.

The rest of you can stream it here: http://www.amazon.com/gp/feature.html?ie=UTF8&docId=1001298401&ref= musslide_tedeschi&pf_rd_p=1596023922

Thanks for the link.
Great cd. I like this much more than Revelator.

 

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We are lovin' the new album and waiting for TTB to come on back to the west coast! Can't wait to hear these tunes in person.

Derek has managed the impossible: To be a virtuoso, to keep playing music he loves to play with the people he wants to play with, to be successfully married to a woman who is his perfect match, and to be able to manage his business and home life so he can be with the woman he loves and to be there for his kids.

any one of these takes real dedication, but he's hitting on all cylinders. Derek is the antithesis of the drug addled, selfish rock hero. He has learned from his idols on every level. And no way could he do this without having spectacular support from the people around him.

Never have understood the criticism leveled at him for doing what he wants to do.

I do understand having different musical tastes and for that, there is a large and ever-growing catalog of other bands.

We are dedicated fans.





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  posted on 8/16/2013 at 12:19 PM
Totally digging the outro to The Storm. Grooving like hell, that is!

 

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