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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 04:02 PM
I know i'm gonna take a bunch of heat over this one....(DINO) but i'm on my first listen through of Courtneys new album that just came out today.....perhaps its a guilty pleasure of mine...BUT I LOVE IT.

not as good as her stuff with HOLE but good fun heavy pop.....it doesnt suck and is a fun listen.

vh1.com will let you preview it and if you have total recorder you can grab a prelim copy till you get to the store.....

i love how she sings "with alll my money....its still not as good as the drugs...."

this bitch pours out her soul. i doubt she keeps too many secrets about herself considering the things she sings about.....

flame away....

[Edited on 2/10/2004 by LinnieXX]

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 04:04 PM
There's no such thing as bad music...

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 04:12 PM
Speaking of overrated bands/musicians.....

She looks good naked though!!

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 04:15 PM
i wouldnt exactly call her overrated. most people dont even rate her. that would make her underrated.

herion chic is soooo overdone....

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 04:57 PM
I don't think it's possible for Courtney to be overrated. She's treated like a modern equivalent of Yoko Ono. When Kurt was alive, she was famous but rarely got the credit for her own work, after he died people thought she was piggybacking, and now her reputation is worse!

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 05:15 PM
please...i just ate...
 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 05:27 PM
By all accounts, it got a west coast, Beach Boys kinda feel to it ....

( love ya Linnie !! ) you can smack me in about 5 weeks !

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 07:21 PM
Well Linnie, here's a scathing review from today's Philadelphia Inquirer

No subject like Courtney for Courtney Love
By Tom Moon
Inquirer Music Critic

Let us count the firsts represented by Courtney Love's solo debut, the set of narcissistic profundities called America's Sweetheart that arrives in stores today.

It's Love's first musical utterance since Hole, her esteemed post-punk band, dissolved after issuing the Grammy-nominated Celebrity Skin in 1998. It's the first time the former Ms. Kurt Cobain - whose travails since her husband's 1994 suicide include substance abuse and the battle to retain custody of her daughter, Frances Bean - has written with pricey repertoire-rescue specialists such as Linda Perry and Bernie Taupin.

It's also the first time that this canny student of the rock-star pose has been swallowed whole by the myth she once mocked.

On "Hold On to Me," the first big-production power ballad of Love's career - and the only Sweetheart selection that she wrote alone - the 39-year-old repeatedly declares, in a battery-acid voice low on redeeming irony, "I am the center of the universe."

Not that she had to say it. On harangue after tiresome harangue, it's clear that the not-so-gloriously dissipated Love, who is immortalized as a pinup girl on America's cover, is down to one subject. There is nothing more interesting to Courtney than Courtney - her supersize starved-ego desires; the men who visit her bed; and the drugs she evidently ingests, in copious quantities, to take her mind off the men.

Throughout this mostly tuneless indulgence, Love spoons out calculated outrageousness designed to reinforce her lurid public persona. She's the indulged widow on an endless Botox and collagen L.A. bender, popping pills because "you're fat" and pills because "I'm bored." A rock star for the reality-TV age, Love eagerly confesses to all sorts of inconsequential decadence, only to bury in her manufactured outrage the spring-loaded guitars and hard-charging backbeats that once backed up the bluster and made even her most implausible tales musically compelling.

"With all of my money, it doesn't feel as good as the drugs," she croons on "All the Drugs." Intended as an illuminated discussion of addiction, the song dissolves into a painfully ordinary junkie's jones. She sputters like a coked-up existentialist on a cartoonish "Sunset Strip," lamenting the "nights we wasted in the Hollywood Hills, 'cause we know we're too good for tomorrow."

Love identifies as the "porno-riffic" girl on a musical mash note to Strokes singer Julian Casablancas ("But Julian, I'm a Little Bit Older Than You"), but her croaked come-ons make her sound like a hooker past her prime. She doesn't get much help from the song's chorus, which goes, "I see Paris, I see France, I can see your underpants." Now there's some brazen new-rock rebellion for you.

Substituting slut-speak for seduction, confusing histrionics for drama and generic buzzing guitars for melody, Love joins other big names in rock history - Jim Morrison during his poetry-spewing Lizard King phase, Queen when it kept churning out arena anthems - that got buried under their own conceits. It would be fine to hear about Love's urges if the troubled star ever ventured from her chateau long enough to engage what most of us know as the real world.

It's an enduring rock impulse to escape or transform one's circumstances by hitting the road or cranking up the guitar. Such responses are too cerebral for America's Sweetheart. Here, maintaining a buzz is the only job that matters. Love isn't seeking Cobain-style catharsis. She's not trying to sort through life's vicissitudes like Elliott Smith.

No, the entire narrative of songs such as "Mono," "I'll Do Anything," and "Hello" is about being the freak show, defending her right to run the freak show, celebrating the freak show, and getting the next fix to keep the freak show running.

The problem is, we never really experience the freak show. The music that runs underneath Love's savage, throat-shredding screams is 100 percent menace-free boilerplate rock - Morse code rhythm riffs running alongside a hurtling, nothing-left-to-the-imagination backbeat. There's Love doing everything she can to say, "Look, Ma, I'm dangerous!," and there's her Hole-lite band doing everything it can to soften the blow, hoping to somehow weasel onto the radio.

How bad does it get? The album's two pathetic, pleading power ballads, "Hold On to Me" and "Uncool," were produced by her label's chairman and chief executive officer, Matt Serletic, in an easygoing, warm-milk style that recalls his successes with Santana and matchbox twenty. Might Sweetheart, the Love solo launch that's been in the pipeline for three years, be an example of an executive stepping in to do last-minute damage control?

What's sad about this whole debacle is that we need a Courtney Love right about now. We need some stem-winding provocateur whose ideas, and not just her indulgences, might shake rock out of its torpor.

When, on the furiously blathering first single, "Mono," Love asks, "Did you miss me?," the only possible response is yes. We miss the feminist who challenged stereotypical notions of beauty with "Doll Parts," the lyricist who used shoreline imagery to express alienation in "Malibu" and talked about being "pretty on the inside" as if it were her only shot at redemption.

That Love is apparently long gone, replaced by a grotesque, sensation-seeking, imitation rock star who's begging for attention as she masquerades as America's Sweetheart



Courtney Love poses as a pinup girl for her debut solo album.

[Edited on 2/11/2004 by TerriB]

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 08:41 PM
WOW I did not think someone would put in sooo much time & effort to cut down a CD.... Just say the disc stinks (if you don't like it)

Courtney must have dissed the writer at the paper at some time in the past....

 

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  posted on 2/10/2004 at 09:31 PM
why do i think Courtney Love is sexy? I've been washing my mouth out with soap for the last 30 minutes. She's sexy in a heroin kinda way.


Maybe it's her role in People Vs Larry Flint.

 

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WOW I did not think someone would put in sooo much time & effort to cut down a CD.... Just say the disc stinks (if you don't like it)

You're kidding, right? The guy is PAID TO WRITE MUSIC CRITICISM. If he's given 1,000 words to talk about the new CD, he can't just hand in "It stinks." "It stinks" doesn't help the reader, either, since the idea is to explain your opinions.

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Courtney must have dissed the writer at the paper at some time in the past....

I swear, some people think rock critics only give bad reviews for personal reasons, not because they sometimes don't like the album. This isn't gonna be the only bad review she gets, you know.

[Edited on 2/11/2004 by Marley]

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 12:05 AM
YEAHHHHH MARLEY, MARLEY, MARLEY..........U RULE MARLEY
 
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WOW I did not think someone would put in sooo much time & effort to cut down a CD.... Just say the disc stinks (if you don't like it)

You're kidding, right? The guy is PAID TO WRITE MUSIC CRITICISM. If he's given 1,000 words to talk about the new CD, he can't just hand in "It stinks." "It stinks" doesn't help the reader, either, since the idea is to explain your opinions.

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Courtney must have dissed the writer at the paper at some time in the past....

I swear, some people think rock critics only give bad reviews for personal reasons, not because they sometimes don't like the album. This isn't gonna be the only bad review she gets, you know.

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"It stinks!" would say it all for me. I think Billy is suggesting the writer pass on the subject matter if so opinionated. A critic should be going in with an open mind and knowledge of the subject with an appreciation of the musical style. Most have made up their minds before listening or viewing. Also Billy K has worked in the industry for many years and knows the ins and outs as well as the personalities in the music industries. Cream magazine did all their business bashing the popular artists of the day Mostly Led Zeppelin because they wouldn't give in to the media. Truth is that they didn't give a crap about Lester Bangs and fellow media. I have worked in both print and radio and people will definitely hold a grudge. Even me!

 

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"It stinks!" would say it all for me. I think Billy is suggesting the writer pass on the subject matter if so opinionated.

If you read a review that just said "it stinks," wouldn't you want to know why or how the reviewer came to that conclusion? Without explanation, there's no point in having the feature in the first place. (And you could argue there IS no point in having it, but that's a whole other thing.)

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A critic should be going in with an open mind and knowledge of the subject with an appreciation of the musical style. Most have made up their minds before listening or viewing.

I wouldn't dispute that. I really can't say this strikes me as one of those pieces, though... he says a number of nice things about her and the music she made with Hole. So he sounds to me like a guy who knows her style of music, and it doesn't sound to me like he hates it or made up his mind not to like this album.

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I have worked in both print and radio and people will definitely hold a grudge. Even me!

Hey, I'm not saying people in the media don't hold grudges. I just feel like every review I read, someone or other will suggest it was written only because the writer was insulted by the artist.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 12:56 AM
Give all the space wasted on bad reviews and write about the ABB. I would prefer to read that.

If you enjoy Love's music then have fun. Personally i think her 15 minutes were up long ago. Maybe she should kiss Brittany or grab Janet's breast or both.

 

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What do bad musicians play?

 

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If that writer wants something to ''shake rock out of it's torpor'' he should hit a Gov't Mule show or two. Also, I don't think Hiram Walker distillery's yearly output of Crown Royal would be enough to ever make me think Courtney Love is sexy.

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 09:03 AM
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Give all the space wasted on bad reviews and write about the ABB. I would prefer to read that.



Believe me, this writer knows his stuff and has been around for quite some time. He did review Hittin' the Note, gave it a good review and he wrote the Performance review for Rolling Stone after the ABB's opening show at the Beacon last year. I sent him a "thank you" e-mail and sent him a copy of the 3/21/03 show which he thanked me for. I believe he has also said nice things about Gov't Mule.

 

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There's no such thing as bad music...


Apparently you've never heard of the Carpenters have you Chad?

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 10:05 AM
It was a well-written review IMO regardless of its content which was of my minimal interest.

 

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There's no such thing as bad music... *

If I hear that Dido song on the radio one more time.....

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 10:16 AM
I contend there is no bad music...somebody likes it and that's cool. You don't have to like it....it doesn't have to meet your tastes, but if somebody enjoys it, then it's good. I don't like a lot of music types....doesn't mean it's bad....music is good, people....good music is great!

 

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*I contend there is no bad music...somebody likes it and that's cool. You don't have to like it....it doesn't have to meet your tastes, but if somebody enjoys it, then it's good. I don't like a lot of music types....doesn't mean it's bad....music is good, people....good music is great!*

I dunno.... music can also be done in really bad taste. Like Puff & Page's collaboration. It's a nice way of thinking Sandman... but something like that, makes me think twice b/c it ain't alright.

 

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kidding, right? The guy is PAID TO WRITE MUSIC CRITICISM. If he's given 1,000 words to talk about the new CD, he can't just hand in "It stinks." "It stinks" doesn't help the reader, either, since the idea is to explain your opinions.


I guess my irony was a bit too well concealed. Granted, I do expect a reviewer to give a review, not just say a disc is bad (I want to know what they think about it and I can judge from there). However I know alot of music writers also like to whip out their thesaurus to prove that they can exercise their word usage to look impressive. How impressive a writer can you be if you have to review CDs... A few real music writers have a true passion for it, however most view it as a bad pit stop to writing news or feature stories.

However the funniest review I ever read was for MADONNA - Vogue ..........The entire review was just this : Bogue

 

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  posted on 2/11/2004 at 10:30 AM
And the review for your album Shark Sandwich? It was two words: Sh!t Sandwich.

 

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