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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 07:16 AM
..... of new material/studio work in the last 19 yrs. I was thinking the other night it's been 10 since Hittin The Note and 19yrs since Where it all Begins. Man ,time flies.

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 08:54 AM
Ouch, it hurts to think of it that way.

Too much touring, too many solo projects. Put these boys in Derek's studio for one weekend and you would have an album....

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 09:34 AM
And probably the last ones ever at this point. At least they put out some great tunes on those albums that seem to be holding up to the test of time. BWIB, No One To Run With, Desdemona, High Cost, Soulshine and couple of others are some of my favorite ABB tunes.

I don't think they could cut anything in a weekend at Derek's place, but I'd have to believe they could if Gregg & Warren hung out for a week at Gregg's house and then the band came together for 10 days or so at Derek's house. They have some friends who would surely help contribute some new music ideas (Junior Mack, Mike Mattison, Jack Pearson). Bring in Jack to be featured soloist on a song and same with Chuck L.

With Derek's focus on making TTB his true long term career it makes it even less likely at this point.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 09:40 AM
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Ouch, it hurts to think of it that way.

Too much touring, too many solo projects. Put these boys in Derek's studio for one weekend and you would have an album....


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(well maybe except for the too much touring and too many solo projects bit. If they would have been determined to keep on recording and releasing new material i'm convinced they would have found time in their schedules to do so. I still hope they record a new studio release before they seize to exist. The quantity of their studio output in 44 years as a band is definitely lacking. I personally think it will negatively effect the way the band will be perceived by music journalists and fans in 10 or 20 years from now.)

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:00 AM
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The quantity of their studio output in 44 years as a band is definitely lacking. I personally think it will negatively effect the way the band will be perceived by music journalists and fans in 10 or 20 years from now.)


The band agrees with that -- very little of this material, also SOTWorlds & STurns, sees the stage-light of day & nothing is touched from the Danny/Rook era -- hence the covers
but yes, time indeed flies
I love the ABB

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:26 AM
Yup, that's crossed my mind from time to time. I've been a fan and seeing shows for close to 20 years, and they've put out one album in that time.
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Too much touring, too many solo projects.

They're touring less than ever, Warren is a very prolific songwriter, and Derek is writing more than ever with Susan and their partners. The reasons they haven't done another new album are pretty simple: it's not really worth their while financially - not just because of the cost of making it, but because it wouldn't affect touring, which is where most of their money gets made - and Gregg has written, what, six songs in the last 30 years?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:35 AM
[quote The quantity of their studio output in 44 years as a band is definitely lacking. I personally think it will negatively effect the way the band will be perceived by music journalists and fans in 10 or 20 years from now.)


How will journalist perceive them???

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Ramblin Man, Bluesky, Melissa, Midnight Rider, Whipping Post, Jessica, IMOER, BWIAB, Seven Turns, Soulshine...etc, etc, etc...

I don't think you have try very hard to find a favorable spot for them in music history.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:38 AM
+ how much new music do you think will come from guys thier age? There is not a lot of precedence for prolific output for their age group??? I am talking about Gregg, Butch & Jaimoe ( I will even toss Dickey in there as well)

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:38 AM
Very few albums by any artist get made where anyone involved thinks it will be much of a money maker. Most people are very happy if their costs are covered. Since the ABB members seem willing to make and release music outside the ABB (Oteil, Derek, Warren, Jaimoe, Gregg) that doesn't sell as well as one the ABB would release, I think money is a factor but not the overriding one. Creative interest seems to be the main issue.

If I were in a band with this all-star lineup, I'd be creatively motivated....but I'm not in their shoes.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:46 AM
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I personally think it will negatively effect the way the band will be perceived by music journalists and fans in 10 or 20 years from now.)



I agree with that. Two of my favorite artists, Bruce Springsteen and Neil Young, are still putting out new music into their upper ages.

Why can't The ABB? And the argument that it does not make financial sense for them holds no water for me. I have a hard time believing they can't put out a CD, sell it via download or whatever even, and not turn a profit.

My other point is as artists, wouldn't a person get bored playing the same songs all the time? I don't know how some bands want to go out night after night and play the same things.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:51 AM
Wow.....I can't believe it's been that long either. I remember very well going and buying both of those when they came out. I was still in high school when "Back Where It All Begins" was released and I wore that thing out. I think it's one of their best albums. It wasn't long after that things started going downhill within the Brotherhood. But, I still say that "Hittin' The Note" is definitely the best album since "Eat A Peach"; the story of my life is in "Old Before My Time"......that one really spoke to me......and still does.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:53 AM
Yes it would be great to have a few more studio albums with new songs but my theory is if the band had been the driver/central focus for all the members during the past 10 or so years it probably would no longer exist. The fact that most all members have other projects which I believe they are more passionate about allows them all to happily get back together for the Beacon, Wanee, (and now Peachfest) and truncated tours. Great new music is being produced by members, just not as ABB. I have no complaints about the way things have played out given that I am able to see them two to four times a year live. And we all agree they are best heard live.
 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 10:54 AM
While I would love to see a new release, I'd almost rather see a good archival series of releases from the band and a good career spanning documentary/box set of existing live footage.
 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:05 PM
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[quote The quantity of their studio output in 44 years as a band is definitely lacking. I personally think it will negatively effect the way the band will be perceived by music journalists and fans in 10 or 20 years from now.)


How will journalist perceive them???

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Grammy Award Winners
Grammy Lifetime Achievement Award Winners
4 Guitarists in Rolling Stones top 100 list
Ramblin Man, Bluesky, Melissa, Midnight Rider, Whipping Post, Jessica, IMOER, BWIAB, Seven Turns, Soulshine...etc, etc, etc...

I don't think you have try very hard to find a favorable spot for them in music history.


you named 10 songs before you said etc. does it make you realize 6 of those 10 songs are written by someone who is no longer in the ABB?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:08 PM
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+ how much new music do you think will come from guys thier age? There is not a lot of precedence for prolific output for their age group??? I am talking about Gregg, Butch & Jaimoe ( I will even toss Dickey in there as well)


what do you mean? buddy guy has a new album every few years. eric burdon has released 3 albums since 2000 and is like 72. joe cocker, willie nelson and kris kristofferson are still putting out new stuff regularly. ringo and paul mccartney and bob dylan have no issues being in that age group and getting an album out. the list goes on and on about artists and bands who are in the ABB age group and still recording new stuff.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:19 PM
How about this.....

Current Line up over 12 years together.
Next closest barely half of that with Dickey, Warren & Marc from 91 - March 97

I'd love some new music from this era. They are awesome!
When they fired DB in 2000 did ANYONE think they would still be around 13 years later with one of the strongest line ups ever?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:29 PM
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How about this.....

Current Line up over 12 years together.
Next closest barely half of that with Dickey, Warren & Marc from 91 - March 97

I'd love some new music from this era. They are awesome!
When they fired DB in 2000 did ANYONE think they would still be around 13 years later with one of the strongest line ups ever?


i knew very little material would be released after DB was fired because he had a writing/co-writing credit on about 85% of the material they released since 1974

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:33 PM
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How about this.....

Current Line up over 12 years together.
Next closest barely half of that with Dickey, Warren & Marc from 91 - March 97

I'd love some new music from this era. They are awesome!
When they fired DB in 2000 did ANYONE think they would still be around 13 years later with one of the strongest line ups ever?


i knew very little material would be released after DB was fired because he had a writing/co-writing credit on about 85% of the material they released since 1974


that argument has been made before, but falls short when you look at the list of songs songs released by DB&GS.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:41 PM

i knew very little material would be released after DB was fired because he had a writing/co-writing credit on about 85% of the material they released since 1974



Warren Haynes has written approximately 1,000 songs - give or take - since Dickey Betts was fired in 2000. If the ABB wanted to put out albums - they'd of had ample material to put out about 8 or 10 in the last 13 years if they wished. For whatever reason they have no interest in making studio albums - and I'm ok with that - they are a live band first and foremost and I personally am not that interested in new studio albums. I would like for them to keep introducing new songs in the live sets though - which we saw recently with Dusk 'Till Dawn and Spots of Time and a little bit in recent years with Bag End and Egypt. I wish there were a few more new tunes in the ABB repertoire - but Warren and Derek are deploying their songs elsewhere - and that's understandable.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:51 PM
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i knew very little material would be released after DB was fired because he had a writing/co-writing credit on about 85% of the material they released since 1974



Warren Haynes has written approximately 1,000 songs - give or take - since Dickey Betts was fired in 2000. If the ABB wanted to put out albums - they'd of had ample material to put out about 8 or 10 in the last 13 years if they wished. For whatever reason they have no interest in making studio albums - and I'm ok with that - they are a live band first and foremost and I personally am not that interested in new studio albums. I would like for them to keep introducing new songs in the live sets though - which we saw recently with Dusk 'Till Dawn and Spots of Time and a little bit in recent years with Bag End and Egypt. I wish there were a few more new tunes in the ABB repertoire - but Warren and Derek are deploying their songs elsewhere - and that's understandable.


other than warren saying it what proof is there that he actually wrote over 1,000 songs since 2000?

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 12:59 PM
The 1,000 was an exaggeration meant to be funny - he's written a lot of songs over the last 13 years was my point - many Mule albums, Phil album, WHB album, the ABB album, contributed tracks to many other projects. If the ABB really wanted to do studio albums, Warren and Derek alone have written more than enough material in the last 13ish years that I'm sure they could have directed some of it toward the ABB if the rest of the band wanted them to.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 01:44 PM
I'd rather see no releases than releases with songs of sub-standard quality. And I think that is part of the issue. Since so many of the band members are involved equally in other projects, they don't have time to sit around and craft new ABB music. I don't want Warren, Gregg, Derek & Oteil to go off and write a bunch of "filler" songs and then throw them together quickly for an album... just to have an album.

Although I'm actually pretty sure I'd really enjoy that album and even an album of their filler would make me happy... it would not please most. It is not the best reason to make an album either.

The general public doesn't give a crap about the band playing new material. I loved "Hittin' the Note", yet I read so many people complaining that "Instrumental Illness" was their worst instrumental or there was "no classic material" on it and so on...

And I agree with Marley 100% no matter what the creative force is behind wanting to do an album, the financial gain is a problem they must look at.

You can compare the current ABB to anyone you like, beach situation is unique. Each of these guys live in different parts of the country, have different outside band focuses, some have different management. It is quite different than Paul McCartney recording a new album on and off for 3 years between his tour dates...

I think without those financial and creative gains, there is no point for them to do it as much as much I'd love a new album.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 01:57 PM
Look at the state of rock and roll today a zillion bands out there and 98% of them are garage bands with a computer to send out their 3 chord tunes ... country music is trying to be rock stars, and all the great musicians with a few exceptions are getting old, as are we all.... music is in it's saddest state i have seen in 50 years... I don't blame the ABB for not putting out a new LP there seems to be little money in it touring is where the money is at and they are winding down , consider yourself lucky if you have been here since the beginning,, I do..

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 02:03 PM
It doesn't really matter how many songs Warren or Derek write because the ABB is not going to do an album full of songs by Warren and Derek and covers. An ABB album needs to have songs by Gregg.

 

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  posted on 7/23/2013 at 05:49 PM
Gregg said they are going into the studio and putting something out next year and they are going to tour more for the 45th!!!

 

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