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  posted on 6/27/2013 at 05:21 PM
Listened to a couple of tracks from the box set that had one or two Ludlow Garage songs, and I am wondering if there is a Strat on any of those...? I know at one time Duane and Dickey played a Strat-was that just in the very early days? When were they both playing Gibsons? Thanks
 
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  posted on 6/27/2013 at 06:13 PM
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Listened to a couple of tracks from the box set that had one or two Ludlow Garage songs, and I am wondering if there is a Strat on any of those...? I know at one time Duane and Dickey played a Strat-was that just in the very early days? When were they both playing Gibsons? Thanks


Dickey is playing a strat at that time. There's some pictures of Duane with his goldtop and Dickey with a strat. I think he got his Goldtop soon after Ludlow

 

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  posted on 6/30/2013 at 07:33 AM
Always wondered why they didn't include "Elizabeth Reed" on the official release.....I think it's a great version

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  posted on 6/30/2013 at 09:04 AM
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Always wondered why they didn't include "Elizabeth Reed" on the official release.....I think it's a great version

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It is a great version, but for some reason the sound was horrible on Liz Reed and was not fit for public ears...thankfully, the sound improved after that and the rest of the show could be released.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 09:00 AM
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Listened to a couple of tracks from the box set that had one or two Ludlow Garage songs, and I am wondering if there is a Strat on any of those...? I know at one time Duane and Dickey played a Strat-was that just in the very early days? When were they both playing Gibsons? Thanks


Dickey is playing a strat at that time. There's some pictures of Duane with his goldtop and Dickey with a strat. I think he got his Goldtop soon after Ludlow


I believe Dickey's main guitar with the ABB prior to getting his '57 Goldtop was the '61 SG-shaped Les Paul that eventually became Duane's open E slide guitar. I think Dickey got the '57 in early 1971. Apparently he did use a Strat for a few shows - Ludlow being one.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 09:05 AM
I always thought since the day I heard it that Dickey's sound on the out solo to Dimples was just about the nastiest most brutal tone I've ever heard. It sounds like the whole amp rig is about to burst into flames...

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 09:17 AM
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I always thought since the day I heard it that Dickey's sound on the out solo to Dimples was just about the nastiest most brutal tone I've ever heard. It sounds like the whole amp rig is about to burst into flames...

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Agreed - great snarly tone. I also loved Dickey's tone on the SUNY SB Sept 71 version of One Way Out - equally snarly! Always struck me funny that Dickey's tone changed quite a bit after Duane passed - got much more "polite" or sweet.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 09:58 AM
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Always wondered why they didn't include "Elizabeth Reed" on the official release.....I think it's a great version

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It is a great version, but for some reason the sound was horrible on Liz Reed and was not fit for public ears...thankfully, the sound improved after that and the rest of the show could be released.



Funny you should say that. The first time I bought Ludlow, I took it back for a refund as "not being of merchantable quality"!

I subsequently rebought it.



 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 10:07 AM
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I always thought since the day I heard it that Dickey's sound on the out solo to Dimples was just about the nastiest most brutal tone I've ever heard. It sounds like the whole amp rig is about to burst into flames...

Awesome...


Agreed - great snarly tone. I also loved Dickey's tone on the SUNY SB Sept 71 version of One Way Out - equally snarly! Always struck me funny that Dickey's tone changed quite a bit after Duane passed - got much more "polite" or sweet.


x2 -- thery still played Statesboro & those ones but the difference was night & day -- both in Duane's absence & the sound of Dickey's guitar, not to mention the arrangement etc...
Dickey's tone on 1/20/70 UCal-Riverside -- just nasty -- that's indeed the right word -- that type of sound, & like on his sick EAP OWOut solo, kinda went away eventually...

 

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I always thought since the day I heard it that Dickey's sound on the out solo to Dimples was just about the nastiest most brutal tone I've ever heard. It sounds like the whole amp rig is about to burst into flames...

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Agreed - great snarly tone. I also loved Dickey's tone on the SUNY SB Sept 71 version of One Way Out - equally snarly! Always struck me funny that Dickey's tone changed quite a bit after Duane passed - got much more "polite" or sweet.


x2 -- thery still played Statesboro & those ones but the difference was night & day -- both in Duane's absence & the sound of Dickey's guitar, not to mention the arrangement etc...
Dickey's tone on 1/20/70 UCal-Riverside -- just nasty -- that type of sound, & like on his sick EAP OWOut solo, & the Ludlow Garage release, kinda went away eventually...

 

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I always thought since the day I heard it that Dickey's sound on the out solo to Dimples was just about the nastiest most brutal tone I've ever heard. It sounds like the whole amp rig is about to burst into flames...

Awesome...


Agreed - great snarly tone. I also loved Dickey's tone on the SUNY SB Sept 71 version of One Way Out - equally snarly! Always struck me funny that Dickey's tone changed quite a bit after Duane passed - got much more "polite" or sweet.


x2 -- thery still played Statesboro & those ones but the difference was night & day -- both in Duane's absence & the sound of Dickey's guitar, not to mention the arrangement etc...
Dickey's tone on 1/20/70 UCal-Riverside -- just nasty -- that's indeed the right word -- that type of sound, & like on his sick EAP OWOut solo, kinda went away eventually...


Right - I wonder why sometimes. He did change gear after Duane died - going to that cherry burst LP with the pick-up covers removed - seems that was his main guitar until he went back to Goldie in mid/late 70's. I think he also went with multiple 100 watt heads - and my guess is he went to only JBL speakers over maybe a JBL/Celestion mix - which would clean up or thin the tone.
Then I wonder about the impact of Duane's absence. Maybe Duane's firey style brought that out in Dickey, and made him more aggressive in tone and attack.

 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 11:09 AM
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It is a great version, but for some reason the sound was horrible on Liz Reed and was not fit for public ears...thankfully, the sound improved after that and the rest of the show could be released.


You know, it's funny because I have never heard that "Liz Reed", I traded for it twice and each time I got the "Liz Reed" it turns out it was the same as a version from another show (I can't remember which show off the top of my head)... Of course it took me a long time to realize that.

I'd love to hear the actual version...

 

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 12:42 PM
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Maybe Duane's firey style brought that out in Dickey, and made him more aggressive in tone and attack.


I've thought this for decades.... A good example is Dickey's tone on the newly released Winterland show from Sept of '73...Listen to "One Way Out"...or "Stormy Monday", gone is that nasty "crunch"....replaced by what sounds nothing like a Marshall or a Les paul
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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 01:44 PM
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Maybe Duane's firey style brought that out in Dickey, and made him more aggressive in tone and attack.


I've thought this for decades.... A good example is Dickey's tone on the newly released Winterland show from Sept of '73...Listen to "One Way Out"...or "Stormy Monday", gone is that nasty "crunch"....replaced by what sounds nothing like a Marshall or a Les paul
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Right - and it's also struck me funny that a similar thing happened to Clapton around the same time - that much of the fire in attack and tone was replaced by a more laid back approach. Maybe it was a desire to downplay the whole guitar hero thing - don't know but it's an interesting parallel given their relationships with Duane.

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  posted on 7/1/2013 at 08:53 PM
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I've thought this for decades.... A good example is Dickey's tone on the newly released Winterland show from Sept of '73...Listen to "One Way Out"...or "Stormy Monday", gone is that nasty "crunch"....replaced by what sounds nothing like a Marshall or a Les paul
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the same can be said for the rest of the band, as far as fire and aggressive tone...

 

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Maybe Duane's firey style brought that out in Dickey, and made him more aggressive in tone and attack.


I've thought this for decades.... A good example is Dickey's tone on the newly released Winterland show from Sept of '73...Listen to "One Way Out"...or "Stormy Monday", gone is that nasty "crunch"....replaced by what sounds nothing like a Marshall or a Les paul
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the same can be said for the rest of the band, as far as fire and aggressive tone...


True. Guess losing Duane just took a lot of wind out of their sails - and understandably so. Just maybe most obvious in Dickey's playing or maybe Gregg's singing.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2013 at 04:27 PM
Ludlow has always been my least favorite of the Duane-era releases... this thread prompted me to pull it out and listen again... nothing's changed for me... something about this performance just feels off kilter to me. lacks the swing, drive, cohesion of almost every Duane-era show... for me at least.

 

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Maybe Duane's firey style brought that out in Dickey, and made him more aggressive in tone and attack.


I've thought this for decades.... A good example is Dickey's tone on the newly released Winterland show from Sept of '73...Listen to "One Way Out"...or "Stormy Monday", gone is that nasty "crunch"....replaced by what sounds nothing like a Marshall or a Les paul
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the same can be said for the rest of the band, as far as fire and aggressive tone...


What?...The one guitar, changed it's tone. The bass and piano players were new members and Gregg's hammond, always sounds like, Gregg's hammond.

 

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  posted on 7/2/2013 at 09:27 PM
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Ludlow has always been my least favorite of the Duane-era releases... this thread prompted me to pull it out and listen again... nothing's changed for me... something about this performance just feels off kilter to me. lacks the swing, drive, cohesion of almost every Duane-era show... for me at least.


I think 3 tunes stand out from Ludlow - Dreams, Dimples and M Jam. I really like Duane's solo on Dreams. Dimples for Duane's rare lead vocal and the hot guitar work from DA and DB, and I always thought that was a cool M Jam. YMMV, of course.

 

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