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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 11:53 AM
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I found out yesterday that there are still tickets available for The Rolling Stones show next week, May 8th, at HP Pavilion in San Jose. Yes, five days before a Stones show, and you can still buy tickets, and this is face value, not a scalper. Curious, I looked on ticketmaster. The LOWEST priced seat still available is upper deck on the side of the stage. They are $247 each. With fees it comes to $545 for two tickets. ARE YOU KIDDING ME? I just saw The Who from the rear upper deck at Oracle Arena in Oakland three months ago for $37.50 + fees. I hope Mick and Keith walk onstage to a half-empty arena.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:02 PM
I think that for every one of us who believe this is too much cash to plunk down to see these guys, there are TEN who are excited about seeing them for the first time.

Get it while you can. Just ask the clowns in Skynyrd.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:07 PM
Yes .. considering they haven't put out a good album since 1976 (Black and Blue) IMO.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:18 PM
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I think that for every one of us who believe this is too much cash to plunk down to see these guys, there are TEN who are excited about seeing them for the first time.

Get it while you can. Just ask the clowns in Skynyrd.



Well Vince, where are those "TEN"?? They are certainly not gobbling up seats. I would like to see them one last time as well, but I certainly can't afford THAT. I just got two reserved seats for Dylan, Wilco, My Morning Jacket, and Ryan Bingham. Including fees, it was $124.70 for two. Are you telling me Dylan is any less a legend than the Stones? And throw in three other good bands to boot??

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:23 PM
As someone mentioned, they have only gone to far if there are empty seats. If the arena's are full, then good on em. Personally, I have seen the band in many different venues over the years and for the amount of shows I go to each year I am not hitting the bid on this one. I would sooner buy the 500 Beacon tix for the brothers.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:29 PM
Silicon Valley is full of fat wallets.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:35 PM
Answer to your question: YES.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:53 PM
They get paid whether fans show up or not. I like the Stones but is the current version worth seeing if you have never seen them before?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 12:54 PM
Promoters set the prices not the band. For every one of those $247 tickets they have to sell about 6.5 of the what you paid for The Two to make the same money. If they sell 1,000 of those high priced tickets they could have 6000 empty seats and come out ahead.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 01:26 PM
AAARRRRRRGGGGHHHH, MATEYS, IF YOU DON'T GIVE US THE TREASURE THEN WALK THE PLANK !!!!


 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 02:01 PM
I saw Keith at Crossroads play with Clapton. We paid roughly $1,000 for two tickets for two nights. Roughly five hours of music per night. There is no freaking way I'd pay that much to see the Stones play one night. And I'm Someone who just saw five ABB shows at the Beacon too.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 02:10 PM
I guess I'd question the "This Time" part of the OP's original question. They got that ball rolling not long after Steel Wheels tour, which was almost 25 years ago. But yes, too far this time again.

A great band, no doubt, but I just couldn't possibly justify spending that kind of cash to see them again. Maybe if I won the lotto, and even then still a maybe on moral grounds. Pretty cool they're taking Mick Taylor on the road with them though, even if just for 1-2 songs each night.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 02:31 PM
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-01/rolling-stones-tickets-gather-moss -as-600-seats-for-sale.html

Rolling Stones Tickets Gather Moss as $600 Seats for Sale

The Rolling Stones are finding out: you can’t always get what you want.
Rolling Stones Tickets Gather Moss With $600 Seats Unsold

With the group’s “50 and Counting” tour kicking off in Los Angeles on May 3, pairs of $600 floor seats were still available yesterday for Staples Center arena, based on the sales website of Anschutz Entertainment Group Inc., the Staples owner and promoter of the Rolling Stones tour.

“To anyone not working in investment banking, these are extremely expensive tickets,” said Gary Bongiovanni, editor-in- chief of Pollstar, a concert-industry magazine.

To fill Staples Center, AEG has begun lowering prices. More $85 tickets are being made available, the band said on April 30 at Rollingstones.com. Those were the only tickets sold out for the May 3 show, according to the AEG website.

“By the time the show starts, they’ll fill every seat at the arena,” Bongiovanni said in a phone interview. “It just won’t be with people who paid $600 a seat.”

AEG said in a statement the date of the first show had to be moved by a day because of professional basketball and hockey playoffs at Staples, requiring the company to offer refunds to some fans.

“We fully expect Friday’s Staples Center show to be sold out and are very pleased with ticket sales for all upcoming shows,” Los Angeles-based AEG said.

Bob Lefsetz, publisher of an industry e-mail newsletter, wrote about the availability of seats yesterday.

The Stones announced plans for a nine-city North American tour on April 3, including shows in Oakland, Anaheim and San Jose, California, Las Vegas, Toronto, Chicago, Boston and Philadelphia. A Montreal stop was added on April 16. No dates are planned for New York.

Last year, the Stones marked their 50th anniversary, having first played at the Marquee Club in London in 1962. They played dates at the O2 London, Brooklyn’s Barclays Center, New York, and the Prudential Center Newark.

The last major tour by Mick Jagger’s men was A Bigger Bang, which had revenue of $558 million from 2005 to 2007, according to Billboard. The U2 360 shows generated a record $736 million from 2009 to 2011, overtaking the Stones, Billboard reported.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 02:33 PM
Stones Tickets

It’s a disaster.


And it’s hiding in plain sight. All you’ve got to do is go to their site and see what’s available, your jaw will drop.

Enthralled with the ancient British rockers, the mainstream press has completely dropped the ball on this story. So busy reporting last weekend’s club gig, the sycophantic reporters refuse to do any…reporting. To see that the bottom just dropped out of the Stones business.

Yes, go to Rolling Stones

And click to “Get Tickets.”

Then pull up May 3rd’s gig at the Staples Center in Los Angeles, America’s number two market, home to more poseurs than anywhere but the Cote d’Azur.

First you’ll be stunned how seamlessly AXS works. We’ve been told for eons that Ticketmaster is an unbeatable champion. But AXS is faster, easier and just an all-around better experience.

So pick the May 3rd gig. If you can’t navigate to this page, stop reading this now, you’re too ignorant to get the points I’m going to be making anyway.

Select 2 seats. Don’t allow for splits. There are frequently single seats available in good sections for the most desirable gigs.

Select “Best seat at any price level.”

Then click on “Find Tickets.”

Whew!

You can sit right down front!

But it gets better!

You can still get 8 seats together in desirable sections!

Which means…

Sales are horrific.

It’s even worse for the May 20th gig. You can still get 8 seats together right down front!

How did this happen?

GREED!

Let me tell you how this works. AEG pays the Stones whether they sell out or they don’t, whether anybody shows up or the hall is empty.

This is a far cry from the way business was done in the years the Stones became the “World’s Greatest Rock & Roll Band.”

Used to be there was a guarantee, and then a split after break even.

But then Michael Cohl revolutionized the business.

And then Bob Sillerman rolled up the promoters and the acts had a field day, raping big time promoters for huge guarantees.

And the small shows got squeezed out, only the big ones counted in the mind of the public. And the Internet burgeoned. And suddenly, scalping became rampant. Even via the eBay company StubHub, never mind by individuals speculating.

And the game was rigged. There were so many pre-sales and holdbacks that demand seemed to outstrip supply in all cases. So resale prices went through the roof!

And until 2008, everybody was loaded with cash, the rich still are, they want to go to the show not to see it, but to say they were there.

And Mick Jagger is pissed these people have more money than he does. He wants to fly private and vacation without the hoi polloi, so he needs to rip you off, he needs to get all that money!

That’s what the inflated ticket prices are all about. Making sure scalpers don’t get the markup.

But this time around, prices are so damn high the public is balking, which surprises even me, because this truly looks like the last tour. But what we’ve learned here is the mania surrounding recent Stones shows has been created by the press, there’s just not that much demand, people cared more about Miley Cyrus and Beanie Babies. Yes, parents care more about their kids than decrepit rockers.

The initial shows last fall did well. Because of the mainstream press around the marketing angle of fifty years…

But just like the Cream comeback was an event in London and a dud in New York City, the bloom is off the rose, there’s no story, people just don’t care.

Do they care for $100?

A lot more.

Then again, the Stones have been doing weak business for eons. You could always get a ticket.

So where does this leave us?

In the land of Kid Rock. Where everybody scales back, where we have a reset, where even the execs take less.

Because what once was is no longer.

The Stones have jumped the shark.

And that means most of the other classic rock acts have too.

Furthermore, if you think the Stones are phenomenal in concert, you haven’t seen them, or are used to the Grateful Dead. They lock on occasionally, otherwise, it’s rough.

So if you’re against paperless ticketing, you’re a weasel. That’s what delivered $600 tickets, fear that the scalpers would take too much of the profit.

And if you’re against airline style variable pricing, you’re part of the problem too. Because if we had such a system, AEG could lower the price and sell out. But now they can’t.

Oh, they’ll find some way to fill the hall. The biggest stars paper, from Springsteen to Kenny Chesney.

And a loss is in the offing, unless the Stones give back.

But they won’t.

But maybe they will. Dainty dropped out because he couldn’t come up with the money. Maybe if AEG does a great job they’ll get a better, profitable deal in the rest of the world.

Yes, at some point, everybody drops out. The deal becomes too expensive. Not only for the promoters, but the public.

But this is what income inequality has wrought. Acts pissed that record sales have dropped have raised ticket prices so high the public has now cried UNCLE!

http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/index.php/archives/2013/05/01/stones-tickets/

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 03:46 PM
Nice post ooogie. I'm not a Bob Lefsetz fan but that was great perspective on it all.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 04:51 PM
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I guess I'd question the "This Time" part of the OP's original question. They got that ball rolling not long after Steel Wheels tour, which was almost 25 years ago. But yes, too far this time again.



My exact thought also. This time?

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 05:00 PM
Thanks Ooogie!

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 05:05 PM
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But this time around, prices are so damn high the public is balking, which surprises even me


Me as well. But we can still hope the scalpers and brokers take the worst baths in their careers.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 05:25 PM
I saw the Steel Wheels tour for free, and I wouldn't go see them again for free, much less at those prices. Others obviously see it differently, but the Stones show I saw was just a band going through the motions for a paycheck. At least, that is how it seemed to me. I was more impressed with Living Colour, the opening band that night.

Mick Jagger's stage persona has always annoyed me, and with the possible exception of Charlie Watts, nobody in the band is anything special as a musician. They have written some great songs, but I just don't buy the hype that they are a great live band. Maybe once upon a time they were, but not in the past 20 years.

Oh, and Lefsetz is such a douchebag that I can't believe people actually sign up for his newsletter and voluntarily read his writing, even if he is right on this particular subject.

 
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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 06:08 PM
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They get paid whether fans show up or not. I like the Stones but is the current version worth seeing if you have never seen them before?
imo it's worth seeing them once. I wouldn't pay more than $100. That said, I have no desire to see that again

It's encouraging to know that the public has finally wised up

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 06:27 PM
been there done that. and thats way too much dough!
 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 06:32 PM
Ticket prices have been taken too far for a very long time now. Started with the Eagles and Stones and has worked it's way throughout most bands. I go to a lot less shows because of it. The thing I find most comical about it is that the Stones are only a small fraction of what they once were and that is with adding about a half dozen or so musicians to make them sound even decent. Personally I wouldn't pay a dime to see these over the hill dinasours. I saw them when they were still good for $96.00 which was a ripoff even then and said I would never pay that kind of price for a stadium or arena show ever again and I never have and never will!!! Let the rich suckers go to the geriatric tour and throw their green backs away.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 08:00 PM
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Yes .. considering they haven't put out a good album since 1976 (Black and Blue) IMO.


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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 08:50 PM
I would be pissed if I had paid $600 for tickets and then two weeks later they were dumping them for $85. That would suck.

 

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  posted on 5/3/2013 at 09:34 PM
I agree kinda like buying gold.

 

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