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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 09:35 AM
Just another day in America. Guns for everyone! 5 killed. Lets just keep burying our heads in the sand and pretend we don't have a problem. The US either has a gun problem, or a psycho problem. Either way, we have a serious problem, and it's sad that nobody is doing anything about it. At this point, I don't know who is worse, the mad men doing the killing, or the American people for enabling and looking the other way.
 
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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 09:50 AM
It's awful -- a combination of the depraved human condition & the availability of guns

Just my .02 worth -- IMO gun control measures will never contain this stuff -- as long as guns are around & people can get them, there's little that can be done IMO to keep a person bent on commiting an act like this, from getting them & carrying out that act --

in all respect, I don't think the American people are enabling or looking the other way -- if it's one or the other IMO it's a psycho problem, not a gun problem --
hopefully the victims weren't innocent bystanders that had nothing to do with it...

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 11:44 AM
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Guns for everyone!


Keep jerking your knees and all problems will be solved.

I would bet that all the guns used in the shootings were 1. obtained legally and 2. possessed by persons who were authorized to be carrying them.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 12:00 PM
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Guns for everyone!

Keep jerking your knees and all problems will be solved.

I would bet that all the guns used in the shootings were 1. obtained legally and 2. possessed by persons who were authorized to be carrying them.

Come on Alan; don't you know that all the problems would be solved if we just confiscate the weapons?

The rationale will always be: "well, those five people might have been beat up, but they wouldn't be dead if there was no gun!"

By that logic, we should ban almost every human activity where anyone participating has ever died.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 12:10 PM
Alan woods, you just proved my point. If it was obtained legally, then our screening system is seriously flawed. Why don't Americans have to go through the same rigorous mental exams as aspiring police officers? Fujrich, can you answer this as well instead of the weak line that my solution is to confiscate all guns?
 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 01:54 PM
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By that logic, we should ban almost every human activity where anyone participating has ever died.


To take this further, aren't you dismissing the whole idea of laws to begin with?

Murder is illegal, people still kill.
Stealing is illegal, people still steal.
Speeding is illegal, people still speed.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 02:10 PM
There are far too many pressure cookers in the hands of people in America. Most were obtained legally.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 02:18 PM
Total gun control is a fantasy, always will be. Right now someone can be on the Terror Watch List and buy a gun.
 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 02:22 PM
Mama, stick my guns in the ground/I cant shoot them anymore.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 02:26 PM
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Total gun control is a fantasy, always will be. Right now someone can be on the Terror Watch List and buy a gun.


One way or another, yes.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 04:03 PM
We need a five day waiting period on "Pressure Cookers" too.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:18 PM
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We need a five day waiting period on "Pressure Cookers" too.


And serial numbers on them.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:23 PM
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Just another day in America. Guns for everyone! 5 killed. Lets just keep burying our heads in the sand and pretend we don't have a problem. The US either has a gun problem, or a psycho problem. Either way, we have a serious problem, and it's sad that nobody is doing anything about it. At this point, I don't know who is worse, the mad men doing the killing, or the American people for enabling and looking the other way.


Would you prefer that all the licensed gun owners give up their firearms and the nation be disarmed according to the records? That could happen, the problem is the crooks don't bother trying to get a gun legally, they just go and buy them off the street, and there will always be guns that are smuggled into every country. Prohibition didn't work, outlawing won't work either. As long as people want them, someone will suppy that need.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:26 PM
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There are far too many pressure cookers in the hands of people in America. Most were obtained legally.


I agree with the pressure cooker ban because they can kill people even when just used in the kitchen for cooking. I also think those deep turkey fryers should be outlawed. A lot of them catch fire. They are dangerous. There are other ways to cook food, nothing beats a good ole barbecue with charcoal, and don't tell me about those overzealous a-holes using too much lighter fluid. Pass local ordinances that only the grill meisters may start a fire, and they should have to attend a BBQ safety course with a refresher every three years.

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:32 PM

I'm speechless. What the F**k is wrong with this World?


 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:44 PM
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We need a five day waiting period on "Pressure Cookers" too.


And serial numbers on them.


And all retail outlets, cookware shows, infomercials (yes, that means you Mr. Ronco), internet sites and private individuals who sell pressure cookers, should be required to preform background checks on all people who buy said pressure cookers. We can have the FDA oversee it all.


[Edited on 4/24/2013 by er1016]

 

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  posted on 4/24/2013 at 05:52 PM
it is apathy, exhaustion, and distraction. People are bombarded with massive electronic input, those EMF waves change the energy fields. The media keeps creating violence and war movies, television shows and homicide ideology. People have lost the ability to actually change anything, so they stop trying. If they try to have a protest march they are met with sound cannons, water hoses and possibly swat teams that will shoot them. No respect for people's rights to voice their opinions. No rights at all courtesy of the Patriot Act. The economy sucks, the money is shrinking, people have to work harder and longer just to survive, so they seek solace and distraction from the misery of it all.

Yes the world has changed. The ticket prices for sports games is too high, people are shut out. Even going to the movies will cost you more than $30 up here (for two), and you better eat before you go because the snacks are not affordable. Gas is too expensive, people cannot even afford to drive around.

We are on the precipice of the crash of the dollar as the nations reserve currency, life will forever change as we know it. Global warming, rising sea levels threaten many coastal cities. Sandy victims up here were given three months worth of mortgage payments or $2500 if they were renters from FEMA and that was supposed to sustain them, the houses still sit waiting for the banks to fork over the loan money for repair because the banks are greedy and desperate and want to improve their own bottom line.

There have always been hard times in this country, but everybody knew somehow they would muddle thru and things would improve. Well this time, it may not happen in the way that will include everyone in the recovery. There is no solution other than putting the jobless, dispossesed in FEMA camps and exterminating them thru flu, plagues.

Yes the world has changed, there was a time where that would not even be considered, but these days, the plans and the facilites are already in place, from the helpful hands of Halliburton.

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  posted on 4/25/2013 at 11:04 AM
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I'm speechless. What the F**k is wrong with this World?




I think gina was being facetious about the pressure cookers and turkey fryers. This time.

 

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I think gina was being facetious about the pressure cookers and turkey fryers. This time.


One year my father-in-law put a still half-frozen turkey in the fryer he had going on his patio.

For an old guy, he sure did move fast.

 

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Just another day in America. Guns for everyone! 5 killed. Lets just keep burying our heads in the sand and pretend we don't have a problem. The US either has a gun problem, or a psycho problem. Either way, we have a serious problem, and it's sad that nobody is doing anything about it. At this point, I don't know who is worse, the mad men doing the killing, or the American people for enabling and looking the other way.


I think you are sincere and you care about people but you need to get unstuck from this gun sickness you have here have a look.....

In 2009, according to the United Nations Office on Drugs and Crime, 66.9% of all homicides in the United States were perpetrated using a firearm.[5] There were 52,447 deliberate and 23,237 accidental non-fatal gunshot injuries in the United States during the year 2000.[6] Two-thirds of all gun-related deaths in the United States are suicides. In 2010, there were 19,392 firearm-related suicide deaths, and 11,078 firearm-related homicide deaths in the United States.[7]

Each year about 443,000 people in the United States die from illnesses related to Smoking, cigarettes kills more Americans than alcohol, car accidents, suicide, guns and AIDS, ... Smoking is a major cause of many other deadly health problems.

So you are 7n times more likely to be killed by the idiot next to you smoking a cig so lets get after the tobacco industry and save a lot more folks.... how about it or do you want me to dig up the alcohol stats too?

[Edited on 4/25/2013 by Rydethwind]

 

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  posted on 4/25/2013 at 04:51 PM
As I've mentioned before, I don't want to ban guns. I think the smart thing to do would be to have Americans go through a rigorous mental exam every 4 years, just like a drivers license, to own a gun - the same tests that police departments use on their recruits to see if they are mentally fit to be a cop. If we have to renew a license to drive, why not do the same to own a gun? It's a fair compromise that could detect a persons current mental stability.

Furthermore, as a fascist, I think cigarettes should definitely be strictly regulated by the government, as well as all drugs, so we can collect tax revenue and eliminate violent cartels - lets make billions in tax revenue to build infrastructure, rather than spend billions of tax dollars on the so-called "war on drugs". And cigarette use has moved in the right direction, and rightfully banned in most public places, so I think we already have gone after that pretty effectively.

 

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  posted on 4/25/2013 at 05:13 PM
443,000 people died by smokes do you care about lives or just lives lost by guns? and if I understand you it would be ok for those 443,000 to die from smokes if we tax it good enough? wow really? my point if I did not make it well enough is there are bigger fish to fry than guns yet you like most people seem to shrug off the other cause of death in this country, like prescription drugs and their abuse, including theft and resale to young kids or the fact that doctors just prescribe something to effect the symptoms not the cause... Alcohol and all it's ugly side effects like drunk driving, how about the number of people in this country that go to bed at night hungry and sick with no way to get help, or the fact that suicide by teenagers on our Indian reservations is at over 50%, truth is Boyton guns are about the last cause i would take if I wanted to save lives!

P.s. here is the math 435,000 thousand people die each year in the United States, then divided by 365 = 1,178 - 1,192 die each day from smoking in the US alone. so how important are the guns now?

[Edited on 4/25/2013 by Rydethwind]

 

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  posted on 4/25/2013 at 06:07 PM
Can we not be childish, stupid with the stupid and not funny jokes on this subject about outlawing ice picks, pens, crock pots, etc.

Guns are here to stay.
Be they are bought illegally or illegally. Guns are here to stay where they are bought legally or stolen.
Obama and the Democrats are not wanting to, cannot , and will not outlaw guns.

All gun owners agree that the proper paper work, waitng period and good, complete background check be done.

That is all that can be done.
In our country we LOVE LOVE to divide and conquer. We love to dumb things down and most people cannot handle the truth and so our lawmakers, militant groups like NRA, just spoon feed to the masses nonsense and dumb down truths and divide and conquer.

Giun control, meaning a complete background check , is back in thenews because of he Sandy Hook school shooting.
Truth be told , she was the owner of all those guns bought legally. Thing is, main thing is for many people, you DO NOT NEED a gun!!!!! Some of us do and some of us don't.
It is an individual who has to make that call but many times they make the wrong call.
This woman had taught her spoiled son how to shoot when he was a young child. Her son had issues in his development but he was NOT crazy or mentally ill. Saying people are crazy when they are not is the latest excuse for these things. She belonged to the NRA.
She would uphold that boy in everything. Her husband divorced her and other son left her . Neither one of them never reported her for having guns and never told her that she did not need them or took the guns.
She did not need a gun. She was not in a bad neighborhood or even a crime town or had a job where she had late hours and had to drive through the main city or anything.

We need to encourage people this way to examine themselves and families, homes to control who has a gun so to speak.
That is about the best thing we can do.

This is like cars. Not everyone needs a high powered car. Some dogs are good breeds for some people and some are not for some people.

Guns are here to stay.
Question is how do we make gun safety an issue , responsible gun owners, extenisve background checks, no easy sale of guns via on line, mail, and things like that.


 

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  posted on 4/25/2013 at 06:44 PM
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443,000 people died by smokes do you care about lives or just lives lost by guns? and if I understand you it would be ok for those 443,000 to die from smokes if we tax it good enough? wow really? my point if I did not make it well enough is there are bigger fish to fry than guns yet you like most people seem to shrug off the other cause of death in this country, like prescription drugs and their abuse, including theft and resale to young kids or the fact that doctors just prescribe something to effect the symptoms not the cause...


You are failing to see a major difference (which doesn't surprise me). Cigarettes are banned in public places so that smokers don't kill other people. If 443,000 smokers want to kill themselves by smoking, let them be morons. The obvious difference, is that guns are used to kill OTHER people who don't want to die, i.e. the 5 people in IL, the kids in Newtown, CT, and the list goes on. The 443,000 people you are referring to, are smokers who choose to smoke, and only kill themselves - hence the ban of smoking in public place - to prevent them from killing others. That's quite an X-factor you left out.

Furthermore, who says I'm shrugging off the other causes of death? You have no idea what my point of view is on other causes of death. You know why? Because there aren't any threads created to discuss those particular topics. Go ahead and create a thread on those other issues, and you'll hear my views on them. This thread is about gun control, which explains my reason for only talking about gun control.

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Alcohol and all it's ugly side effects like drunk driving,


which is why it's illegal, genius.

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how about the number of people in this country that go to bed at night hungry and sick with no way to get help,


My socialist views on giving more to the poor are clearly noted on this site. If there was a way to enforce a license to have children, I'd be the first person in line to vote for it.


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or the fact that suicide by teenagers on our Indian reservations is at over 50%, truth is Boyton guns are about the last cause i would take if I wanted to save lives

P.s. here is the math 435,000 thousand people die each year in the United States, then divided by 365 = 1,178 - 1,192 die each day from smoking in the US alone. so how important are the guns now?


That's some interesting math. So more people die from cigarettes each day (1,192), than the grand total of people who die each day in the US (1,178)? Should I point out that your math is illogical and impossible?

And see point #1 about the smokers....they are killing themselves voluntarily. Quite a difference.

 
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